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Quote from: Minor Miner on June 01, 2023, 01:36:15 PM

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

Agreed, it is the followers that make cricket more popular and people of India celebrates it. In Bangladesh for a win against India, the government declared it a national holiday. This is how countries have given importance to cricket. Along with these countries more countries have grown well amidst the infrastructure and economic situation in the country. Few of which were Nepal and Afghanistan which will turn to be strong team in the coming years. European countries celebrate football in similar style and Asian countries does it with cricket.

Asian continent cricket is beautiful and people of this continent enjoy cricket very much. Especially India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka have huge fans of cricket. Nepal has qualified for the upcoming Asia Cup and Asia Cup qualifiers.
In the qualifying matches of Nepal, I saw how much the people of Nepal can be cricket lovers. There was no empty space in the stadium where the game was played and those who could not get a seat in the stadium climbed the trees to enjoy the game thus supporting Nepal. And I believe if Nepal gets such support then Nepal will qualify for World Cup.

A look at the studios shows how much Asian people love cricket.

That true Asia whole is a cricket loving continent, most of the countries have successful team and there is diversity if talents in Asia that's why European countries and middle east cricket teams are made up of all the Asian players . They don't have many native players with them.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 01, 2023, 09:12:15 PM

Quote from: crunck on June 01, 2023, 12:40:12 PM

ICC has also made a rule that the teams which perform better will get more money. That is another problem because the teams which have foreign players in the squad are almost always going to perform better than any native squad. So that creates a loophole which actually benefits the teams which have foreign players in the squad. ICC should change the rules as soon as possible otherwise, it is actually going to result in the death of cricket.

The eligibility rules were changed in order to favor teams like the United Arab Emirates and the United States of America, who are the blue eyed boys of the ICC. The ICC even suggested the same to Chinese officials, but they hit back by saying that they won't include foreigners in their national team. I don't think that the eligibility criteria will be changed further. Because native cricket in Europe has almost become extinct outside England. Previously teams like Danmark and Italy used to field 100% native squads and they were among the best associate teams. But now they are fielding 100% foreigner teams and their rankings have gone down. Cricket clubs are closing down in these countries.

As things are going right now in Europe and England most chances we will have 100% players from Sub-continent because their native players are not going to have any interest in this game even now I was checking England is struggling with many players from Sub-continent are involved in counties which is big change and no one can do anything with mostly English youths are interested in Soccer and Rugby because it's their premier game.

If ECB fail to create anything positive for their youths then surely they could be big loser in this all because soccer and rugby players earning are far better than cricket players which is surely not ideal situation and ICC is surely had no intention to change their policies which are most important for giving back-up to these countries with the UAE and Gulf are surely taking good advantage of this all.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on June 01, 2023, 01:36:15 PM

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

Agreed, it is the followers that make cricket more popular and people of India celebrates it. In Bangladesh for a win against India, the government declared it a national holiday. This is how countries have given importance to cricket. Along with these countries more countries have grown well amidst the infrastructure and economic situation in the country. Few of which were Nepal and Afghanistan which will turn to be strong team in the coming years. European countries celebrate football in similar style and Asian countries does it with cricket.

Asian continent cricket is beautiful and people of this continent enjoy cricket very much. Especially India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka have huge fans of cricket. Nepal has qualified for the upcoming Asia Cup and Asia Cup qualifiers.
In the qualifying matches of Nepal, I saw how much the people of Nepal can be cricket lovers. There was no empty space in the stadium where the game was played and those who could not get a seat in the stadium climbed the trees to enjoy the game thus supporting Nepal. And I believe if Nepal gets such support then Nepal will qualify for World Cup.

