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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 11, 2020, 01:27:14 AM

You cannot rule out money in every game. I am sure Sourav Ganguly will change a lot of things within BCCI as he did when he was leading the Indian team. India is not looking to control ICC, India is only asking it's fair share as it is the only country that has been promoting cricket and generating revenue for the game.

The other countries are not comfortable with the higher share given to the BCCI. They argue that every other sports body treats the nations equally and there should not be any discrimination in cricket as well. For example, the funds given by FIFA to Brazil or Germany is lower when compared to the amount that is transferred to India and China every year.

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Dear some time ago we was hearing about Big 3 which was flopped idea because others face not good so then ICC drop this idea now we are facing some other troubles as you already saying Ganguly is going to fight against dominance so I am feeling its not good we have many other organisations which are handling sports and have no issues like these because these all working with mutual understanding and respect of others here as India came in power we have many troubles which need intention from others as well but India want all things under their control which is not good for spirit of cricket.

I am not aware of the inside battle but money always rules and India does provide the bigger share of profit for ICC but this is the only sport where a single entity controls over the other boards and the international board if that is the case. I just watch cricket and not following these battles but we need to have a fair resolve rather than a battle who reigns supreme.

You cannot rule out money in every game. I am sure Sourav Ganguly will change a lot of things within BCCI as he did when he was leading the Indian team. India is not looking to control ICC, India is only asking it's fair share as it is the only country that has been promoting cricket and generating revenue for the game.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on February 10, 2020, 03:13:48 PM

Dear some time ago we was hearing about Big 3 which was flopped idea because others face not good so then ICC drop this idea now we are facing some other troubles as you already saying Ganguly is going to fight against dominance so I am feeling its not good we have many other organisations which are handling sports and have no issues like these because these all working with mutual understanding and respect of others here as India came in power we have many troubles which need intention from others as well but India want all things under their control which is not good for spirit of cricket.

I am not aware of the inside battle but money always rules and India does provide the bigger share of profit for ICC but this is the only sport where a single entity controls over the other boards and the international board if that is the case. I just watch cricket and not following these battles but we need to have a fair resolve rather than a battle who reigns supreme.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 10, 2020, 09:49:59 AM

Quote from: BitSat19 on February 09, 2020, 02:59:40 PM

Man you are on spot its all about just blackmailing from BCCI and ICC doing nothing because they have more then 70% revenue from India its killing spirit of game but its all about dirty politics which is doing this all they know cricket is really good for big profit and they are stopping this all with power.

I have to remind everyone that recently the BCCI had faced a lot of setbacks during the ICC meetings. All the other countries grouped against India, when the plan for annual fund allocation was presented. As a result, the fund allocation for BCCI was reduced significantly. Now the BCCI is with a new president (Sourav Ganguly) and he has said that BCCI will fight against any loss of its dominance.

Dear some time ago we was hearing about Big 3 which was flopped idea because others face not good so then ICC drop this idea now we are facing some other troubles as you already saying Ganguly is going to fight against dominance so I am feeling its not good we have many other organisations which are handling sports and have no issues like these because these all working with mutual understanding and respect of others here as India came in power we have many troubles which need intention from others as well but India want all things under their control which is not good for spirit of cricket.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on February 09, 2020, 02:59:40 PM

Man you are on spot its all about just blackmailing from BCCI and ICC doing nothing because they have more then 70% revenue from India its killing spirit of game but its all about dirty politics which is doing this all they know cricket is really good for big profit and they are stopping this all with power.

I have to remind everyone that recently the BCCI had faced a lot of setbacks during the ICC meetings. All the other countries grouped against India, when the plan for annual fund allocation was presented. As a result, the fund allocation for BCCI was reduced significantly. Now the BCCI is with a new president (Sourav Ganguly) and he has said that BCCI will fight against any loss of its dominance.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 08:35:55 AM

It is not a war you dumb!! It is only a game, there is nothing to be afraid of.. Influence comes with money. Apart from India, Australia and England which other cricket playing nation is generating revenue for ICC.

These are contrasting statements, if it is simply a game then why the political intervention, involving politics with a sporting event is not a good concept.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 08:35:55 AM

India is a different nation now and the government of India has a completely different approach towards Pakistan. BCCI cannot do anything without the governments permission.

Apart from cricket India and Pakistan are playing other sports and that is the double game of the political system from what i understand. The ICC is not getting involved because of the money power and the ICC should take actions irrespective of the wealth to weed out politics from cricket.

