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Quote from: Smack That Ace on December 17, 2023, 05:19:55 AM

From the call center to the cricket pitch, Indian scammers are everywhere Grin

Jokes apart I think if necessary steps were taken by the ICC, it wouldn't have happened in the first place. If ICC actually said that a player has to be the citizen of a country to actually play for them, this wouldn't have happened. People might say that not much money is being distributed here. So this is definitely not a big scam. But if it is a scam, it is a scam. Whether it is a big scam or a small scam is another story.

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Indians can't compete with Pakbros in creating esteemed terrorists so poor guys had to settle with at least something. Wink

Agreed, big or not, a scam is a scam but at the same time, needs some smoking gun if no concrete evidence is available. Hearsay is good for discussion but can't rely on it much.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 14, 2023, 11:35:38 AM

Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.

Lol love the Anant-Moitra example but anyway.

My emphasis wasn't on whether 100 bucks are sufficient amount for players or not. I was saying that even if players are set to play a minimum of 10 actual matches every year and the remaining match exists only on paper, in this case, accusations don't hold much weight because numbers are not adding up.

From the call center to the cricket pitch, Indian scammers are everywhere Grin

Jokes apart I think if necessary steps were taken by the ICC, it wouldn't have happened in the first place. If ICC actually said that a player has to be the citizen of a country to actually play for them, this wouldn't have happened. People might say that not much money is being distributed here. So this is definitely not a big scam. But if it is a scam, it is a scam. Whether it is a big scam or a small scam is another story.

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For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

Maybe you are right in your view about this all but now this can't go for long time because we have first dropped of change through Oman and most chances as things will be gone in positive way we will have changes in teams and mostly will try to go with their native players because this is the best way and ICC surely will also act as we have rules in IOC for the games, so even money can't bring anything positive for the countries which are having adopted players.

Africa region is surely doing impressive work and now few other Asian countries are also bringing things like these which will give them better results and more money because in near future we will have more money with viewership is going to increase, but again we need strong act from the ICC which can bring good changes and more money just keep going with their positive mind for the change.

For ICC to actually take strong steps about this, they will definitely want to have the approval of the Indian Cricket Board. First I thought the Indian Cricket Board should not oppose this idea. But then I realized India is currently a friend of England. And England does sometimes bring players from other countries. So probably India might actually oppose this idea.

Quote from: Compromise me on December 14, 2023, 10:47:28 AM

In my opinion, for playing cricket talent matters a lot. It doesn't depend the country is poor or rich. But one thing matters , Government supports cricket or not. If government will provide support to players them youngsters will arise. And they will be motivate and they will do hard work day and night. And one good player can make the base of country and that is good path to remains in to World of Cricket. Indian public is very passionate about cricket,that is why they are top in cricket. Population and money does not depend on quality players.

If a country is poor, they are going to have to worry about how to feed their people. They will have to think about the infrastructure first instead of playing cricket. They will have much more to worry about. And that will eventually make them not be very interested in cricket. And even if they start to think about cricket, they are not going to do very good at it and they will eventually end up losing money from it. So I think if a country is poor it is definitely going to have an effect.

op I agree with you. That's because if a country is poor then first of all the government of that country will think about how its people are well. First, the government of the country where there is poverty will try to provide good employment to its people. Then the government should first look at various aspects of education system and medical field. Then comes the cricket, they will consider the cricket of the poor country a little later.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 15, 2023, 09:44:42 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 14, 2023, 11:35:38 AM

Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.

Lol love the Anant-Moitra example but anyway.

My emphasis wasn't on whether 100 bucks are sufficient amount for players or not. I was saying that even if players are set to play a minimum of 10 actual matches every year and the remaining match exists only on paper, in this case, accusations don't hold much weight because numbers are not adding up.

