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Quote from: JSRAW on August 13, 2022, 01:18:06 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 12, 2022, 08:54:38 PM

I am afraid that there will be an oversaturation of franchise cricket very soon. Duirng the early days, it was just the IPL, BBL, PSL, CPL, T20 Blast and the smaller BPL from Bangladesh. But now there are additional leagues from Sri Lanka, South Africa, UAE and a number of other countries. New leagues doesn't mean new viewers. The number of fans will remain the same. The new leagues may however poach viewers from other established leagues. And given the huge amount of money being splurged by new leagues such as ILT20 and CSA T20 League, it is very much possible.

Especially IPL backed ILT20 is spending money like water. If i'm not wrong then they are offering like $500k to many players for just 20 days of work, not sure about tournament length tho. It's very impressive amount considering many players don't earn this kind of money from their yearly contract.

The interesting thing about ILT20 is that in each team there are going to be 14 overseas players, since the UAE doesn't have quality native players. And for the first time, players from associate nations are given a guaranteed slot. Out of the 14 overseas players, two needs to be from associate nations. That works out to a total of 84 overseas players between the six teams. This is more than the total of 80 overseas players spread across the 10 IPL franchises. For the non-Indian players, ILT20 can be hugely important.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on August 13, 2022, 09:34:35 AM

If any league is offering a really lucrative amount of salary obviously players are more likely to look forward to playing in those leagues instead of where they are not getting paid very well. And this is happening in the UAE.

Most of the players of their own team are not citizens of the country. So in the long term, this is not going to end well for cricket. But that is obviously also not going to be effective for the smaller teams. Imagine two cricket worlds arranging T20 tournaments at the same time and one is offering a really good amount of salary compared to the other. Where do you think the players would want to play?

Right now, no one caring about cricket because they have good profit from these franchise cricket into their deep pockets, so they are enjoying, but surely it's never been ideal situation and if we have some good success in Dubai T20 league then it's going to be disaster for cricket and many small boards because they could be ended with lost their quality players for this big amount and have results like West Indies which is most suffered country with their geography situation as well.

Countries like Sri Lanka and Afghanistan can suffer badly even some concerns can also rise in few other countries as well as Pakistan, Bangladesh and South Africa so better they sit and talk about this early hopefully they can end with positive side.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 12, 2022, 03:12:40 PM

At the same time majority of the boards are in no position to sustain test format as it's loss making affair for most of them but considering romanticization towards test cricket, if you give them a choice then everyone would opt for test cricket.

Maybe, maybe not. The choice is upto the players who are preferring shorter formats over the longer formats these days as you mentioned which is what I would do if I were in their position.

Quote from: laurenB7742 on August 13, 2022, 09:34:35 AM

Imagine two cricket worlds arranging T20 tournaments at the same time and one is offering a really good amount of salary compared to the other. Where do you think the players would want to play?

It's all about the money in any sport(Not just Cricket) and it's good for Cricket if they choose wherever they want to play since they can perform freely without any constraints.

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With some players this is the reality. Many others are much interested into franchise cricket and that too reason for players to get retired earlier. If we take count of the franchise cricket, it goes on. The latest being the franchise cricket by South Africa and UAE.

Everyone wants to ্give the priority their own interests. A player earns much more in franchise cricket than what he earns in international games. As we talk about IPL where a foreign player gets money I think this money is not possible in any other league or international match. As a result, a cricketer wants to retire early from T20, especially international match.

Few points are right that every one wants to go with his own interests, but all players can't go into IPL because in last few years we are checking there are going with significant quality and trying very few foreign players with most of the players are coming from India even now they are increasing teams but still this is beneficial for local cricketers instead of international with this no quality players will try to take retirement from international cricket for just IPL as there is no good chance he could be in this league.

But, as we are having new leagues then surely it's going to be trouble specially now as we have league in Dubai where 9 foreign allowed and owners are also offering lucrative salaries as well here things can create problems for many small boards.

If any league is offering a really lucrative amount of salary obviously players are more likely to look forward to playing in those leagues instead of where they are not getting paid very well. And this is happening in the UAE.

Most of the players of their own team are not citizens of the country. So in the long term, this is not going to end well for cricket. But that is obviously also not going to be effective for the smaller teams. Imagine two cricket worlds arranging T20 tournaments at the same time and one is offering a really good amount of salary compared to the other. Where do you think the players would want to play?