A look at the studios shows how much Asian people love cricket.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 01, 2023, 05:12:02 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on June 01, 2023, 01:36:15 PM

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

Of course, India currently contributes a large share to the ICC's revenue, which is difficult to say whether any other cricket-loving nation would do. Because India is leading both in terms of popularity and population. Moreover, not only in Asia, India is currently leading the world in cricket. Every major cricketing country has a franchise cricket tournament but IPL is much more revenue generating with viewership than all those tournaments. Among the ICC's 12 full member countries, Asian countries have maintained a dominant position. It is easily recognize that cricket is now under the control of Asia.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 01, 2023, 05:12:02 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on June 01, 2023, 01:36:15 PM

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

Agreed, it is the followers that make cricket more popular and people of India celebrates it. In Bangladesh for a win against India, the government declared it a national holiday. This is how countries have given importance to cricket. Along with these countries more countries have grown well amidst the infrastructure and economic situation in the country. Few of which were Nepal and Afghanistan which will turn to be strong team in the coming years. European countries celebrate football in similar style and Asian countries does it with cricket.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on June 01, 2023, 01:36:15 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 01, 2023, 06:00:56 AM

Franchises won't give a green signal to the relegation system as it would affect the standing of losing franchises and it's directly related to the financial model of IPL, like the same amount of fixtures for each team.

6-month window idea seems to be on the table of BCCI but it's their long term goal, maybe in the next 15-20 years but it's definitely not gonna happen in this decade.

I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. .

For the relegation system or the IPL window to expand IPL needs to grow drastically in terms of teams, hypothetically let's say 10 more teams in the next decade.

But If we analyze the IPL expansion so far, then there is virtually no chance. I've mentioned earlier that the next 4 year deal is locked in based on 10 teams so there would be no expansion. There might be some chance of 12 teams (2 additional teams) IPL after the 2027 cycle.

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Quote from: crunck on June 01, 2023, 12:40:12 PM

ICC has also made a rule that the teams which perform better will get more money. That is another problem because the teams which have foreign players in the squad are almost always going to perform better than any native squad. So that creates a loophole which actually benefits the teams which have foreign players in the squad. ICC should change the rules as soon as possible otherwise, it is actually going to result in the death of cricket.

The eligibility rules were changed in order to favor teams like the United Arab Emirates and the United States of America, who are the blue eyed boys of the ICC. The ICC even suggested the same to Chinese officials, but they hit back by saying that they won't include foreigners in their national team. I don't think that the eligibility criteria will be changed further. Because native cricket in Europe has almost become extinct outside England. Previously teams like Danmark and Italy used to field 100% native squads and they were among the best associate teams. But now they are fielding 100% foreigner teams and their rankings have gone down. Cricket clubs are closing down in these countries.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on June 01, 2023, 01:36:15 PM

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 01, 2023, 05:26:46 AM

Quote from: Minor Miner on June 01, 2023, 03:42:15 AM

I honestly think by the time 2031 comes, there is actually going to be a relegation system for the IPL. My prediction is that the IPL is actually going to be that big in 2031. I am also not going to be surprised if the IPL is actually going on throughout 6 months by that time. We all know that the IPL is basically ruling the cricket world right now. They have the most amount of popularity. The only thing that surpasses the popular city of the IPL is probably the world cup matches and if there is a Pakistan versus India match

I really doubt whether a promotion-relegation system can be implemented in the Indian Premier League. In order to add new teams to the IPL, the BCCI need permission from the existing franchise owners (please correct me in case I am wrong). And this makes it impossible to relegate any of the teams, because the owners are not going to agree. EPL is a lot different from the IPL. There are no player auctions or purse limits in the EPL. In IPL these are implemented in order to make sure that there is a level playing field. Both the systems do have their own advantages and disadvantages.

Well, I think there is actually a simple solution. The new teams which are going to be added to the IPL will be in the second league. They will have to get promoted to the better one to perform. And of course, the team which is going to be the last on the table is going to get relegated and the one winning the second league will get promoted. But at the same time, it is also very true that whoever is going to invest in a team is not going to want to see their team get relegated or start in the second league.

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Franchises won't give a green signal to the relegation system as it would affect the standing of losing franchises and it's directly related to the financial model of IPL, like the same amount of fixtures for each team.

6-month window idea seems to be on the table of BCCI but it's their long term goal, maybe in the next 15-20 years but it's definitely not gonna happen in this decade.

I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

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It is going to turn out to be a good thing for the associate nations in my opinion. They really need some more money from the ICC to actually improve it is good to see that they are speaking out about that. But what I am worried about is the money that is going to be given to the associate Nations are going to be used by the teams which have foreign players in the squad to get more foreign players in the squad and they will reign supreme over the other teams which do not have the luxury to bring in foreign players.