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Quote from: DanWalker on December 14, 2023, 06:49:30 AM

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

Maybe you are right in your view about this all but now this can't go for long time because we have first dropped of change through Oman and most chances as things will be gone in positive way we will have changes in teams and mostly will try to go with their native players because this is the best way and ICC surely will also act as we have rules in IOC for the games, so even money can't bring anything positive for the countries which are having adopted players.

Africa region is surely doing impressive work and now few other Asian countries are also bringing things like these which will give them better results and more money because in near future we will have more money with viewership is going to increase, but again we need strong act from the ICC which can bring good changes and more money just keep going with their positive mind for the change.

For ICC to actually take strong steps about this, they will definitely want to have the approval of the Indian Cricket Board. First I thought the Indian Cricket Board should not oppose this idea. But then I realized India is currently a friend of England. And England does sometimes bring players from other countries. So probably India might actually oppose this idea.

Quote from: Compromise me on December 14, 2023, 10:47:28 AM

In my opinion, for playing cricket talent matters a lot. It doesn't depend the country is poor or rich. But one thing matters , Government supports cricket or not. If government will provide support to players them youngsters will arise. And they will be motivate and they will do hard work day and night. And one good player can make the base of country and that is good path to remains in to World of Cricket. Indian public is very passionate about cricket,that is why they are top in cricket. Population and money does not depend on quality players.

If a country is poor, they are going to have to worry about how to feed their people. They will have to think about the infrastructure first instead of playing cricket. They will have much more to worry about. And that will eventually make them not be very interested in cricket. And even if they start to think about cricket, they are not going to do very good at it and they will eventually end up losing money from it. So I think if a country is poor it is definitely going to have an effect.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 14, 2023, 11:35:38 AM

Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.

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Not sure how it would be successful or not or pan out as they are hoping but you have to give credit to the BCCI for trying to find new ways to print money. At least In India, they are trying to tap and reach out to any potential market.

Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cricket/exclusive-bcci-readies-plans-to-launch-a-tier-2-white-ball-tournament-similar-to-ipl-11908511.html

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 13, 2023, 10:13:36 PM

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@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.

It is a big scam that is going on. Take Czech Republic for example. There is a small Indian-Pakistani community that is mostly comprised of medical students and other temporary visitors. They have formed 5-6 cricket clubs that play against each other on weekends. A lot often, these matches exist only on paper. This is the Czech Republic national league. The cricket board, as well as the national team players all come from this community and there is not a single citizen who is part of this system. ICC provides around $100,000 per year in funds and the board divides this amount between the 100-120 club players, without spending any of that in development. And this is not an isolated case. In many of the European countries, this scam is going on.

When we have Indian and Pakistani, and we have no scam mostly I feel joke, so things like these can go for some time and as we will have positive development and better check from ICC and domestic authorities we can expect changes as well because Czech Republic is small country which is famous for the soccer, ice hockey and tennis with not good intention for the cricket but good thing happening these guys are doing positive for the game even on papers.

Here we need ICC to have their own system as well like FIFA is doing, and their experts are going in every country where they are checking all stuff and then giving them funds which is surely helpful for the game and also increasing the game quality and performance of the many countries as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 13, 2023, 10:13:36 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on December 13, 2023, 09:59:35 PM

@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.

It is a big scam that is going on. Take Czech Republic for example. There is a small Indian-Pakistani community that is mostly comprised of medical students and other temporary visitors. They have formed 5-6 cricket clubs that play against each other on weekends. A lot often, these matches exist only on paper. This is the Czech Republic national league. The cricket board, as well as the national team players all come from this community and there is not a single citizen who is part of this system. ICC provides around $100,000 per year in funds and the board divides this amount between the 100-120 club players, without spending any of that in development. And this is not an isolated case. In many of the European countries, this scam is going on.

Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

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Quote from: DanWalker on December 14, 2023, 06:49:30 AM

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

In my opinion, for playing cricket talent matters a lot. It doesn't depend the country is poor or rich. But one thing matters , Government supports cricket or not. If government will provide support to players them youngsters will arise. And they will be motivate and they will do hard work day and night. And one good player can make the base of country and that is good path to remains in to World of Cricket. Indian public is very passionate about cricket,that is why they are top in cricket. Population and money does not depend on quality players.