Man you are on spot its all about just blackmailing from BCCI and ICC doing nothing because they have more then 70% revenue from India its killing spirit of game but its all about dirty politics which is doing this all they know cricket is really good for big profit and they are stopping this all with power.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 08:35:55 AM

It is not a war you dumb!! It is only a game, there is nothing to be afraid of.. Influence comes with money. Apart from India, Australia and England which other cricket playing nation is generating revenue for ICC.

These are contrasting statements, if it is simply a game then why the political intervention, involving politics with a sporting event is not a good concept.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 08:35:55 AM

India is a different nation now and the government of India has a completely different approach towards Pakistan. BCCI cannot do anything without the governments permission.

Apart from cricket India and Pakistan are playing other sports and that is the double game of the political system from what i understand. The ICC is not getting involved because of the money power and the ICC should take actions irrespective of the wealth to weed out politics from cricket.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on February 08, 2020, 04:39:54 PM

Your all point is valid but as soccer Leagues cannot stop players from joining their National teams just one case they announces retirement for staying in League and Lamichane is still very young and he want to play for his country just because of this he go back home and playing in try nation Haris Rouf was good in early matches but fail to handle final pressure.

Sandeep Lamichhane is the only player with international/franchise experience in the Nepal team. So they wanted him to play the League 2 matches. These matches are very crucial for Nepal, as the outcome of these matches eventually decide how much international exposure and the volume of funds from the ICC they will receive. I would say that Nepal needed Sandeep Lamichhane much more than the Stars.

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Quote from: arco-yabamba on February 08, 2020, 05:52:59 AM

sorry to interrupt the heavy discussion, but is anyone having a punt in-play on big bash final?

Big bash final was won by Sydney sixers by 19 runs. Batting first they scored 116 runs with 5 wickets down. Melbourne stars failed to chase that score and were all out in 97 runs. Josh was the match of the match as he made 52 runs in 29 bowls only and turned the match in the favor of Sydney sixers. Also to mentioned that the match was reduced to 12 overs each.

I'm glad that this final went ahead as it wasn't looking good with the bad weather Sydney was having. The Sydney sixers deserved this win even though I thought that they could of scored more runs but it was their bowling attack that won the sixers the game so all the credit goes to the bowlers and once again the stars lose another final. That's two BBL finals in a row they have lost and I just wonder when they will ever win a final as they seem to choke in finals.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 08, 2020, 12:24:29 PM

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Quote from: arco-yabamba on February 08, 2020, 05:52:59 AM

sorry to interrupt the heavy discussion, but is anyone having a punt in-play on big bash final?

Big bash final was won by Sydney sixers by 19 runs. Batting first they scored 116 runs with 5 wickets down. Melbourne stars failed to chase that score and were all out in 97 runs. Josh was the match of the match as he made 52 runs in 29 bowls only and turned the match in the favor of Sydney sixers. Also to mentioned that the match was reduced to 12 overs each.

Melbourne Stars was looking weak in the bowling department, probably due to the absence of Sandeep Lamichchane (he is currently playing a tri-series for Nepal against the United States and Oman in Kathmandu, which is a part of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2). His replacement (Haris Rauf) proved very expensive in this match, and that was one of the reasons why they lost the match.

Now it is a very tricky question of choosing between your nation and the T20 franchise. But my personal opinion is that Sandeep should have chosen to play for the Stars instead of Nepal. Stars was the first franchise side to select him in their playing XI, and it was playing in the BBL that made him famous (and not his matches for Nepal).

Your all point is valid but as soccer Leagues cannot stop players from joining their National teams just one case they announces retirement for staying in League and Lamichane is still very young and he want to play for his country just because of this he go back home and playing in try nation Haris Rouf was good in early matches but fail to handle final pressure.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on February 06, 2020, 11:02:34 PM

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Or they are afraid to lose from Pakistan ?

It is true that if a team has played well in a few matches recently, it is not called a strong team. Cricket is a game where every ball is not important
but If you have bad luck you have to lose because of just a single ball, last few balls or one over can turn the whole game.
If you look at the statistics of the entire series of Indo-Pakistan cricket then Pakistan is ahead of India
But if you look at the very recent series then you must have to accept that India have been ahead of Pakistan in last few series & World Cup.

So, It is not at all reasonable that India is afraid of playing with Pakistan.

Dear its all about polictics nothing with game now Indian Kabbadi team is touring Pakistan for World cup why because its not generating good money for Pakistan and cricket is really big thing for money in Pakistan so they don't want to give any good benefit just its simple no problems in Pakistan for security or any thing they are playing dirty games which is helping more negative things for common peoples thinking if Indians or any one feel its not safe then they must not send any team or player right now we have two big events in Pakistan Kabbadi world cup and Skating nearly 40 skatters from 30 countries already in and enjoying now you guys can understand what is problem.

