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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on January 13, 2020, 12:11:03 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 13, 2020, 10:59:30 AM

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Sports channels in India are no longer cheap. If you want to subscribe to the entire Star Sports bouquet, then it can cost you somewhere around $24 per year. Add in Sony/ESPN and that becomes $36 per year. If 100 million households in India are subscribed to these two packages, then it means $3.6 billion in revenues per year, just from the Indian market.

It is true that the high bidding broadcasting rights will end up in the head of the consumers, they will be making the amount of money from the users and then the billions they will be earning during the matches with advertisement revenue and since it is a huge consumer market all the corporate giants and using the cricket matches to advertise their products and that is how they are getting their benefits and everything is on the end consumer and there was a time when i used to watch as the broadcasters used to cut for advertisement just as the last ball is delivered in an over without giving you the opportunity to watch the entire sequence which was really irritating.

They are charging a lot for subscription to these channels and then earning even more by showing advertisements. The government tried to limit their greed by fixing a maximum limit on the subscription fee per channel. But then these guys increased the number of channels and spread out the matches in all the channels. Star Sports is having close to two dozen channels in India and ESPN/Sony is not far behind. If you subscribe to all these channels, then the monthly fee would be greater than the subscription cost for your broadband service.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 13, 2020, 10:59:30 AM

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Sports channels in India are no longer cheap. If you want to subscribe to the entire Star Sports bouquet, then it can cost you somewhere around $24 per year. Add in Sony/ESPN and that becomes $36 per year. If 100 million households in India are subscribed to these two packages, then it means $3.6 billion in revenues per year, just from the Indian market.

It is true that the high bidding broadcasting rights will end up in the head of the consumers, they will be making the amount of money from the users and then the billions they will be earning during the matches with advertisement revenue and since it is a huge consumer market all the corporate giants and using the cricket matches to advertise their products and that is how they are getting their benefits and everything is on the end consumer and there was a time when i used to watch as the broadcasters used to cut for advertisement just as the last ball is delivered in an over without giving you the opportunity to watch the entire sequence which was really irritating.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on January 13, 2020, 10:53:27 AM

I did not knew that England got a $1.56 billion deal to broadcast the matches and if that is the case it is a really great deal as the board never got that much amount historically as far as i know and the BCCI is showing the rest of the cricket boards on how to make money which is really great but the doubt with these billion dollar deals is that whether these price will come down on the end user as we need to purchase these events and the prices are increasing too.

Sports channels in India are no longer cheap. If you want to subscribe to the entire Star Sports bouquet, then it can cost you somewhere around $24 per year. Add in Sony/ESPN and that becomes $36 per year. If 100 million households in India are subscribed to these two packages, then it means $3.6 billion in revenues per year, just from the Indian market.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 12, 2020, 12:37:41 AM

Star India (of Rupert Murdoch) paid $2.55 billion for the IPL broadcasting rights, for the five year period of 2018-2022. On the other hand, the broadcasting rights for BBL and Natwest T20 Blast were not sold separately. They were clubbed along with matches of the national side as well as the other domestic tournaments. Sky Sports paid $1.56 billion for these rights in England for 2020-2024, while Channel 7 and Fox Cricket paid $920 million for the same in Australia (6 year period, from 2018-2014).

Now it is difficult to compare the figures, as the IPL rights were sold separately and the other leagues were sold as a part of the package.

I did not knew that England got a $1.56 billion deal to broadcast the matches and if that is the case it is a really great deal as the board never got that much amount historically as far as i know and the BCCI is showing the rest of the cricket boards on how to make money which is really great but the doubt with these billion dollar deals is that whether these price will come down on the end user as we need to purchase these events and the prices are increasing too.

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Somewhere I read that the North American market (US/Canada) remains an important revenue source for the Caribbean Premier League (CPL). However, apart from the IPL, none of the other franchise cricket leagues have managed to penetrate this market. Even for the IPL, the revenues from North America are negligible. Until they are able to penetrate in to markets such as US and China, each one of these leagues will remain heavily dependent on India.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on January 12, 2020, 12:56:17 PM

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Star India (of Rupert Murdoch) paid $2.55 billion for the IPL broadcasting rights, for the five year period of 2018-2022. On the other hand, the broadcasting rights for BBL and Natwest T20 Blast were not sold separately. They were clubbed along with matches of the national side as well as the other domestic tournaments. Sky Sports paid $1.56 billion for these rights in England for 2020-2024, while Channel 7 and Fox Cricket paid $920 million for the same in Australia (6 year period, from 2018-2014).

