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Quote from: JSRAW on August 06, 2022, 09:22:02 AM

Their new league is coming up so it would be interesting to see if they keep following same policy, considering IPL owners owns all the teams.

This is a very sensitive topic in South Africa. From what I heard, CSA has assured the franchise owners that there will be no quota based on skin color or race. But there is no confirmation. The officials from the ruling party (ANC) are going to put a lot of pressure to implement the quota for this league as well. But the franchise owners will be unhappy if that happens. And a lot of overseas players may refuse to play, on ethical grounds. Quality players will be included in the playing XI irrespective of their skin color. It will be good if CSA stop pushing low quality players for selection, just because they have another shade of skin.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 05, 2022, 01:55:37 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 05, 2022, 01:45:01 PM

Quota system is blot to modern society in any freaking form.
Financial deprived section quota i can understand but not on historical based even after 100 and 1000's of years.
Point is majority of black community in south africa is not interested in cricket at all. They target for other sports, mainly in football and Rugby and also there is racism history hence quota system due to so called diversity and inclusiveness. In doing so extremely talented white players sit out all the time.

Couldn't put it any better than this. Politics of any type should be separated from sports. Quota in sports teams is unheard of anywhere else in the world. If there are enough coaching academies and more importantly interest among the black population in cricket, then automatically black players will get included in the playing XI. Rather than making sure these steps, the CSA is going for short cut by implementing quota based on race and color in the national and state level cricket teams.

Yes, Black people are trying to take advantage of it. Those who have connections are trying to put their relatives or people who are close to them in the playing 11 of the South African National team. If they put a quota system in place, the South African cricket board probably assumed Black people would be interested automatically. But that is never going to happen.

Instead, we will have people who will try to take advantage of the system. And a big reason why Black people are not interested in cricket is that the majority of the black community in Africa has to do really strenuous work to put food on the table. Under those circumstances, it is difficult to imagine playing cricket, which is a game that costs a lot of money.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 05, 2022, 01:45:30 PM

Quote from: Marvell1 on August 05, 2022, 10:33:37 AM

I am not suggesting that Rabada is a bad player. I am just saying that he is not quite a legend in my opinion. I believe he is still a long way away from that.

Understandable. I know that many people don't feel that he isn't legend material yet, but I feel that way because he has proved himself as a game-changing player on many, many occasions for various teams.

He's already a big name in red ball cricket. The reason he went under radar in recent time because he didn't play much red ball cricket due to injuries here n there, also during covid they hardly played any matches. During same period of time Ind-Eng-Aus played like million tests in comparison to Proteas.

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Couldn't put it any better than this. Politics of any type should be separated from sports. Quota in sports teams is unheard of anywhere else in the world. If there are enough coaching academies and more importantly interest among the black population in cricket, then automatically black players will get included in the playing XI. Rather than making sure these steps, the CSA is going for short cut by implementing quota based on race and color in the national and state level cricket teams.

Their new league is coming up so it would be interesting to see if they keep following same policy, considering IPL owners owns all the teams.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 05, 2022, 01:45:01 PM

Quota system is blot to modern society in any freaking form.

Financial deprived section quota i can understand but not on historical based even after 100 and 1000's of years.

Point is majority of black community in south africa is not interested in cricket at all. They target for other sports, mainly in football and Rugby and also there is racism history hence quota system due to so called diversity and inclusiveness. In doing so extremely talented white players sit out all the time.

Couldn't put it any better than this. Politics of any type should be separated from sports. Quota in sports teams is unheard of anywhere else in the world. If there are enough coaching academies and more importantly interest among the black population in cricket, then automatically black players will get included in the playing XI. Rather than making sure these steps, the CSA is going for short cut by implementing quota based on race and color in the national and state level cricket teams.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on August 05, 2022, 10:33:37 AM

I am not suggesting that Rabada is a bad player. I am just saying that he is not quite a legend in my opinion. I believe he is still a long way away from that.

