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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 07, 2023, 09:26:12 PM

You are suggesting that teams such as Nepal and Namibia should pack their squads with foreigners from India and Pakistan and that will help them to win matches. But what is the point, if all the teams do that? There will be no diversity in cricket and it will become a game solely played by people of South Asian origin. Already the impact is being felt in countries such as Danmark and Netherlands. Previously these teams used to be comprised of mainly native players. But now the national team is mostly South Asian and as a result native children are rapidly losing their interest in the sport. In the long term, inclusion of foreign players do more harm than good.

I agree because if we have situation like this surely it's going to be worst for the game and many other bad things can create more problems here even right now ICC is having nothing to do with this all and teams like the USA, UAE, Netherlands and Denmark enjoying things with South Asian players, but we can hope we will have drastically changes in near future and ICC surely will bring solid policy about this all which is encouraged teams with native players take good advantage, and we will have no team with 100% adopted players as it's all against the spirit of the game.

Nepal and Namibia having good future in this game, and we can expect better results from Kenya and Zimbabwe as well, even it's not easy, but changes can happen any time in any team with better management and improved domestic setup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 07, 2023, 09:26:12 PM

Quote from: noormcs5 on April 07, 2023, 06:43:11 PM

Everyone is saying that Namibia is a strong team and they have native players and should qualify but then why did they lose the matches and therefore unable to qualify? This means that UAE / USA injected non-native players who are better than the native players and therefore their team qualifies. Being able to qualify as a nation is more important than including only native players in the team only to result in a loss.

I also want that the teams should only consist of native players, but when there are no such rules by ICC, Namibia could have taken advantage of this and included two or three foreign players and qualified.

I really don't agree with this suggestion. You are suggesting that teams such as Nepal and Namibia should pack their squads with foreigners from India and Pakistan and that will help them to win matches. But what is the point, if all the teams do that? There will be no diversity in cricket and it will become a game solely played by people of South Asian origin. Already the impact is being felt in countries such as Danmark and Netherlands. Previously these teams used to be comprised of mainly native players. But now the national team is mostly South Asian and as a result native children are rapidly losing their interest in the sport. In the long term, inclusion of foreign players do more harm than good.

There is no point in this if you have native players who play cricket and you can make a team with them than why adding non native players in your national team .
If Namibia have good players with them their cricket boards should just train and polish them to make a good team .
USA and UAE don't have native players that play cricket that's why they made a team by using Asian players.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on April 07, 2023, 06:43:11 PM

Everyone is saying that Namibia is a strong team and they have native players and should qualify but then why did they lose the matches and therefore unable to qualify? This means that UAE / USA injected non-native players who are better than the native players and therefore their team qualifies. Being able to qualify as a nation is more important than including only native players in the team only to result in a loss.

I also want that the teams should only consist of native players, but when there are no such rules by ICC, Namibia could have taken advantage of this and included two or three foreign players and qualified.

I really don't agree with this suggestion. You are suggesting that teams such as Nepal and Namibia should pack their squads with foreigners from India and Pakistan and that will help them to win matches. But what is the point, if all the teams do that? There will be no diversity in cricket and it will become a game solely played by people of South Asian origin. Already the impact is being felt in countries such as Danmark and Netherlands. Previously these teams used to be comprised of mainly native players. But now the national team is mostly South Asian and as a result native children are rapidly losing their interest in the sport. In the long term, inclusion of foreign players do more harm than good.

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Quote from: darewaller on April 07, 2023, 03:54:24 PM

Quote from: Sweminer777 on April 07, 2023, 12:50:47 PM

I actually really feel bad that two teams, UAE, and USA, both of which are made up of foreign players, are going to be qualified. I really wanted to see teams that are made out of native players being qualified. But that did not happen. And of course, it is always going to be hard to happen.

After all, they are playing in the team as foreign players for a reason. This really should change very fast. Otherwise, cricket is not going to be alive amongst the associate nations, which are actually trying to find talent and not buy them.

We have six teams in this qualifying round with three having native players and three are with adopted players which are having good advantage, but sadly ICC is not interested in any solid policy about this all because of their inner politics so just because of this many countries are suffering like Namibia, PNG and Nepal and few countries are taking good results just because of their adoption policy which is helping them even in long run it's never been positive thing I was expecting USA and Canada to qualify from here, but sadly Canada lost against Namibia and this was big below for them which bring them down in table and UAE take good advantage of this and having spot in qualifying round which is now going to play before World Cup 2023 in India.

