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Quote from: JSRAW on December 21, 2019, 02:36:27 AM

True for majority of games in domestic arena, i am not fan of this strategy. Some pitches are becoming pace friendly though but its not enough. some times i fancy the idea that, what will happen if BCCI try to create pitches according for foreign conditions ( England, Australia, South Africa) they have money, 50+ international cricket stadium and India is big, diverse when we look at weather.

There are a number of pace-friendly pitches in India, including international tracks such as Mohali and Dharmashala. But the problem is that these grounds are with the smaller state boards and they get international games only once every two or three years. Apart from them, more than 90% of the tracks which are used for domestic games are either flat or spin-friendly.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on December 20, 2019, 07:57:37 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 20, 2019, 07:34:37 AM

Nowadays, the boundary distances in international matches have been decreased, to increase the number of boundaries. And this is having a disproportionately negative impact on the spin bowlers. Many of the boundaries during the Visakhapatnam match would have ended as wickets, if the match was played two decades ago. But it will be wring to say that it impacts one of the sides more than the other.

It is clear that the boundaries have become shorter in the past decade and when you see a mishit goes over the ropes we can understand the plight of the bowlers, the game has changed a lot and it helps the bowlers all the time even with the rules and regulation helping the batsman and on top of that the boundaries are shorter, tough times for bowlers and i do not see any change in that.

All the new rules of the cricket favors the batsmen. Single bouncer in an over, fielding restrictions and now short boundaries would mean more and more hitting and more runs. Cricket will more look like a baseball soon if this continues. I think this is bad for the cricket because we love the fast and spin good bowling spells and it does not matter if less runs are scored. But his pure hitting on every ball, is not looking good for the cricket in the long run.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 08:43:50 AM

Not regular players but the ones who gets drop and go back to domestic cricket.

Including young blood from domestic cricket. BCCI should identify 15-20 players and encourage them to play for 4 day cricket in SENA countries, Similar to Rahane, Ashwin, Ishant. India can rule the Test cricket for next 10-20 years easily if they get their shit together.

Despite some initiative taken a few years back, the vast majority of the domestic matches in India continues to be played on flat tracks, which benefits neither the batsmen, nor the bowlers. This is one of the reason why it is beneficial for the Indian players (especially those who are in the fringe for national team selection) to play domestic tournaments abroad. Right now the Sheffield Shield competition of Australia has the highest standard among all the tournaments, and the County Championship of England would be ranked as the second strongest competition.

True for majority of games in domestic arena, i am not fan of this strategy. Some pitches are becoming pace friendly though but its not enough. some times i fancy the idea that, what will happen if BCCI try to create pitches according for foreign conditions ( England, Australia, South Africa) they have money, 50+ international cricket stadium and India is big, diverse when we look at weather.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 20, 2019, 07:34:37 AM

Nowadays, the boundary distances in international matches have been decreased, to increase the number of boundaries. And this is having a disproportionately negative impact on the spin bowlers. Many of the boundaries during the Visakhapatnam match would have ended as wickets, if the match was played two decades ago. But it will be wring to say that it impacts one of the sides more than the other.

It is clear that the boundaries have become shorter in the past decade and when you see a mishit goes over the ropes we can understand the plight of the bowlers, the game has changed a lot and it helps the bowlers all the time even with the rules and regulation helping the batsman and on top of that the boundaries are shorter, tough times for bowlers and i do not see any change in that.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on December 19, 2019, 11:26:00 AM

It is a difficult position for India, the spinners are taken for runs in the past two matches from both teams and with high scoring games like these and heavy hitters who are able to put the ball out of the stadium, it is very difficult for the spinners as one loose ball and it will end up as a six and so is the reason the Indian spinners gave away 9 sixes in total in the last match.