Understandable. I know that many people don't feel that he isn't legend material yet, but I feel that way because he has proved himself as a game-changing player on many, many occasions for various teams.

Quote from: Marvell1 on August 05, 2022, 10:33:37 AM

And if we talk about racism, there is no cure to that unless people become educated and think of everyone as the same. People have to understand that black people are also human. Moreover, they have the same rights as white people.

Actually, many educated people themselves are extremely racist, sexist etc. This problem will never go away, but it is decreasing with time around the world which is a good sign.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on August 05, 2022, 01:18:19 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 05, 2022, 12:16:59 PM

What is the point in giving racial quota in sports teams? A lot of promising white players never got a chance to play international cricket because of this system.

What do you mean that white players could not play in the South African team because of the quota system? There have been white players playing in the South African team for quite a long time ago.

I agree that the quota system is not flawless. Actually, it is not even good. But that never deprived white people of their rights. And how did white people suddenly become victims of this system?

Quota system is blot to modern society in any freaking form.

Financial deprived section quota i can understand but not on historical based even after 100 and 1000's of years.

Point is majority of black community in south africa is not interested in cricket at all. They target for other sports, mainly in football and Rugby and also there is racism history hence quota system due to so called diversity and inclusiveness. In doing so extremely talented white players sit out all the time.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 05, 2022, 12:16:59 PM

What is the point in giving racial quota in sports teams? A lot of promising white players never got a chance to play international cricket because of this system.

What do you mean that white players could not play in the South African team because of the quota system? There have been white players playing in the South African team for quite a long time ago.

I agree that the quota system is not flawless. Actually, it is not even good. But that never deprived white people of their rights. And how did white people suddenly become victims of this system?

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Quote from: Marvell1 on August 05, 2022, 10:33:37 AM

Kagiso Rabada has already proved a lot of things. He currently does not have anything to prove to anyone in my opinion. But I am not willing to say that he is a legend. """"Legend"""" is a term that is often used right now and that's why I think the word has lost its value. I am not suggesting that Rabada is a bad player. I am just saying that he is not quite a legend in my opinion. I believe he is still a long way away from that.

And if we talk about racism, there is no cure to that unless people become educated and think of everyone as the same. People have to understand that black people are also human. Moreover, they have the same rights as white people.

Kagiso Rabada is a good player, but not yet at the level of Steyn or Donald. And he is a perfect example of the quota system helping undeserving people. Rabada hails from a super-rich family, and his father is a well known doctor in South Africa. And yet, he played his first match under the racial quota. If they want to give quota, they can do that in education or the army. What is the point in giving racial quota in sports teams? A lot of promising white players never got a chance to play international cricket because of this system.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 04, 2022, 02:32:47 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 04, 2022, 08:48:55 AM

Rabada is nowhere near legends such as Alan Donald or Dale Steyn. And even if we consider him as one of the success stories of the quota system, for every success there are 10 unsuccessful experiments such as Bavuma and Pehlukwayo. I don't even want to mention dozens of promising players, who quit South Africa because they felt humiliated after being told that they couldn't be selected because of their skin color. What happened before 1994 is bad. But that shouldn't be used as a justification to discriminate against a racial group, especially those who born after 1994.

I feel that Rabada is already a legend even though you share a different opinion of him. He is one of the best bowlers in recent years and I like his temperament too. Comparing him to Donald, Steyn etc is unfair since they have a lot more experience in comparison.

Also, racism exists everywhere(Not just South Africa), but the current lineup still has a great mix of white and black players who have been performing consistently well these days.

Kagiso Rabada has already proved a lot of things. He currently does not have anything to prove to anyone in my opinion. But I am not willing to say that he is a legend. """"Legend"""" is a term that is often used right now and that's why I think the word has lost its value. I am not suggesting that Rabada is a bad player. I am just saying that he is not quite a legend in my opinion. I believe he is still a long way away from that.