Now it is difficult to compare the figures, as the IPL rights were sold separately and the other leagues were sold as a part of the package.

The picture is clear, the BCCI was able to sell the national team broadcasting rights and the IPL rights separately and it is really huge, i was not aware of the billions the rest of the countries were able to procure but to get billions of dollars for giving the broadcasting rights is really crazy and how much money they will be making to give out this much amount. I still remember there were no broadcasters to telecast the matches during 80s and now the competition is really high to get the broadcasting rights.

The T20 leagues made the difference. $2.55 billion for IPL for the 2018-22 period means $550 million per year.

BBL may be around 40% of the revenues for CA, and we can assume $368 million for the tournament, for 6 years. This will come to somewhere around $61 million per year for BBL.

I am not sure whether the Natwest T20 Blast is more profitable than the BBL or not. BBL is more popular, but the Australian population is less than 1/3rd that of England. So the revenues from the Natwest T20 Blast may be more.

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Maxwell has been in very good form playing in the Big Bash League in Australia and yet he was left out of the Australian team for the upcoming ODI series against India. I never understand why a player like Maxwell is left out of the team, he should be a starter in every match with the way he plays. Anyway I hope he gets a game when Australia return home to play New Zealand in a ODI and T20 series.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on January 12, 2020, 12:56:17 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 12, 2020, 12:37:41 AM

Star India (of Rupert Murdoch) paid $2.55 billion for the IPL broadcasting rights, for the five year period of 2018-2022. On the other hand, the broadcasting rights for BBL and Natwest T20 Blast were not sold separately. They were clubbed along with matches of the national side as well as the other domestic tournaments. Sky Sports paid $1.56 billion for these rights in England for 2020-2024, while Channel 7 and Fox Cricket paid $920 million for the same in Australia (6 year period, from 2018-2014).

Now it is difficult to compare the figures, as the IPL rights were sold separately and the other leagues were sold as a part of the package.

The picture is clear, the BCCI was able to sell the national team broadcasting rights and the IPL rights separately and it is really huge, i was not aware of the billions the rest of the countries were able to procure but to get billions of dollars for giving the broadcasting rights is really crazy and how much money they will be making to give out this much amount. I still remember there were no broadcasters to telecast the matches during 80s and now the competition is really high to get the broadcasting rights.

Cricket has become a luxury game and cricket board earns a handsome amount even from the broadcasters. They are earning a lot of money and therefore the players are also being paid with a good amount. Cricket has become a big industry in India after their film industry.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 12, 2020, 12:37:41 AM

Star India (of Rupert Murdoch) paid $2.55 billion for the IPL broadcasting rights, for the five year period of 2018-2022. On the other hand, the broadcasting rights for BBL and Natwest T20 Blast were not sold separately. They were clubbed along with matches of the national side as well as the other domestic tournaments. Sky Sports paid $1.56 billion for these rights in England for 2020-2024, while Channel 7 and Fox Cricket paid $920 million for the same in Australia (6 year period, from 2018-2014).

Now it is difficult to compare the figures, as the IPL rights were sold separately and the other leagues were sold as a part of the package.

The picture is clear, the BCCI was able to sell the national team broadcasting rights and the IPL rights separately and it is really huge, i was not aware of the billions the rest of the countries were able to procure but to get billions of dollars for giving the broadcasting rights is really crazy and how much money they will be making to give out this much amount. I still remember there were no broadcasters to telecast the matches during 80s and now the competition is really high to get the broadcasting rights.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on January 11, 2020, 08:24:32 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 11, 2020, 12:49:13 AM

I would disagree when you say that India is the only feasible market for franchise league.

I agree with you, India does have a big market but there are markets outside that continent too, the majority of the profit comes from broadcasting rights as the IPL make over $3 billion dollars while BBL earns a mere $100 million dollars and that is the case with Natwest T20 Blast as they current get around $100 million and it is a huge different but the ticket sales are good for BBL and i do not have the figures of other franchise leagues but they are conducting those tournament because of the profit they are making.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 11, 2020, 12:49:13 AM

The BBL of Australia and the Vitality Blast of England is doing pretty well, without much help from India. But that said, India remains the largest market and it will be impossible for any of the other franchise T20 leagues to overtake the Indian Premier League (IPL) in terms of popularity or revenues. My advice to the other leagues is not to compare themselves with the IPL.