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Quote from: DanWalker on December 14, 2023, 06:49:30 AM

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

Maybe you are right in your view about this all but now this can't go for long time because we have first dropped of change through Oman and most chances as things will be gone in positive way we will have changes in teams and mostly will try to go with their native players because this is the best way and ICC surely will also act as we have rules in IOC for the games, so even money can't bring anything positive for the countries which are having adopted players.

Africa region is surely doing impressive work and now few other Asian countries are also bringing things like these which will give them better results and more money because in near future we will have more money with viewership is going to increase, but again we need strong act from the ICC which can bring good changes and more money just keep going with their positive mind for the change.

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Quote from: wiss19 on December 14, 2023, 12:50:01 AM

There is no doubt we are going to have good changes in this game just because of Olympics and Asian games which have their own system and all countries need to follow this, but it's starting from Oman it's perfect news for the cricketing fans because if they will jump in this game with their native players then surely we will have good improvement in quality and performance of many countries, and they will also give this a try which is going to bring positive results for this game.

Currently, we have African region which is going mostly with their native players and now this change will surely bring change into this region as well and ASEAN is also having good chance which will bring more countries and strong control for the Asian region countries to adopt and having good revenue from this game as well.

African nations have made rapid progress in both men's and women's game over the years and I agree with your statement that almost all of the teams in this region are dominated by native players. In Asia, it is mixed. There are teams like UAE and Oman, which are comprised primarily of expat players, but at the same time teams like Malaysia and Nepal are 100% native. Another problematic area is Europe, where most of the teams are 100% expat. Same can be said about the North/South American teams as well. And in Oceania, it is almost all native.

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

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Yesterday was the draft of PSL 9, and I think that the strongest team in this PSL is Islamad United because the main reason is that there are three brothers from Shah means Naseem Shah, Hunain Shah, and Ubaid Shah picked from Islamad United, they are all brothers and they are all play for the same team in this PSL.

And if we look at Naseem Shah's brother's performances so Hunain Shah played very well in National Cup, he equally bowling like Naseem Shah, and where the talk of Ubaid Shah so we have seen his performance in U19 Asia Cup.

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Quote from: wiss19 on December 14, 2023, 12:50:01 AM

There is no doubt we are going to have good changes in this game just because of Olympics and Asian games which have their own system and all countries need to follow this, but it's starting from Oman it's perfect news for the cricketing fans because if they will jump in this game with their native players then surely we will have good improvement in quality and performance of many countries, and they will also give this a try which is going to bring positive results for this game.

Currently, we have African region which is going mostly with their native players and now this change will surely bring change into this region as well and ASEAN is also having good chance which will bring more countries and strong control for the Asian region countries to adopt and having good revenue from this game as well.

African nations have made rapid progress in both men's and women's game over the years and I agree with your statement that almost all of the teams in this region are dominated by native players. In Asia, it is mixed. There are teams like UAE and Oman, which are comprised primarily of expat players, but at the same time teams like Malaysia and Nepal are 100% native. Another problematic area is Europe, where most of the teams are 100% expat. Same can be said about the North/South American teams as well. And in Oceania, it is almost all native.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 12, 2023, 12:19:03 AM

Cricket was included in the Olympic Games just a few weeks back and already it is having an impact in international cricket. Oman Cricket Board has decided to form a cricket team solely comprised of citizens, so that they can compete in Asian Games and Olympics.

https://timesofoman.com/article/139411-oman-cricket-plans-to-send-all-omani-team-for-asian-games-and-olympics

So far Oman Cricket has identified a pool of 16 natives, to be captained by Sufyan Mehmood. They are planning to expand this to 20. This is a good sign, BTW. Ideally only citizens should be permitted to take part in national team matches. ICC has come up with this weird eligibility criteria, which makes it possible to have a national team to be comprised of 100% non-citizens.