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Quote from: GigaBit on August 12, 2022, 09:57:35 PM

Quote from: n0ne on August 12, 2022, 05:58:50 PM

With some players this is the reality. Many others are much interested into franchise cricket and that too reason for players to get retired earlier. If we take count of the franchise cricket, it goes on. The latest being the franchise cricket by South Africa and UAE.

Everyone wants to ্give the priority their own interests. A player earns much more in franchise cricket than what he earns in international games. As we talk about IPL where a foreign player gets money I think this money is not possible in any other league or international match. As a result, a cricketer wants to retire early from T20, especially international match.

Few points are right that every one wants to go with his own interests, but all players can't go into IPL because in last few years we are checking there are going with significant quality and trying very few foreign players with most of the players are coming from India even now they are increasing teams but still this is beneficial for local cricketers instead of international with this no quality players will try to take retirement from international cricket for just IPL as there is no good chance he could be in this league.

But, as we are having new leagues then surely it's going to be trouble specially now as we have league in Dubai where 9 foreign allowed and owners are also offering lucrative salaries as well here things can create problems for many small boards.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 12, 2022, 08:54:38 PM

I am afraid that there will be an oversaturation of franchise cricket very soon. Duirng the early days, it was just the IPL, BBL, PSL, CPL, T20 Blast and the smaller BPL from Bangladesh. But now there are additional leagues from Sri Lanka, South Africa, UAE and a number of other countries. New leagues doesn't mean new viewers. The number of fans will remain the same. The new leagues may however poach viewers from other established leagues. And given the huge amount of money being splurged by new leagues such as ILT20 and CSA T20 League, it is very much possible.

Especially IPL backed ILT20 is spending money like water. If i'm not wrong then they are offering like $500k to many players for just 20 days of work, not sure about tournament length tho. It's very impressive amount considering many players don't earn this kind of money from their yearly contract.

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Quote from: n0ne on August 12, 2022, 05:58:50 PM

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Quote from: wiss19 on August 11, 2022, 03:58:22 PM

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

The ICC and the other boards don't really care about preserving the traditional formats. They care about money more than ever thanks to the economic turmoil around the world currently.

Many players are retiring early from tests and ODIs too in order to focus on the T-20 format which makes sense if you think about it.

Early retirement is new reality. Recent wave of retirement started with De kock when he retired from Tests. In current environment where schedule is so tight, players can't play all 3 formats so leaving 1-2 format is right call depending on their choice.

With some players this is the reality. Many others are much interested into franchise cricket and that too reason for players to get retired earlier. If we take count of the franchise cricket, it goes on. The latest being the franchise cricket by South Africa and UAE.

Everyone wants to ্give the priority their own interests. A player earns much more in franchise cricket than what he earns in international games. As we talk about IPL where a foreign player gets money I think this money is not possible in any other league or international match. As a result, a cricketer wants to retire early from T20, especially international match.

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Quote from: n0ne on August 12, 2022, 05:58:50 PM

With some players this is the reality. Many others are much interested into franchise cricket and that too reason for players to get retired earlier. If we take count of the franchise cricket, it goes on. The latest being the franchise cricket by South Africa and UAE.

I am afraid that there will be an oversaturation of franchise cricket very soon. Duirng the early days, it was just the IPL, BBL, PSL, CPL, T20 Blast and the smaller BPL from Bangladesh. But now there are additional leagues from Sri Lanka, South Africa, UAE and a number of other countries. New leagues doesn't mean new viewers. The number of fans will remain the same. The new leagues may however poach viewers from other established leagues. And given the huge amount of money being splurged by new leagues such as ILT20 and CSA T20 League, it is very much possible.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 12, 2022, 03:12:40 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on August 12, 2022, 02:02:04 PM

Quote from: wiss19 on August 11, 2022, 03:58:22 PM

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

The ICC and the other boards don't really care about preserving the traditional formats. They care about money more than ever thanks to the economic turmoil around the world currently.

Many players are retiring early from tests and ODIs too in order to focus on the T-20 format which makes sense if you think about it.

Early retirement is new reality. Recent wave of retirement started with De kock when he retired from Tests. In current environment where schedule is so tight, players can't play all 3 formats so leaving 1-2 format is right call depending on their choice.

With some players this is the reality. Many others are much interested into franchise cricket and that too reason for players to get retired earlier. If we take count of the franchise cricket, it goes on. The latest being the franchise cricket by South Africa and UAE.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 12, 2022, 02:02:04 PM

Quote from: wiss19 on August 11, 2022, 03:58:22 PM

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

The ICC and the other boards don't really care about preserving the traditional formats. They care about money more than ever thanks to the economic turmoil around the world currently.