Competition is good to make things better but competing against a franchise where they earn a billion dollars for broadcasting rights alone is not the smartest thing to do Grin

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Star India (of Rupert Murdoch) paid $2.55 billion for the IPL broadcasting rights, for the five year period of 2018-2022. On the other hand, the broadcasting rights for BBL and Natwest T20 Blast were not sold separately. They were clubbed along with matches of the national side as well as the other domestic tournaments. Sky Sports paid $1.56 billion for these rights in England for 2020-2024, while Channel 7 and Fox Cricket paid $920 million for the same in Australia (6 year period, from 2018-2014).

Now it is difficult to compare the figures, as the IPL rights were sold separately and the other leagues were sold as a part of the package.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 11, 2020, 12:49:13 AM

I would disagree when you say that India is the only feasible market for franchise league.

There is a fact that every country will be looking at the Indian market to attract viewers so that they will have the benefit by getting a much bigger broadcasting rights and may be that is the aspect they will be looking at India other than that there is no way other way franchise will be getting the benefit they are looking for as they are able to sell out stadiums in BBL and England.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 11, 2020, 12:49:13 AM

I would disagree when you say that India is the only feasible market for franchise league.

I agree with you, India does have a big market but there are markets outside that continent too, the majority of the profit comes from broadcasting rights as the IPL make over $3 billion dollars while BBL earns a mere $100 million dollars and that is the case with Natwest T20 Blast as they current get around $100 million and it is a huge different but the ticket sales are good for BBL and i do not have the figures of other franchise leagues but they are conducting those tournament because of the profit they are making.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 11, 2020, 12:49:13 AM

The BBL of Australia and the Vitality Blast of England is doing pretty well, without much help from India. But that said, India remains the largest market and it will be impossible for any of the other franchise T20 leagues to overtake the Indian Premier League (IPL) in terms of popularity or revenues. My advice to the other leagues is not to compare themselves with the IPL.

Competition is good to make things better but competing against a franchise where they earn a billion dollars for broadcasting rights alone is not the smartest thing to do Grin

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Quote from: Tipstar on January 11, 2020, 12:13:58 AM

India is the only feasible market for franchise league. Not only India is a populous country, Cricket is the most favourite sports for Indians. It's not the same for Australia, England or South Africa.
South Asia is where the cricket is the sports that's given a first priority. And India lies in its center. The exclusion of Pakistani players in IPL is the only thing that hurts me. Cricket should have been higher than the petty politics.

I would disagree when you say that India is the only feasible market for franchise league.

The BBL of Australia and the Vitality Blast of England is doing pretty well, without much help from India. But that said, India remains the largest market and it will be impossible for any of the other franchise T20 leagues to overtake the Indian Premier League (IPL) in terms of popularity or revenues. My advice to the other leagues is not to compare themselves with the IPL.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on January 10, 2020, 08:19:14 AM

When it comes to global markets i think that Pakistan is also having a big market and they are a cricket enthusiastic country and why are they not getting the viewership or the advertising is beyond my understanding of the market situation in Pakistan. India does have a fair share of foreign investment companies and there is a real competition to attract users and thereby advertisement is a huge part and i guess there is no real competition in Pakistan to attract more advertisers .

Indian population is around 1,400 million and the Pakistan population is only around 1/7th of that. The same can be said about the economy as well. The Indian GDP is 10 times that of Pakistan. So you can't really compare these two economies. Even if you combine Pakistan and Bangladesh, their economy is only around one-fifth of that of India. Also, the TV revenues are lower in Pakistan, due to a wide variety of reasons.

For the foreseeable future, I am sure that the Indian market will remain as the backbone for any T20 franchise league around the world. The BBL has been quite successful in extracting most of their revenue from Australia itself. But even for them, they need to depend on India for any future growth in revenues. Australia is having a population of only 25 million and cricket is not the no.1 sport there.

India is the only feasible market for franchise league. Not only India is a populous country, Cricket is the most favourite sports for Indians. It's not the same for Australia, England or South Africa.
South Asia is where the cricket is the sports that's given a first priority. And India lies in its center. The exclusion of Pakistani players in IPL is the only thing that hurts me. Cricket should have been higher than the petty politics.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on January 10, 2020, 08:19:14 AM

When it comes to global markets i think that Pakistan is also having a big market and they are a cricket enthusiastic country and why are they not getting the viewership or the advertising is beyond my understanding of the market situation in Pakistan. India does have a fair share of foreign investment companies and there is a real competition to attract users and thereby advertisement is a huge part and i guess there is no real competition in Pakistan to attract more advertisers .