Nowadays, the boundary distances in international matches have been decreased, to increase the number of boundaries. And this is having a disproportionately negative impact on the spin bowlers. Many of the boundaries during the Visakhapatnam match would have ended as wickets, if the match was played two decades ago. But it will be wring to say that it impacts one of the sides more than the other.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 08:43:50 AM

Not regular players but the ones who gets drop and go back to domestic cricket.

Including young blood from domestic cricket. BCCI should identify 15-20 players and encourage them to play for 4 day cricket in SENA countries, Similar to Rahane, Ashwin, Ishant. India can rule the Test cricket for next 10-20 years easily if they get their shit together.

Despite some initiative taken a few years back, the vast majority of the domestic matches in India continues to be played on flat tracks, which benefits neither the batsmen, nor the bowlers. This is one of the reason why it is beneficial for the Indian players (especially those who are in the fringe for national team selection) to play domestic tournaments abroad. Right now the Sheffield Shield competition of Australia has the highest standard among all the tournaments, and the County Championship of England would be ranked as the second strongest competition.

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Quote from: iram3130 on December 19, 2019, 06:43:14 AM

I feel that India badly needs good bowlers right now, some are good in death overs but not consistent. Also experienced support is clearly lacking. The third and final match is the decider and bets are high on both sides. Am going in with 51-49 towards India just because of Rohit Sharma's form right now.

It is a difficult position for India, the spinners are taken for runs in the past two matches from both teams and with high scoring games like these and heavy hitters who are able to put the ball out of the stadium, it is very difficult for the spinners as one loose ball and it will end up as a six and so is the reason the Indian spinners gave away 9 sixes in total in the last match.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 19, 2019, 08:24:53 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 08:11:39 AM

For business perspective is good move, we can argue that domestic players should get NOC for foreign T-20 leagues ( as pointed by Sithara007) but IMO T-20 leagues are not helpful in terms of exposure when comparing with IPL. if its for Sheffield Shield, English Counties or Sunfoil Series (4 days match) then i am in favor without any doubt.

Well... I really doubt whether the Indian players will be interested in taking part in the 4-day competitions abroad. Earlier a lot of players (such as Saurav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid) used to do that, but now with such packed schedule, none of the mainstream players are interested in such foreign stints. That's why I said that the T20 leagues suit them more. Salary is high, and the work load is low.

Not regular players but the ones who gets drop and go back to domestic cricket.

Including young blood from domestic cricket. BCCI should identify 15-20 players and encourage them to play for 4 day cricket in SENA countries, Similar to Rahane, Ashwin, Ishant. India can rule the Test cricket for next 10-20 years easily if they get their shit together.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 08:11:39 AM

For business perspective is good move, we can argue that domestic players should get NOC for foreign T-20 leagues ( as pointed by Sithara007) but IMO T-20 leagues are not helpful in terms of exposure when comparing with IPL. if its for Sheffield Shield, English Counties or Sunfoil Series (4 days match) then i am in favor without any doubt.

Well... I really doubt whether the Indian players will be interested in taking part in the 4-day competitions abroad. Earlier a lot of players (such as Saurav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid) used to do that, but now with such packed schedule, none of the mainstream players are interested in such foreign stints. That's why I said that the T20 leagues suit them more. Salary is high, and the work load is low.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 17, 2019, 08:32:53 AM

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Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team

The reason is because they are contracted with the BCCI and they are not allowed to participate in any other leagues other than the IPL and once you are under contract with the BCCI and no one in the right sense will plan to breach those contracts and basically it is not patriotism that is displayed but they are fulfilling the contract they signed to play for the country and they are earning a hell lot of money playing cricket and hence no one will complain about the pay scale.

Well... this is not right, IMO. The IPL is truly a global league, with more than a hundred overseas players participating in it. There are instances when some of these players miss their national duty because of their commitment to the IPL. The players are benefiting from this, as their IPL salaries are manytimes what their national board would pay. But at the same time, the other cricket boards suffer due to the unavailability of these players.