Many players are retiring early from tests and ODIs too in order to focus on the T-20 format which makes sense if you think about it.

Don't make any mistake of mixing White ball bilateral and Test bilateral all together as traditional format. This is reserved for Test bilateral only and the former is useless in modern setting.

At the same time majority of the boards are in no position to sustain test format as it's loss making affair for most of them but considering romanticization towards test cricket, if you give them a choice then everyone would opt for test cricket.

Early retirement is new reality. Recent wave of retirement started with De kock when he retired from Tests. In current environment where schedule is so tight, players can't play all 3 formats so leaving 1-2 format is right call depending on their choice.

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Quote from: wiss19 on August 11, 2022, 03:58:22 PM

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

The ICC and the other boards don't really care about preserving the traditional formats. They care about money more than ever thanks to the economic turmoil around the world currently.

Many players are retiring early from tests and ODIs too in order to focus on the T-20 format which makes sense if you think about it.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 11, 2022, 08:57:07 PM

Quote from: wiss19 on August 11, 2022, 03:58:22 PM

Right now, as things are progressing most chances ODI will die soon but test cricket is going to survive for some time or even take more time than I am expecting because just because of this T-20 now test cricket is also in good shape and mostly test matches are going to end in four days which is good signal for all but in quality we have to do some things which are very important, but ICC is never been interested to bring any positive change because they are having no mind just money in pocket is enough for them.
For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

To be honest, I don't see much future for bilateral cricket. It is a big cash cow for the pig-4 boards and that is the reason why they are sustaining it. The way for cricket to move forward is to play more multi-nation (triangular, quadrangular or even pentangular) series, along with T20 franchise cricket. Test cricket may get restricted to the pig-4, and I don't see much significance for this format among the smaller test nations. It consumes a lot of time, and the players are nowadays not interested in it.

@wiss19 The problem is that the cricket boards are still thinking about the traditional way of playing cricket. And honestly, the time is over. The supporters have already got the taste of league cricket. And I believe it is not going to change. The public will demand tournaments such as the IPL, BPL, BBL, PCL, etc.

@Sithara007 For the survival of cricket, it is also paramount to keep those supporters interested as it is critical to bring in new supporters. In light of this, I believe the International Cricket Council will have to move cricket to the franchisee side from the international side.

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Quote from: KennyR on August 12, 2022, 06:36:51 AM

Within few weeks time the Asia Cup cricket is gonna start. Every Asian team are now focused on it. Few teams have got opportunity to play and continue with the Asia Cup. Some are directly playing Asia Cup. It is time to share some statistics and historical records made in the past on Asia Cup. The chance of win is with India and the highest runs scorers for India on Asia Cup are as follows.

Sachin Tendulkar - 971 runs
Rohit Sharma - 883 runs
Virat Kohli - 766 runs
M S Dhoni - 690 runs
Shikhar Dhawan - 613 runs

Interesting to see Shikhar Dhawan at #5. He is not included in the Indian squad for Asia cup. When Asia Cup was held for the last time (in 2018), Dhawan was the top scorer in the tournament with 342 runs. Rohit Sharma is at #2, and he will be captaining the squad. On third spot we have Virat Kohli, but he is out of form. All that said, I am not sure how useful are these statistics. Because the previous editions of Asia Cup was played in ODI format, and we will be moving to T20 format from this edition onwards.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 11, 2022, 08:57:07 PM

To be honest, I don't see much future for bilateral cricket. It is a big cash cow for the pig-4 boards and that is the reason why they are sustaining it. The way for cricket to move forward is to play more multi-nation (triangular, quadrangular or even pentangular) series, along with T20 franchise cricket. Test cricket may get restricted to the pig-4, and I don't see much significance for this format among the smaller test nations. It consumes a lot of time, and the players are nowadays not interested in it.

If we have no positive things about bilateral cricket then surely we are going to be in like soccer where mostly players will involve in franchise cricket, and they have to play for their national teams in T-20 World cup and test and ODI both are going into deep trouble just top 5 or 6 teams capable of having good results in test matches other mostly going in just T-20 or things like Hundred because these can bring good finances for them, and also they can manage them easily which is good for many small boards as well.

Even as things are going mostly IPL based teams will rule this all but still all boards will not allow them to take over, and they will encourage local investors as well which will bring good healthy competition for all leagues with this hopefully we will have competitions like UEFA in this game as well.