ICC Cricket World Cup Qualifier Play-off 2023 has been concluded with USA and UAE finishing at the top. You pointed it right teams like UAE has zero native player rather all are invited from South Asia. Since UAE is a rich country they won't have any problem in paying expats but this is creating negative impact on teams like Nepal. Recently Nepal took over UAE by finish 3rd in WORLD CUP LEAGUE 2, which is an indication that there team is getting experience and gaining momentum with time.

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Quote from: Sweminer777 on April 07, 2023, 12:50:47 PM

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 04, 2023, 10:58:26 PM

@Sithara007 so far it’s clear that USA should easily qualify, and Namibia will be praying that other results go their way otherwise they’ll fail to qualify and here I feel had they beaten UAE then they would be in a safer spot. Also at this stage I too expect UAE to win, but I hope that they don’t play in overconfidence and end up suffering an loss which could harm their chances of qualifying.

The other results didn't went their way, and as a result United Arab Emirates and United States of America have qualified for the next round. Namibia is one of the strongest associate sides, and I feel bad for them that they couldn't qualify. They have a 100% native squad, when compared to both the USA and UAE, whose squads are almost 100% non-citizen. Anyway, for Namibia there is no excuse for losing matches against teams like United States and the United Arab Emirates. They managed to win only 3 out of 5 matches.

I actually really feel bad that two teams, UAE, and USA, both of which are made up of foreign players, are going to be qualified. I really wanted to see teams that are made out of native players being qualified. But that did not happen. And of course, it is always going to be hard to happen.

After all, they are playing in the team as foreign players for a reason. This really should change very fast. Otherwise, cricket is not going to be alive amongst the associate nations, which are actually trying to find talent and not buy them.

Everyone is saying that Namibia is a strong team and they have native players and should qualify but then why did they lose the matches and therefore unable to qualify? This means that UAE / USA injected non-native players who are better than the native players and therefore their team qualifies. Being able to qualify as a nation is more important than including only native players in the team only to result in a loss.

I also want that the teams should only consist of native players, but when there are no such rules by ICC, Namibia could have taken advantage of this and included two or three foreign players and qualified.

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Quote from: Sweminer777 on April 07, 2023, 12:50:47 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 06, 2023, 09:21:00 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on April 04, 2023, 10:58:26 PM

@Sithara007 so far it’s clear that USA should easily qualify, and Namibia will be praying that other results go their way otherwise they’ll fail to qualify and here I feel had they beaten UAE then they would be in a safer spot. Also at this stage I too expect UAE to win, but I hope that they don’t play in overconfidence and end up suffering an loss which could harm their chances of qualifying.

The other results didn't went their way, and as a result United Arab Emirates and United States of America have qualified for the next round. Namibia is one of the strongest associate sides, and I feel bad for them that they couldn't qualify. They have a 100% native squad, when compared to both the USA and UAE, whose squads are almost 100% non-citizen. Anyway, for Namibia there is no excuse for losing matches against teams like United States and the United Arab Emirates. They managed to win only 3 out of 5 matches.

I actually really feel bad that two teams, UAE, and USA, both of which are made up of foreign players, are going to be qualified. I really wanted to see teams that are made out of native players being qualified. But that did not happen. And of course, it is always going to be hard to happen.

After all, they are playing in the team as foreign players for a reason. This really should change very fast. Otherwise, cricket is not going to be alive amongst the associate nations, which are actually trying to find talent and not buy them.

This is true, but this is common in cricket. Not the low order teams, almost every team have got foreign players. Asian players were found much on other nations, because it is quite hard for them to get opportunity in their home countries. Another thing these players doesn't move to another country with the plan of playing for the immigrant country. Everyone have moved for their life and career progress, by the time opportunities were well utilised. So, this shouldn't be considered a big issue that the team with native players weren't able to qualify.

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Quote from: Sweminer777 on April 07, 2023, 12:50:47 PM

I actually really feel bad that two teams, UAE, and USA, both of which are made up of foreign players, are going to be qualified. I really wanted to see teams that are made out of native players being qualified. But that did not happen. And of course, it is always going to be hard to happen.