Agree, this is a big problem and i personally don't enjoy mercenary attitudes from some players but i don't blame them either. their respective cricket board should communicate with them and resolve core issue, both sides need to come on some common ground and it shouldn't be like " My way or High way".

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Under these circumstances, is it correct for the BCCI to ban Indian players from participating in the foreign T20 leagues? We all know that their real intention is to cut back the popularity of these leagues (such as the Big Bash League and the Caribbean Premier League) in India, and to prevent these leagues from raking in valuable TV revenues.

You are implying that BCCI should send their assets to other leagues. i would say its a suicidal move when conducting business, everything comes down to money etc anyway.

For business perspective is good move, we can argue that domestic players should get NOC for foreign T-20 leagues ( as pointed by Sithara007) but IMO T-20 leagues are not helpful in terms of exposure when comparing with IPL. if its for Sheffield Shield, English Counties or Sunfoil Series (4 days match) then i am in favor without any doubt.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 16, 2019, 10:27:11 PM

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You are right. None of the Indian players are allowed to play in franchise T20 leagues outside India. If they wish to do so, then they should retire from the domestic and international cricket and do so (similar to what players such as Zaheer Khan and Yuvraj Sigh have done). But in my opinion, this is a very repressive move from the BCCI.

BCCI is the most powerful and financially sound board in the world and they decide what they want Wink

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Well... this is not right, IMO. The IPL is truly a global league, with more than a hundred overseas players participating in it. There are instances when some of these players miss their national duty because of their commitment to the IPL. The players are benefiting from this, as their IPL salaries are manytimes what their national board would pay. But at the same time, the other cricket boards suffer due to the unavailability of these players.

Because of the high pay scale they are playing in the IPL, hundreds of overseas players are playing in the IPL but how many Indian players are playing in the franchise T20 leagues abroad ?. None of the Indian players are playing because they cannot because of the contract they signed with the BCCI.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 17, 2019, 08:32:53 AM

Under these circumstances, is it correct for the BCCI to ban Indian players from participating in the foreign T20 leagues? We all know that their real intention is to cut back the popularity of these leagues (such as the Big Bash League and the Caribbean Premier League) in India, and to prevent these leagues from raking in valuable TV revenues.

Yes the players are under BCCI contract and they can restrict the players and they are doing that if you are not aware of it.

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I feel that India badly needs good bowlers right now, some are good in death overs but not consistent. Also experienced support is clearly lacking. The third and final match is the decider and bets are high on both sides. Am going in with 51-49 towards India just because of Rohit Sharma's form right now.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on December 16, 2019, 11:33:43 AM

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on December 16, 2019, 11:26:04 AM

Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team

The reason is because they are contracted with the BCCI and they are not allowed to participate in any other leagues other than the IPL and once you are under contract with the BCCI and no one in the right sense will plan to breach those contracts and basically it is not patriotism that is displayed but they are fulfilling the contract they signed to play for the country and they are earning a hell lot of money playing cricket and hence no one will complain about the pay scale.

Well... this is not right, IMO. The IPL is truly a global league, with more than a hundred overseas players participating in it. There are instances when some of these players miss their national duty because of their commitment to the IPL. The players are benefiting from this, as their IPL salaries are manytimes what their national board would pay. But at the same time, the other cricket boards suffer due to the unavailability of these players.

Under these circumstances, is it correct for the BCCI to ban Indian players from participating in the foreign T20 leagues? We all know that their real intention is to cut back the popularity of these leagues (such as the Big Bash League and the Caribbean Premier League) in India, and to prevent these leagues from raking in valuable TV revenues.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on December 16, 2019, 11:33:43 AM

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Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team

The reason is because they are contracted with the BCCI and they are not allowed to participate in any other leagues other than the IPL and once you are under contract with the BCCI and no one in the right sense will plan to breach those contracts and basically it is not patriotism that is displayed but they are fulfilling the contract they signed to play for the country and they are earning a hell lot of money playing cricket and hence no one will complain about the pay scale.