There is no doubt we are going to have good changes in this game just because of Olympics and Asian games which have their own system and all countries need to follow this, but it's starting from Oman it's perfect news for the cricketing fans because if they will jump in this game with their native players then surely we will have good improvement in quality and performance of many countries, and they will also give this a try which is going to bring positive results for this game.

Currently, we have African region which is going mostly with their native players and now this change will surely bring change into this region as well and ASEAN is also having good chance which will bring more countries and strong control for the Asian region countries to adopt and having good revenue from this game as well.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 13, 2023, 09:59:35 PM

@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.

It is a big scam that is going on. Take Czech Republic for example. There is a small Indian-Pakistani community that is mostly comprised of medical students and other temporary visitors. They have formed 5-6 cricket clubs that play against each other on weekends. A lot often, these matches exist only on paper. This is the Czech Republic national league. The cricket board, as well as the national team players all come from this community and there is not a single citizen who is part of this system. ICC provides around $100,000 per year in funds and the board divides this amount between the 100-120 club players, without spending any of that in development. And this is not an isolated case. In many of the European countries, this scam is going on.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 12, 2023, 12:19:03 AM

~snip~

At least something positive came out of it, which was about to happen once the Olympic tag came along with the cricket.

It'll still take some time because atm few teams are participating in it but it's an amazing update and I am sure more associate teams will follow the same, not in the short term but surely things will look juicy in the next 4-8 years as far as local participation in the squad is concerned.

I am a bit more skeptical in case of some of the other countries. There are complaints that some of the associate boards are acting like closed cabals (especially those in Czech Republic, Norway, Belgium and many other European countries). Cricket teams in these countries are mostly comprised of medical students and temporary workers from the sub-continent. They are not interested in spreading cricket and are only interested in the funds that get disributed from ICC every year. There is no push from these boards to spread cricket to the native population, because doing so would mean distributing the ICC funds to more people.

@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 13, 2023, 05:30:52 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on December 12, 2023, 12:19:03 AM

~snip~

At least something positive came out of it, which was about to happen once the Olympic tag came along with the cricket.

It'll still take some time because atm few teams are participating in it but it's an amazing update and I am sure more associate teams will follow the same, not in the short term but surely things will look juicy in the next 4-8 years as far as local participation in the squad is concerned.

I am a bit more skeptical in case of some of the other countries. There are complaints that some of the associate boards are acting like closed cabals (especially those in Czech Republic, Norway, Belgium and many other European countries). Cricket teams in these countries are mostly comprised of medical students and temporary workers from the sub-continent. They are not interested in spreading cricket and are only interested in the funds that get disributed from ICC every year. There is no push from these boards to spread cricket to the native population, because doing so would mean distributing the ICC funds to more people.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 12, 2023, 12:19:03 AM

~snip~

At least something positive came out of it, which was about to happen once the Olympic tag came along with the cricket.

It'll still take some time because atm few teams are participating in it but it's an amazing update and I am sure more associate teams will follow the same, not in the short term but surely things will look juicy in the next 4-8 years as far as local participation in the squad is concerned.

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Quote from: roksana.hee on December 10, 2023, 10:10:50 AM

I much appreciate you as a strong team is India U19 but on the other hand, you already watched the performance of Azan's 105 runs from 130 balls, also watch the performance of Saad's 68 runs from 51 balls, and the most attacking batsman 63 runs from 88 balls. Best wishes for Pakistani Cricket U19. Congratulations on your combined performance.

Today was the match of Nepal and India, and what a great victory by India, I can't believe that a team like India can easily defeat Nepal, the Nepal team is not big but they are a good team, but on the other hand, the big team is in front of Nepal, so, of course, Nepal cannot be able to win that.

Nepal should be happy because their small team at least plays with the biggest and unluckiest team, I am saying unluckiest team because they always lose the final or semi-final, I don't need to explain that in which recent ICC tournament they lose because if you watch cricket so you knew this.

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