After all, they are playing in the team as foreign players for a reason. This really should change very fast. Otherwise, cricket is not going to be alive amongst the associate nations, which are actually trying to find talent and not buy them.

We have six teams in this qualifying round with three having native players and three are with adopted players which are having good advantage, but sadly ICC is not interested in any solid policy about this all because of their inner politics so just because of this many countries are suffering like Namibia, PNG and Nepal and few countries are taking good results just because of their adoption policy which is helping them even in long run it's never been positive thing I was expecting USA and Canada to qualify from here, but sadly Canada lost against Namibia and this was big below for them which bring them down in table and UAE take good advantage of this and having spot in qualifying round which is now going to play before World Cup 2023 in India.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 06, 2023, 09:21:00 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on April 04, 2023, 10:58:26 PM

@Sithara007 so far it’s clear that USA should easily qualify, and Namibia will be praying that other results go their way otherwise they’ll fail to qualify and here I feel had they beaten UAE then they would be in a safer spot. Also at this stage I too expect UAE to win, but I hope that they don’t play in overconfidence and end up suffering an loss which could harm their chances of qualifying.

The other results didn't went their way, and as a result United Arab Emirates and United States of America have qualified for the next round. Namibia is one of the strongest associate sides, and I feel bad for them that they couldn't qualify. They have a 100% native squad, when compared to both the USA and UAE, whose squads are almost 100% non-citizen. Anyway, for Namibia there is no excuse for losing matches against teams like United States and the United Arab Emirates. They managed to win only 3 out of 5 matches.

I actually really feel bad that two teams, UAE, and USA, both of which are made up of foreign players, are going to be qualified. I really wanted to see teams that are made out of native players being qualified. But that did not happen. And of course, it is always going to be hard to happen.

After all, they are playing in the team as foreign players for a reason. This really should change very fast. Otherwise, cricket is not going to be alive amongst the associate nations, which are actually trying to find talent and not buy them.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 04, 2023, 10:58:26 PM

@Sithara007 so far it’s clear that USA should easily qualify, and Namibia will be praying that other results go their way otherwise they’ll fail to qualify and here I feel had they beaten UAE then they would be in a safer spot. Also at this stage I too expect UAE to win, but I hope that they don’t play in overconfidence and end up suffering an loss which could harm their chances of qualifying.

The other results didn't went their way, and as a result United Arab Emirates and United States of America have qualified for the next round. Namibia is one of the strongest associate sides, and I feel bad for them that they couldn't qualify. They have a 100% native squad, when compared to both the USA and UAE, whose squads are almost 100% non-citizen. Anyway, for Namibia there is no excuse for losing matches against teams like United States and the United Arab Emirates. They managed to win only 3 out of 5 matches.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 04, 2023, 10:58:26 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 04, 2023, 09:01:23 PM

Anyone following the ICC Cricket World Cup Qualifier Play-off? United States of America has already qualified for the next phase (2023 Cricket World Cup Qualifier), since they have 8 points from 5 matches. In all probability, United Arab Emirates will be the second team to qualify, as they have 6 points currently and have one match against Jersey remaining. Jersey has lost 3 out of their 4 matches so far, and is a foregone conclusion that UAE will win the match and qualify for the next phase with 8 points. Namibia will fail to qualify, after they only managed to win 3 out of 5 matches.

@Sithara007 so far it’s clear that USA should easily qualify, and Namibia will be praying that other results go their way otherwise they’ll fail to qualify and here I feel had they beaten UAE then they would be in a safer spot. Also at this stage I too expect UAE to win, but I hope that they don’t play in overconfidence and end up suffering an loss which could harm their chances of qualifying.

USA and UAE are most likely to qualify. I know that if other results go in favor of Namibia, they might have a chance. But that chance looks very slim right now. USA and UAE have good spots set up for them right now and there should not be throwing it away from this situation. UAE should understand that everyone they are facing in the playoff does have the ability to beat them, so UAE should in no circumstances be overconfident about their ability.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 04, 2023, 09:01:23 PM

Anyone following the ICC Cricket World Cup Qualifier Play-off? United States of America has already qualified for the next phase (2023 Cricket World Cup Qualifier), since they have 8 points from 5 matches. In all probability, United Arab Emirates will be the second team to qualify, as they have 6 points currently and have one match against Jersey remaining. Jersey has lost 3 out of their 4 matches so far, and is a foregone conclusion that UAE will win the match and qualify for the next phase with 8 points. Namibia will fail to qualify, after they only managed to win 3 out of 5 matches.