Indian population is around 1,400 million and the Pakistan population is only around 1/7th of that. The same can be said about the economy as well. The Indian GDP is 10 times that of Pakistan. So you can't really compare these two economies. Even if you combine Pakistan and Bangladesh, their economy is only around one-fifth of that of India. Also, the TV revenues are lower in Pakistan, due to a wide variety of reasons.

For the foreseeable future, I am sure that the Indian market will remain as the backbone for any T20 franchise league around the world. The BBL has been quite successful in extracting most of their revenue from Australia itself. But even for them, they need to depend on India for any future growth in revenues. Australia is having a population of only 25 million and cricket is not the no.1 sport there.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 09, 2020, 10:22:24 PM

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Even the other leagues depend a lot on the Indian audience. For example, CPL gets the majority of its TV revenue from India (and not from the West Indies). And this is also one of the reasons why the PSL of Pakistan is in loss now. They are not allowed to broadcast their matches in India and therefore the corporations are not willing to pay large amounts for TV rights. BBL gets most of its revenue from Australia itself, but it has a considerable fan base in India, as well as the other sub-continental countries.

When it comes to global markets i think that Pakistan is also having a big market and they are a cricket enthusiastic country and why are they not getting the viewership or the advertising is beyond my understanding of the market situation in Pakistan. India does have a fair share of foreign investment companies and there is a real competition to attract users and thereby advertisement is a huge part and i guess there is no real competition in Pakistan to attract more advertisers .

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I would say viewership as the biggest weight factor out of all in emerging of lot of T-20 tournaments and series. The fact that it is the format that takes not too much times and delivers the best sports entertainment is something which keeps the audience glued to their seat/TV.

The television rights is the biggest cash cow and it all depends upon the viewership level, Indian board gets billions simply because of the huge viewership and so does the BBL but not sure about the rest of the leagues. I hope that PCL has a much bigger audience and that can be the case with BPL too as they have a huge number of population who does love cricket but not sure about the numbers.

Even the other leagues depend a lot on the Indian audience. For example, CPL gets the majority of its TV revenue from India (and not from the West Indies). And this is also one of the reasons why the PSL of Pakistan is in loss now. They are not allowed to broadcast their matches in India and therefore the corporations are not willing to pay large amounts for TV rights. BBL gets most of its revenue from Australia itself, but it has a considerable fan base in India, as well as the other sub-continental countries.

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Quote from: Avirunes on January 09, 2020, 08:14:38 AM

I would say viewership as the biggest weight factor out of all in emerging of lot of T-20 tournaments and series. The fact that it is the format that takes not too much times and delivers the best sports entertainment is something which keeps the audience glued to their seat/TV.

The television rights is the biggest cash cow and it all depends upon the viewership level, Indian board gets billions simply because of the huge viewership and so does the BBL but not sure about the rest of the leagues. I hope that PCL has a much bigger audience and that can be the case with BPL too as they have a huge number of population who does love cricket but not sure about the numbers.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 09, 2020, 08:38:37 AM

@Vishnu.Reang copying IPL is suicidal because none of the leagues can match the salary that IPL players get, and if there’s no good salary on the table then no top player would like to come and play in those leagues. Second reason why other leagues are a big flop is because IPL plans it’s schedule in such a way that no major ICC tournament is on, which allows all global stars to participate in IPL and other’s leagues do not get such kind of luxury.

That's true. There is an informal agreement between the BCCI and the ICC that no major global tournament will be scheduled during the IPL duration. The national boards are also reluctant to conduct their tournaments or bilateral tours during this time, because they know that the star players would definitely prefer their IPL franchise over the national team.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 09, 2020, 08:01:08 AM

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I think the idea is to attract new fans to the franchise game, i still remember the first T20 World Cup and India winning the tournament with a relatively young team and then they started IPL and it was a grand success and rest of the countries are trying to continue the same concept now and everyone knows the commercial success it can bring if the fans gets interested and every team is eyeing for that winning combination to attract more eyes to their franchise cricket.

The problem here is that every other board is trying to copy the IPL. But they fail to understand that they don't have such large market at home. For example, the Sri Lankan Cricket Board had launched a similar league a few years back. It folded after just one year, resulting in huge losses to the board. The Msanzi Super League (MSL) of South Africa is also in deep loss. Only a few such as the BBL and CPL are in profit.

@Vishnu.Reang copying IPL is suicidal because none of the leagues can match the salary that IPL players get, and if there’s no good salary on the table then no top player would like to come and play in those leagues. Second reason why other leagues are a big flop is because IPL plans it’s schedule in such a way that no major ICC tournament is on, which allows all global stars to participate in IPL and other’s leagues do not get such kind of luxury.

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