You are right. None of the Indian players are allowed to play in franchise T20 leagues outside India. If they wish to do so, then they should retire from the domestic and international cricket and do so (similar to what players such as Zaheer Khan and Yuvraj Sigh have done). But in my opinion, this is a very repressive move from the BCCI. They should have at least allowed the domestic players to play abroad. It could have been mutually beneficial for both the sides. And now the other leagues have proved that they can survive without the Indian players.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on December 16, 2019, 11:26:04 AM

Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team

The reason is because they are contracted with the BCCI and they are not allowed to participate in any other leagues other than the IPL and once you are under contract with the BCCI and no one in the right sense will plan to breach those contracts and basically it is not patriotism that is displayed but they are fulfilling the contract they signed to play for the country and they are earning a hell lot of money playing cricket and hence no one will complain about the pay scale.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 16, 2019, 09:09:25 AM

The Asian players, especially the Indians always prefer the national duty over franchise T20 leagues. Even Sandeep Lamichhane, the sole Nepali player appearing in these franchise leagues decided to represent his national team rather than taking part in one of the T20 leagues. The same goes for Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. They have always given preference to national duty.

Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team which pays a much better pay day per game in the long term rather than playing for these leagues which could end when the profits starts to diminish and as a player you will never try to piss off the cricket board to join any of these leagues as they might not get selected in the future unlike West Indies players as everyone mentioned.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 15, 2019, 10:36:46 AM

Mitchell Starc may prefer to play for his country first and do not care much about the IPL money but most of the Asians cricketers will prefer these leagues over their national team. This does not mean the Asian cricketers are greedy for money but actually they do not get the respect which they deserve from the cricket board.

I am not sure about this. The Asian players, especially the Indians always prefer the national duty over franchise T20 leagues. Even Sandeep Lamichhane, the sole Nepali player appearing in these franchise leagues decided to represent his national team rather than taking part in one of the T20 leagues. The same goes for Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. They have always given preference to national duty.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 15, 2019, 10:58:48 PM

But sometimes players are more concerned about their own international records as well as patriotism towards the country. And this is where the difference between Starc and the West Indian players come in.

The West Indies cricket team is formed by players from different countries around that region and you cannot come up with the patriotic card along for these players to play for the West Indies cricket board and they need money and if the cricket board is not able to provide that they will be looking else where and the T20 franchise leagues are giving the money what they are looking for and hence they are performing globally.

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Quote from: ene1980 on December 15, 2019, 01:33:17 PM

I am not sure whether you can call it an noble effort to opt out of a million dollar deal where you are able to make that amount with a dozen matches to be played in a months tournament and he is not even getting a million dollar for playing the entire year for Australia and it is no wonder everyone is retiring earlier to play for franchise leagues as they are able to make more money with less play time.

Well.. you are right. The amount that he would have received from the IPL in around one and half months is about 2.5 times what he could get from playing for Australia during the entire 2019-20 season. But sometimes players are more concerned about their own international records as well as patriotism towards the country. And this is where the difference between Starc and the West Indian players come in.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 14, 2019, 11:16:47 PM

One name that came up recently was that of Mitchell Starc, who opted out of the next edition of the IPL. Starc would have easily netted $1 million to $1.5 million from the IPL, but he chose to play for the national team instead.

Now the question is how many of the players would be courageous enough to take such a decision. The amount we are talking about here is really huge. And considering that the peak form for a fast bowler lasts just a few years, I just hope that Starc doesn't regret about his decision later (for reference, his contract pay from Cricket Australia is around $620,000 per year).

I am not sure whether you can call it an noble effort to opt out of a million dollar deal where you are able to make that amount with a dozen matches to be played in a months tournament and he is not even getting a million dollar for playing the entire year for Australia and it is no wonder everyone is retiring earlier to play for franchise leagues as they are able to make more money with less play time.

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