@Sithara007 so far it’s clear that USA should easily qualify, and Namibia will be praying that other results go their way otherwise they’ll fail to qualify and here I feel had they beaten UAE then they would be in a safer spot. Also at this stage I too expect UAE to win, but I hope that they don’t play in overconfidence and end up suffering an loss which could harm their chances of qualifying.

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Anyone following the ICC Cricket World Cup Qualifier Play-off? United States of America has already qualified for the next phase (2023 Cricket World Cup Qualifier), since they have 8 points from 5 matches. In all probability, United Arab Emirates will be the second team to qualify, as they have 6 points currently and have one match against Jersey remaining. Jersey has lost 3 out of their 4 matches so far, and is a foregone conclusion that UAE will win the match and qualify for the next phase with 8 points. Namibia will fail to qualify, after they only managed to win 3 out of 5 matches.

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Between I never knew that Babar Azam has been nicknamed as Bobby until I read this post. Cricket is famous sports in India and it has taken a form of proper industry that generates huge revenue. It may be because Indian Education department has decided to teach cricket to young students from very start so that they can be part of that industry as they grow up. There are ten players in this list 3 are foreigners while rest of 7 are all Indian big names.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 01, 2023, 08:34:09 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 01, 2023, 09:04:10 AM

It was a joke tho, just to prove a point. Personally, I don't support this notion.

Well.. I am serious. If Oman and UAE can field India X or India Z teams by importing players, then why can't the BCCI field a few more additional teams? At least in this case, the quality will be much better. Because most of the players in the UAE squad are Indian Ranji Trophy players who couldn't carve out a regular spot in their state team. If the BCCI sends 2-3 additional teams, then it will be comprised of quality players. Right now there are at least 30-40 quality players who can't be included in the senior team because there are no vacant spots. I am talking about players such as Venkatesh Iyer, Kuldeep Sen and T Natarajan. These guys don't deserve to play in the ICC tournaments?

I know your stand on this issue as we have already discussed this in our previous interactions.

BCCI can indeed field a minimum of 2 teams for every format and I sympathize with the sentiment that so many talents hardly get any chance to wear Indian colors in the ICC tournaments.

But at the same time I've never witnessed any sort of discussion on this particular idea, be it media, pundits or even BCCI, maybe because of the basic logic of " One country, one national team".

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 01, 2023, 09:04:10 AM

It was a joke tho, just to prove a point. Personally, I don't support this notion.

Well.. I am serious. If Oman and UAE can field India X or India Z teams by importing players, then why can't the BCCI field a few more additional teams? At least in this case, the quality will be much better. Because most of the players in the UAE squad are Indian Ranji Trophy players who couldn't carve out a regular spot in their state team. If the BCCI sends 2-3 additional teams, then it will be comprised of quality players. Right now there are at least 30-40 quality players who can't be included in the senior team because there are no vacant spots. I am talking about players such as Venkatesh Iyer, Kuldeep Sen and T Natarajan. These guys don't deserve to play in the ICC tournaments?

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Normally i am not against the migration of players but at the same time, I'd like to see the organic growth of cricket in specific countries and the fact is most of the time these teams look almost fake (would be much better if they allow India to field 4 teams lol). We hardly see any local players in many teams and in gulf countries, players don't even have a nationality.

The solution is simple, give them nationality or add at least 50% of local. Doesn't matter if any tax heaven countries have a team or not, building an office over there is just good for business.

These nations does not provide citizenships not even to Arabs from Jordan, Lebanon or Egypt who are living as refugees for decades or even born in the UAE even after a generation. The local Arabs in the UAE does not play Cricket, they only play or watch Football and love their sheesha Grin

. There are many Cricket clubs and every club will have their teams competing against each other and i have personally played in these tournaments and majority are from India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and there are many tournaments round the clock where you will be able to earn money and to be able to play for UAE you need to have a resident Visa and you need to live their for 4 years to get involved in the selection trials that is conducted.

In a hypothetical situation where you force the local Arabs to play the game who gets everything for free from the government, they will choose Football than Cricket.