Associate nations are suffering from a double whammy. Two decades back there were only 25-30 associate nations and almost all of them were composed of native players. Since the ICC changed the eligibility laws, the number of associate nations have increased to almost 100. And now the decreasing pot of funds are being divided by an increasing number of teams. And most of the funds obviously end up with fake teams like Belgium and Norway which doesn't have a single citizen in their squad.

ICC has also made a rule that the teams which perform better will get more money. That is another problem because the teams which have foreign players in the squad are almost always going to perform better than any native squad. So that creates a loophole which actually benefits the teams which have foreign players in the squad. ICC should change the rules as soon as possible otherwise, it is actually going to result in the death of cricket.

European countries have no interest in cricket they are more into football and other sports , Asian countries are more cricket lovers and that's the reason they have diversity of native players.
European teams are mostly made up of Asian players we see few native players in those teams .

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 31, 2023, 09:07:25 PM

Quote from: crunck on May 31, 2023, 12:46:35 PM

It is going to turn out to be a good thing for the associate nations in my opinion. They really need some more money from the ICC to actually improve it is good to see that they are speaking out about that. But what I am worried about is the money that is going to be given to the associate Nations are going to be used by the teams which have foreign players in the squad to get more foreign players in the squad and they will reign supreme over the other teams which do not have the luxury to bring in foreign players.

Associate nations are suffering from a double whammy. Two decades back there were only 25-30 associate nations and almost all of them were composed of native players. Since the ICC changed the eligibility laws, the number of associate nations have increased to almost 100. And now the decreasing pot of funds are being divided by an increasing number of teams. And most of the funds obviously end up with fake teams like Belgium and Norway which doesn't have a single citizen in their squad.

ICC has also made a rule that the teams which perform better will get more money. That is another problem because the teams which have foreign players in the squad are almost always going to perform better than any native squad. So that creates a loophole which actually benefits the teams which have foreign players in the squad. ICC should change the rules as soon as possible otherwise, it is actually going to result in the death of cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 30, 2023, 10:02:53 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on May 30, 2023, 01:05:02 PM

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I won't be surprised if by 2031 they extend the IPL to a 4-months window, with 20 or so teams competing in it (similar to the English Premier League). Bilateral cricket has lost its relevance as a result of one-sided matches. India is emerging as the sole super power in cricket (equivalent to what the United States is, as far as basketball is concerned). As a result of all this, the ICC will also lose their power and will be dependent on the scraps being thrown by the BCCI for its very survival. And with each passing year, the demands from BCCI are going to go up.

20 teams in the IPL by 2031 (or even 16 teams) seem a stretch to me and a very unlikely thing to happen. We have a fixed model of 10 teams till 2027 due to media rights.
In the best possible scenario, BCCI might add another 2 teams in the next cycle, given they continue with the 4 year cycle formula instead of 8 year cycle (it's not profitable).
White ball bilateral seems useless to me, only because we have an ICC tournament every year.

I honestly think by the time 2031 comes, there is actually going to be a relegation system for the IPL. My prediction is that the IPL is actually going to be that big in 2031. I am also not going to be surprised if the IPL is actually going on throughout 6 months by that time. We all know that the IPL is basically ruling the cricket world right now. They have the most amount of popularity. The only thing that surpasses the popular city of the IPL is probably the world cup matches and if there is a Pakistan versus India match

Already bilateral series are losing that importance all eyes and attention is on different leagues but ipl is on top right now and no other league is near them.
Popularity wise or money wise Indians are leading in different markets .

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Quote from: Minor Miner on June 01, 2023, 03:42:15 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 31, 2023, 01:02:13 AM

20 teams in the IPL by 2031 (or even 16 teams) seem a stretch to me and a very unlikely thing to happen. We have a fixed model of 10 teams till 2027 due to media rights.
In the best possible scenario, BCCI might add another 2 teams in the next cycle, given they continue with the 4 year cycle formula instead of 8 year cycle (it's not profitable).
White ball bilateral seems useless to me, only because we have an ICC tournament every year.

I honestly think by the time 2031 comes, there is actually going to be a relegation system for the IPL. My prediction is that the IPL is actually going to be that big in 2031. I am also not going to be surprised if the IPL is actually going on throughout 6 months by that time. We all know that the IPL is basically ruling the cricket world right now. They have the most amount of popularity. The only thing that surpasses the popular city of the IPL is probably the world cup matches and if there is a Pakistan versus India match

Franchises won't give a green signal to the relegation system as it would affect the standing of losing franchises and it's directly related to the financial model of IPL, like the same amount of fixtures for each team.