And if we talk about racism, there is no cure to that unless people become educated and think of everyone as the same. People have to understand that black people are also human. Moreover, they have the same rights as white people.

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Quote from: Rigon on August 04, 2022, 01:06:09 PM

Quote from: Ayers on August 04, 2022, 11:56:41 AM

now this does feel like hope, a silver lining for cricket, but I am quite sure that India and as well as the other big teams are not going to take this very well, i think they won't accept participation
as far as I know, there was a cricket tournament at the Olympics before and India refused to perform, ICC seems to not be able to take a bold step on this issue just because the big four do not want it that way, but if cricket is included in the Olympics, it would be very positive for cricket and its popularity worldwide

I don't understand why cricket was left out of the Olympics again after cricket fought in the Olympics. Olympics is a place from which many good teams in football cricket and other sports make their name on the platform Currently if we look at cricket we can see that only few countries participate in this game of cricket If cricket is included in the Olympics again, the number of cricket teams will increase which will make the World Cup more enjoyable and cricket will regain its popularity

cricket was left out because it did not generate a significant amount of revenue, but I am quite sure that if cricket is continued in the Olympics and the cricket boards do not cause any problems, cricket is going to generate a lot more revenue, the popularity of cricket is also expected to grow

and obviously, the number of teams playing cricket right now is going to increase and that is exactly what the big 4 fear

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 04, 2022, 09:48:13 PM

Even when cricket was included in the Asian Games, the BCCI refused to send a team. This time also, I am not expecting anything different. And it is not just the BCCI. The other pig-4 boards (ECB, CA and CNZ) also have the same attitude. I don't have an issue if the BCCI once again refuse to send a team to the Olympics. But let cricket be played at LA 2028. Refusing to participate is one thing, and disagreeing to have cricket as one of the sports items is another. No one is forcing BCCI or ECB to participate. But let the smaller boards such as CSA, WICB or the KNCB participate in such tournaments.

cricket was first played in the Olympics in the year 1900 if i am not wrong, cricket is not part of the Olympics since the ICC has never submitted an application to the Olympics committee to include cricket

a big part of that is the big four, they do not want to lose their authority, they know very well that if cricket is included in the Olympics there will be a lot more teams playing cricket, it is very easy for them to lose their authority at that time

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 04, 2022, 09:48:13 PM

Quote from: Ayers on August 04, 2022, 11:56:41 AM

now this does feel like hope, a silver lining for cricket, but I am quite sure that India and as well as the other big teams are not going to take this very well, i think they won't accept participation

as far as I know, there was a cricket tournament at the Olympics before and India refused to perform, ICC seems to not be able to take a bold step on this issue just because the big four do not want it that way, but if cricket is included in the Olympics, it would be very positive for cricket and its popularity worldwide

Even when cricket was included in the Asian Games, the BCCI refused to send a team. This time also, I am not expecting anything different. And it is not just the BCCI. The other pig-4 boards (ECB, CA and CNZ) also have the same attitude. I don't have an issue if the BCCI once again refuse to send a team to the Olympics. But let cricket be played at LA 2028. Refusing to participate is one thing, and disagreeing to have cricket as one of the sports items is another. No one is forcing BCCI or ECB to participate. But let the smaller boards such as CSA, WICB or the KNCB participate in such tournaments.

The big 4 have the similar attitude. Another thing, taking it to Olympics might lead to the development of better teams and the control might go away them. Particularly these boards have begun to consider it a business. First of all the control from the ICC needs to be taken.