Yes, I agree with you, the political issues that Pakistan has with India certainly effect on cricket. On the other hand, Pakistan's security issues cannot be avoided.
You know that the cricket match in Pakistan was banned from the ICC for security reasons since the attack in the Pakistan vs Sri-Lanka match. That ban was lifted
a few days ago. Very recently Zimbabwe, Sri-Lanka, West Indies has gone there and played, now Bangladesh cricket team is living there with a great protocol.
Pakistan welcomed these groups with solid security concerns and protocol.

So, the main reason India should not play in Pakistan is to take political advantage as you said they don't want to give any good benefit.

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Quote from: arco-yabamba on February 08, 2020, 05:52:59 AM

sorry to interrupt the heavy discussion, but is anyone having a punt in-play on big bash final?

Big bash final was won by Sydney sixers by 19 runs. Batting first they scored 116 runs with 5 wickets down. Melbourne stars failed to chase that score and were all out in 97 runs. Josh was the match of the match as he made 52 runs in 29 bowls only and turned the match in the favor of Sydney sixers. Also to mentioned that the match was reduced to 12 overs each.

Melbourne Stars was looking weak in the bowling department, probably due to the absence of Sandeep Lamichchane (he is currently playing a tri-series for Nepal against the United States and Oman in Kathmandu, which is a part of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2). His replacement (Haris Rauf) proved very expensive in this match, and that was one of the reasons why they lost the match.

Now it is a very tricky question of choosing between your nation and the T20 franchise. But my personal opinion is that Sandeep should have chosen to play for the Stars instead of Nepal. Stars was the first franchise side to select him in their playing XI, and it was playing in the BBL that made him famous (and not his matches for Nepal).

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on February 06, 2020, 11:02:34 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on February 06, 2020, 10:28:20 PM

I don’t believe it’ll be easy convincing Australia and England to come and play in Pakistan because if they do agree to play there then they’ll hurt BCCI feelings, and even their own players will not want to risk their lives hence at max they may send a rookie team to play out there. Also team India will never travel to Pakistan because India believes that Pakistan is behind terror attacks in it’s country, hence you’ll can forget seeing team India ever playing in Pakistan.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/sports/pcb-welcome-to-host-asia-cup-but-team-india-won-t-play-in-pakistan-bcci-120012801173_1.html

https://www.firstpost.com/india/india-accuses-pakistan-of-having-the-dna-of-terrorism-in-response-to-islamabads-false-claims-on-jk-at-unesco-meet-7656311.html

So its the monopoly of the big three and they will make decision keeping the interest of the each other. Wink

I always said this many times but none agree to me. Now i am happy to see other sharing the same point of view of Big three influence on cricket.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 06, 2020, 10:57:22 PM

Yes, as I have written above India will not play in Pakistan because of the political issue.

Or they are afraid to lose from Pakistan ?

It is not a war you dumb!! It is only a game, there is nothing to be afraid of.. Influence comes with money. Apart from India, Australia and England which other cricket playing nation is generating revenue for ICC.

India is a different nation now and the government of India has a completely different approach towards Pakistan. BCCI cannot do anything without the governments permission.

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Quote from: arco-yabamba on February 08, 2020, 05:52:59 AM

sorry to interrupt the heavy discussion, but is anyone having a punt in-play on big bash final?

Big bash final was won by Sydney sixers by 19 runs. Batting first they scored 116 runs with 5 wickets down. Melbourne stars failed to chase that score and were all out in 97 runs. Josh was the match of the match as he made 52 runs in 29 bowls only and turned the match in the favor of Sydney sixers. Also to mentioned that the match was reduced to 12 overs each.

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sorry to interrupt the heavy discussion, but is anyone having a punt in-play on big bash final?

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 07, 2020, 10:07:00 PM

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Or they are afraid to lose from Pakistan ?

This is not a valid argument, because India has beaten Pakistan in all the recent matches between the two sides (including the one between the two teams during the 2019 Cricket World Cup). Also, a few days back India had decisively defeated Pakistan during the 2020 Under-19 World Cup. The current Indian team is among the world's best and I don't think that they are afraid of facing Pakistan. So the refusal to tour Pakistan has purely to do with politics.

I do not get this point. When Indian team is so strong and they have beaten / can beat Pakistan easily, whats wrong in playing with them ?

India Play Pakistan, Beat them and dominate more. Isn't this make sense even politically ? By not playing, they will gain nothing.

The political situation in India has changed completely during the last 10-15 years. Fed up with the UPA 2 government (2009-14), the people voted nationalist NDA to power in 2014. They won by an even bigger majority in 2019. The average person living in India is becoming more right wing. At this point, it will be suicidal for the government to allow the Indian team to tour Pakistan.