We all know cricket is mostly common and loved in few countries, Arabswere never into cricket and thats the reason they never does something for evolution and improvement of this in their country. They are into football, motor sports, camel racing and many more that's why they have a team of all the outsiders .

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Quote from: eaLiTy on March 31, 2023, 03:19:26 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on March 31, 2023, 01:35:06 PM

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Normally i am not against the migration of players but at the same time, I'd like to see the organic growth of cricket in specific countries and the fact is most of the time these teams look almost fake (would be much better if they allow India to field 4 teams lol). We hardly see any local players in many teams and in gulf countries, players don't even have a nationality.

The solution is simple, give them nationality or add at least 50% of local. Doesn't matter if any tax heaven countries have a team or not, building an office over there is just good for business.

These nations does not provide citizenships not even to Arabs from Jordan, Lebanon or Egypt who are living as refugees for decades or even born in the UAE even after a generation. The local Arabs in the UAE does not play Cricket, they only play or watch Football and love their sheesha Grin

. There are many Cricket clubs and every club will have their teams competing against each other and i have personally played in these tournaments and majority are from India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and there are many tournaments round the clock where you will be able to earn money and to be able to play for UAE you need to have a resident Visa and you need to live their for 4 years to get involved in the selection trials that is conducted.

In a hypothetical situation where you force the local Arabs to play the game who gets everything for free from the government, they will choose Football than Cricket.

UAE and USA cricket teams are very mixed they formed the team by boys from India, Pakistan, sikh communities . But the point is why to do this much effort if you don't have native players and boys from your own country to represent cricket thoroughly.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on March 31, 2023, 03:19:26 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on March 31, 2023, 01:35:06 PM

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Normally i am not against the migration of players but at the same time, I'd like to see the organic growth of cricket in specific countries and the fact is most of the time these teams look almost fake (would be much better if they allow India to field 4 teams lol). We hardly see any local players in many teams and in gulf countries, players don't even have a nationality.

The solution is simple, give them nationality or add at least 50% of local. Doesn't matter if any tax heaven countries have a team or not, building an office over there is just good for business.

These nations does not provide citizenships not even to Arabs from Jordan, Lebanon or Egypt who are living as refugees for decades or even born in the UAE even after a generation. The local Arabs in the UAE does not play Cricket, they only play or watch Football and love their sheesha . There are many Cricket clubs and every club will have their teams competing against each other and i have personally played in these tournaments and majority are from India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and there are many tournaments round the clock where you will be able to earn money and to be able to play for UAE you need to have a resident Visa and you need to live their for 4 years to get involved in the selection trials that is conducted.

In a hypothetical situation where you force the local Arabs to play the game who gets everything for free from the government, they will choose Football than Cricket.

That's the main problem as there is virtually no space for any organic and grassroots growth of cricket in those countries and many fans don't like when ICC supports rich countries instead of developing countries like Nepal or Thailand (We saw what happened with their women's team).

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 31, 2023, 01:35:06 PM

(would be much better if they allow India to field 4 teams lol).

Well... that is the point. If most of the revenues are coming from India, then why can't India have a few more teams in the ICC competitions? In addition to the India seniors team, there can be the India U-25 (or even the U-23 team) and India A teams. Or it can be regional based teams. In addition to the senior side, there can be two teams representing North India and South India. Anyway Indian players are playing for teams such as Oman and the United Arab Emirates. So why can't allow them to field the best teams possible?

It was a joke tho, just to prove a point. Personally, I don't support this notion.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 31, 2023, 01:35:06 PM

Normally i am not against the migration of players but at the same time, I'd like to see the organic growth of cricket in specific countries and the fact is most of the time these teams look almost fake (would be much better if they allow India to field 4 teams lol). We hardly see any local players in many teams and in gulf countries, players don't even have a nationality.

The solution is simple, give them nationality or add at least 50% of local. Doesn't matter if any tax heaven countries have a team or not, building an office over there is just good for business.

Well... that is the point. If most of the revenues are coming from India, then why can't India have a few more teams in the ICC competitions? In addition to the India seniors team, there can be the India U-25 (or even the U-23 team) and India A teams. Or it can be regional based teams. In addition to the senior side, there can be two teams representing North India and South India. Anyway Indian players are playing for teams such as Oman and the United Arab Emirates. So why can't allow them to field the best teams possible?

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