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Quote from: Ayers on August 04, 2022, 11:56:41 AM

now this does feel like hope, a silver lining for cricket, but I am quite sure that India and as well as the other big teams are not going to take this very well, i think they won't accept participation

as far as I know, there was a cricket tournament at the Olympics before and India refused to perform, ICC seems to not be able to take a bold step on this issue just because the big four do not want it that way, but if cricket is included in the Olympics, it would be very positive for cricket and its popularity worldwide

Even when cricket was included in the Asian Games, the BCCI refused to send a team. This time also, I am not expecting anything different. And it is not just the BCCI. The other pig-4 boards (ECB, CA and CNZ) also have the same attitude. I don't have an issue if the BCCI once again refuse to send a team to the Olympics. But let cricket be played at LA 2028. Refusing to participate is one thing, and disagreeing to have cricket as one of the sports items is another. No one is forcing BCCI or ECB to participate. But let the smaller boards such as CSA, WICB or the KNCB participate in such tournaments.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 04, 2022, 08:48:55 AM

Rabada is nowhere near legends such as Alan Donald or Dale Steyn. And even if we consider him as one of the success stories of the quota system, for every success there are 10 unsuccessful experiments such as Bavuma and Pehlukwayo. I don't even want to mention dozens of promising players, who quit South Africa because they felt humiliated after being told that they couldn't be selected because of their skin color. What happened before 1994 is bad. But that shouldn't be used as a justification to discriminate against a racial group, especially those who born after 1994.

I feel that Rabada is already a legend even though you share a different opinion of him. He is one of the best bowlers in recent years and I like his temperament too. Comparing him to Donald, Steyn etc is unfair since they have a lot more experience in comparison.

Also, racism exists everywhere(Not just South Africa), but the current lineup still has a great mix of white and black players who have been performing consistently well these days.

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Quote from: Ayers on August 04, 2022, 11:56:41 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 03, 2022, 09:20:53 PM

Some good news related to the 2028 LA Olympics. The IOC (International Olympic Committee) has shortlisted cricket as one of the 9 sports that will be reviewed for addition to the 2028 Games. A few months back, there was a lot of controversy, because the IOC had stated that the ICC hasn't made any application despite repeated reminders. ICC was claiming that they are trying hard for the Olympic inclusion, but they refused to submit the application on time. After the statement from the IOC, the ICC was forced to submit the application.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/cricket-shortlisted-for-review-by-the-olympic-committee-1327474

now this does feel like hope, a silver lining for cricket, but I am quite sure that India and as well as the other big teams are not going to take this very well, i think they won't accept participation

as far as I know, there was a cricket tournament at the Olympics before and India refused to perform, ICC seems to not be able to take a bold step on this issue just because the big four do not want it that way, but if cricket is included in the Olympics, it would be very positive for cricket and its popularity worldwide

I don't understand why cricket was left out of the Olympics again after cricket fought in the Olympics. Olympics is a place from which many good teams in football cricket and other sports make their name on the platform Currently if we look at cricket we can see that only few countries participate in this game of cricket If cricket is included in the Olympics again, the number of cricket teams will increase which will make the World Cup more enjoyable and cricket will regain its popularity

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 03, 2022, 09:20:53 PM

Some good news related to the 2028 LA Olympics. The IOC (International Olympic Committee) has shortlisted cricket as one of the 9 sports that will be reviewed for addition to the 2028 Games. A few months back, there was a lot of controversy, because the IOC had stated that the ICC hasn't made any application despite repeated reminders. ICC was claiming that they are trying hard for the Olympic inclusion, but they refused to submit the application on time. After the statement from the IOC, the ICC was forced to submit the application.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/cricket-shortlisted-for-review-by-the-olympic-committee-1327474

now this does feel like hope, a silver lining for cricket, but I am quite sure that India and as well as the other big teams are not going to take this very well, i think they won't accept participation

as far as I know, there was a cricket tournament at the Olympics before and India refused to perform, ICC seems to not be able to take a bold step on this issue just because the big four do not want it that way, but if cricket is included in the Olympics, it would be very positive for cricket and its popularity worldwide

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 04, 2022, 08:48:55 AM

Quote from: Haunebu on August 04, 2022, 12:13:04 AM

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Agreed. They have been accepting black players for a long time now and some of them have established themselves as legends in the world of Cricket.
Players like Rabada etc are some great examples. They just need a solid captain like Smith to guide them.