That's sad that politics has influenced the game cricket. Undecided

The games should be kept out of politics but certain groups of people in both countries would not allow this to happen.

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on February 07, 2020, 03:33:55 PM

If you look at the statistics of the entire series of Indo-Pakistan cricket then Pakistan is ahead of India
But if you look at the very recent series then you must have to accept that India have been ahead of Pakistan in last few series & World Cup.

India Vs Rest of World (excluding Pakistan) : Winner India

India Vs Pakistan: Winner Unknown

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 07, 2020, 12:15:14 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on February 06, 2020, 11:02:34 PM

Or they are afraid to lose from Pakistan ?

This is not a valid argument, because India has beaten Pakistan in all the recent matches between the two sides (including the one between the two teams during the 2019 Cricket World Cup). Also, a few days back India had decisively defeated Pakistan during the 2020 Under-19 World Cup. The current Indian team is among the world's best and I don't think that they are afraid of facing Pakistan. So the refusal to tour Pakistan has purely to do with politics.

I do not get this point. When Indian team is so strong and they have beaten / can beat Pakistan easily, whats wrong in playing with them ?

India Play Pakistan, Beat them and dominate more. Isn't this make sense even politically ? By not playing, they will gain nothing.

The political situation in India has changed completely during the last 10-15 years. Fed up with the UPA 2 government (2009-14), the people voted nationalist NDA to power in 2014. They won by an even bigger majority in 2019. The average person living in India is becoming more right wing. At this point, it will be suicidal for the government to allow the Indian team to tour Pakistan.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on February 07, 2020, 03:33:55 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on February 06, 2020, 11:02:34 PM

~snip~
Or they are afraid to lose from Pakistan ?

It is true that if a team has played well in a few matches recently, it is not called a strong team. Cricket is a game where every ball is not important
but If you have bad luck you have to lose because of just a single ball, last few balls or one over can turn the whole game.
If you look at the statistics of the entire series of Indo-Pakistan cricket then Pakistan is ahead of India
But if you look at the very recent series then you must have to accept that India have been ahead of Pakistan in last few series & World Cup.

So, It is not at all reasonable that India is afraid of playing with Pakistan.

Dear its all about polictics nothing with game now Indian Kabbadi team is touring Pakistan for World cup why because its not generating good money for Pakistan and cricket is really big thing for money in Pakistan so they don't want to give any good benefit just its simple no problems in Pakistan for security or any thing they are playing dirty games which is helping more negative things for common peoples thinking if Indians or any one feel its not safe then they must not send any team or player right now we have two big events in Pakistan Kabbadi world cup and Skating nearly 40 skatters from 30 countries already in and enjoying now you guys can understand what is problem.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on February 06, 2020, 11:02:34 PM

~snip~
Or they are afraid to lose from Pakistan ?

It is true that if a team has played well in a few matches recently, it is not called a strong team. Cricket is a game where every ball is not important
but If you have bad luck you have to lose because of just a single ball, last few balls or one over can turn the whole game.
If you look at the statistics of the entire series of Indo-Pakistan cricket then Pakistan is ahead of India
But if you look at the very recent series then you must have to accept that India have been ahead of Pakistan in last few series & World Cup.

So, It is not at all reasonable that India is afraid of playing with Pakistan.

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Quote from: vella85 on February 06, 2020, 06:40:25 PM

I agree, I think that Australia will be open to the idea of playing in Pakistan again and maybe even England but not sure about India. I remember watching Australia play in Pakistan and to be honest I do miss them days. I remember staying up to watch Mark Taylor make his 334 no and all the Pakistan people praying for him to get out. That was one of the best matches that I have seen played in Pakistan and hopefully one day we'll see the top players like Smith and Kohli playing there.

If the rest of the countries are willing to tour Pakistan then it would be great for Pakistan cricket and with the security they have given to Sri lanka and Bangladesh and with the PCL coming up and if they conduct successfully in Pakistan then the rest of the teams might tour Pakistan. The political problem with India and Pakistan is well known around the globe and hence i am not expecting India to tour Pakistan nor play them in a series other than ICC tournaments simply because of political reasons.

Quote from: UmerIdrees on February 07, 2020, 12:35:31 PM

I do not get this point. When Indian team is so strong and they have beaten / can beat Pakistan easily, whats wrong in playing with them ?
India Play Pakistan, Beat them and dominate more. Isn't this make sense even politically ? By not playing, they will gain nothing.

This is political reason and with the current Indian government who has a extreme ideology it is just a dream to see Pakistan and India playing. The fun aspect is that the only restriction is playing cricket between Pakistan but they are playing other sports without any issue.

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