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Within few weeks time the Asia Cup cricket is gonna start. Every Asian team are now focused on it. Few teams have got opportunity to play and continue with the Asia Cup. Some are directly playing Asia Cup. It is time to share some statistics and historical records made in the past on Asia Cup. The chance of win is with India and the highest runs scorers for India on Asia Cup are as follows.

Sachin Tendulkar - 971 runs
Rohit Sharma - 883 runs
Virat Kohli - 766 runs
M S Dhoni - 690 runs
Shikhar Dhawan - 613 runs

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Quote from: wiss19 on August 11, 2022, 03:58:22 PM

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on August 11, 2022, 09:48:24 AM

So cricket is gradually dying and the only thing that might be able to save it is the shorter formats like T20 and T10.

I wouldn't say Cricket is dying. Instead, I would say that the test and ODI formats are dying and gradually getting replaced by the T-20 and T-10(Possibly) formats currently.

Right now, as things are progressing most chances ODI will die soon but test cricket is going to survive for some time or even take more time than I am expecting because just because of this T-20 now test cricket is also in good shape and mostly test matches are going to end in four days which is good signal for all but in quality we have to do some things which are very important, but ICC is never been interested to bring any positive change because they are having no mind just money in pocket is enough for them.

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

Everything changes with time. Also the new generation people are always restless. They don't like anything long. As everything depends on the popularity, a big change has to be made in cricket. We are seeing lately that people are showing a strong desire to watch T20 and even shorter form T10. I think there may be three formats of cricket but the most popular will be the short form of cricket like T20 or T10.

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Quote from: wiss19 on August 11, 2022, 03:58:22 PM

Right now, as things are progressing most chances ODI will die soon but test cricket is going to survive for some time or even take more time than I am expecting because just because of this T-20 now test cricket is also in good shape and mostly test matches are going to end in four days which is good signal for all but in quality we have to do some things which are very important, but ICC is never been interested to bring any positive change because they are having no mind just money in pocket is enough for them.

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

To be honest, I don't see much future for bilateral cricket. It is a big cash cow for the pig-4 boards and that is the reason why they are sustaining it. The way for cricket to move forward is to play more multi-nation (triangular, quadrangular or even pentangular) series, along with T20 franchise cricket. Test cricket may get restricted to the pig-4, and I don't see much significance for this format among the smaller test nations. It consumes a lot of time, and the players are nowadays not interested in it.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on August 11, 2022, 09:48:24 AM

So cricket is gradually dying and the only thing that might be able to save it is the shorter formats like T20 and T10.

I wouldn't say Cricket is dying. Instead, I would say that the test and ODI formats are dying and gradually getting replaced by the T-20 and T-10(Possibly) formats currently.

Right now, as things are progressing most chances ODI will die soon but test cricket is going to survive for some time or even take more time than I am expecting because just because of this T-20 now test cricket is also in good shape and mostly test matches are going to end in four days which is good signal for all but in quality we have to do some things which are very important, but ICC is never been interested to bring any positive change because they are having no mind just money in pocket is enough for them.

For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2022, 09:57:21 AM

Different yes but

ICC media rights are for 4 and 8 years package and every year 1 ICC tournament that's 8 ICC tournaments (not counting WTC finals). In previous cycle Gap between ICC and IPL revenue was more than 2x in favor of IPL.

This time IPL surpassed last auction significantly so ICC also aspire to increase their purse from the country which produce 70% of their revenue. Yes there is always some sort of possibility of repeating 2007 scenario but that's just shot in the dark most of the time when these tender comes up.

Back in 2007, they had 16 teams divided in to 4 groups each. Immediately after the tournament, they decided to reduce number of participants to 10, so that the scenario is not repeated. If they follow the 2023 format, then they will get a minimum of 9 matches from India. In 2027, there will be a total of 14 participants, and India will get a minimum of 6 matches (and most probably more than that if they qualify for the next phase). The issue is with T20 world cup, where the group size is small and there is a real chance that top teams can fail to qualify for the next phase.

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Quote from: BobK71 on August 10, 2022, 01:42:37 PM

Therefore, in the larger interest of cricket, ICC should take new steps.

The ICC only cares about money(Short-term or Long-term) which is why they wouldn't think twice before discarding weak teams aside. Cricket is simply a mode of income for them. It's as simple as that.

Quote from: Smack That Ace on August 11, 2022, 09:48:24 AM

So cricket is gradually dying and the only thing that might be able to save it is the shorter formats like T20 and T10.

I wouldn't say Cricket is dying. Instead, I would say that the test and ODI formats are dying and gradually getting replaced by the T-20 and T-10(Possibly) formats currently.

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