Rabada is nowhere near legends such as Alan Donald or Dale Steyn. And even if we consider him as one of the success stories of the quota system, for every success there are 10 unsuccessful experiments such as Bavuma and Pehlukwayo. I don't even want to mention dozens of promising players, who quit South Africa because they felt humiliated after being told that they couldn't be selected because of their skin color. What happened before 1994 is bad. But that shouldn't be used as a justification to discriminate against a racial group, especially those who born after 1994.

I feel like people just say that Rabada is a good player just because they don’t want to be racist Grin

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South Africa has a lot of talent. They are obviously one of the best in the world. I'm not sure if this is the case right now, different skin colors are always going to exist. White guys are always thinking of themselves as the supreme people of the world. This has been a problem for South African cricket for a long time.

It is not just a problem for cricket, it is a problem for the entire world. And we have seen a lot of players lose their way just because of racism. Things are getting better, but have not been fixed totally.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 04, 2022, 12:13:04 AM

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Agreed. They have been accepting black players for a long time now and some of them have established themselves as legends in the world of Cricket.

Players like Rabada etc are some great examples. They just need a solid captain like Smith to guide them.

Rabada is nowhere near legends such as Alan Donald or Dale Steyn. And even if we consider him as one of the success stories of the quota system, for every success there are 10 unsuccessful experiments such as Bavuma and Pehlukwayo. I don't even want to mention dozens of promising players, who quit South Africa because they felt humiliated after being told that they couldn't be selected because of their skin color. What happened before 1994 is bad. But that shouldn't be used as a justification to discriminate against a racial group, especially those who born after 1994.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 04, 2022, 12:13:04 AM

Quote from: minairia3 on August 03, 2022, 10:33:41 AM

For a long time, South Africa had to face a lot of problems. In particular, the system in which black people were forbidden from mixing with white people and vice versa had lowered the level of South African cricket substantially. I actually forgot what it was called.

Agreed. They have been accepting black players for a long time now and some of them have established themselves as legends in the world of Cricket.

Players like Rabada etc are some great examples. They just need a solid captain like Smith to guide them.

South Africa is good and rich in sports culture, but sadly they are now having many problems in last three decades which are preventing them from having strong domestic system which is essential for any country's development in sports.

They have work on domestic level which is very important because this can bring some good talent and also helpful for ending color race which is currently the biggest issue in their system and sports.

If they can bring 10 to 12 teams in every sports then surely they can take good advantage in every game which is going to be big success for them, but sadly we never have any development in this way, and they are still fighting for quota and other baseless things which will never help them for going to be strong in sports as they are in Rugby right now.

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Quote from: dezoel on August 03, 2022, 03:02:18 AM

If they can solve this issue then surely they could be one of the best team again in very less time but sadly nothing positive happening even now too many commissions and other issues are creating more mess up.

These board issues won't go away anytime soon. The entire team is performing well regardless of these issues which is what primarily matters at the end of the day. If they keep this up, they will surely win many big tournaments in the future in my honest opinion.

Quote from: minairia3 on August 03, 2022, 10:33:41 AM

For a long time, South Africa had to face a lot of problems. In particular, the system in which black people were forbidden from mixing with white people and vice versa had lowered the level of South African cricket substantially. I actually forgot what it was called.

Agreed. They have been accepting black players for a long time now and some of them have established themselves as legends in the world of Cricket.

Players like Rabada etc are some great examples. They just need a solid captain like Smith to guide them.

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Some good news related to the 2028 LA Olympics. The IOC (International Olympic Committee) has shortlisted cricket as one of the 9 sports that will be reviewed for addition to the 2028 Games. A few months back, there was a lot of controversy, because the IOC had stated that the ICC hasn't made any application despite repeated reminders. ICC was claiming that they are trying hard for the Olympic inclusion, but they refused to submit the application on time. After the statement from the IOC, the ICC was forced to submit the application.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/cricket-shortlisted-for-review-by-the-olympic-committee-1327474

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