6-month window idea seems to be on the table of BCCI but it's their long term goal, maybe in the next 15-20 years but it's definitely not gonna happen in this decade.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on June 01, 2023, 03:42:15 AM

I honestly think by the time 2031 comes, there is actually going to be a relegation system for the IPL. My prediction is that the IPL is actually going to be that big in 2031. I am also not going to be surprised if the IPL is actually going on throughout 6 months by that time. We all know that the IPL is basically ruling the cricket world right now. They have the most amount of popularity. The only thing that surpasses the popular city of the IPL is probably the world cup matches and if there is a Pakistan versus India match

I really doubt whether a promotion-relegation system can be implemented in the Indian Premier League. In order to add new teams to the IPL, the BCCI need permission from the existing franchise owners (please correct me in case I am wrong). And this makes it impossible to relegate any of the teams, because the owners are not going to agree. EPL is a lot different from the IPL. There are no player auctions or purse limits in the EPL. In IPL these are implemented in order to make sure that there is a level playing field. Both the systems do have their own advantages and disadvantages.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 31, 2023, 01:02:13 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 30, 2023, 10:02:53 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on May 30, 2023, 01:05:02 PM

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I won't be surprised if by 2031 they extend the IPL to a 4-months window, with 20 or so teams competing in it (similar to the English Premier League). Bilateral cricket has lost its relevance as a result of one-sided matches. India is emerging as the sole super power in cricket (equivalent to what the United States is, as far as basketball is concerned). As a result of all this, the ICC will also lose their power and will be dependent on the scraps being thrown by the BCCI for its very survival. And with each passing year, the demands from BCCI are going to go up.

20 teams in the IPL by 2031 (or even 16 teams) seem a stretch to me and a very unlikely thing to happen. We have a fixed model of 10 teams till 2027 due to media rights.
In the best possible scenario, BCCI might add another 2 teams in the next cycle, given they continue with the 4 year cycle formula instead of 8 year cycle (it's not profitable).
White ball bilateral seems useless to me, only because we have an ICC tournament every year.

I honestly think by the time 2031 comes, there is actually going to be a relegation system for the IPL. My prediction is that the IPL is actually going to be that big in 2031. I am also not going to be surprised if the IPL is actually going on throughout 6 months by that time. We all know that the IPL is basically ruling the cricket world right now. They have the most amount of popularity. The only thing that surpasses the popular city of the IPL is probably the world cup matches and if there is a Pakistan versus India match

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Quote from: Rabata on May 31, 2023, 06:45:09 AM

Recommended Distribution Method shown by ICC for the year 2024-2027 is threatening to the entire world cricket. If such a policy is implemented, most of the cricket boards will suffer. Many cricket experts feel that such a decision should not be taken for the development of cricket.

The distribution methods should never be based on just one country. Moreover, more and more big countries will join cricket in long run. Therefore ICC must opt for a universal distribution method. I also personally think this distribution structure will have adverse effect on ICC. But since India is sharing a large revenue, India's percentage can definitely be increased slightly but it should not be more than 20 percent of the total budget.

In the previous cycle, BCCI was allotted 22% of the funds, and now it has been increased to 38.5%. This situation is not sustainable in the long run. Cricket will die out completely in all the other countries. ICC tournaments will lose their significance and cricket will be dominated by leagues such as IPL.

Quote from: crunck on May 31, 2023, 12:46:35 PM

It is going to turn out to be a good thing for the associate nations in my opinion. They really need some more money from the ICC to actually improve it is good to see that they are speaking out about that. But what I am worried about is the money that is going to be given to the associate Nations are going to be used by the teams which have foreign players in the squad to get more foreign players in the squad and they will reign supreme over the other teams which do not have the luxury to bring in foreign players.

Associate nations are suffering from a double whammy. Two decades back there were only 25-30 associate nations and almost all of them were composed of native players. Since the ICC changed the eligibility laws, the number of associate nations have increased to almost 100. And now the decreasing pot of funds are being divided by an increasing number of teams. And most of the funds obviously end up with fake teams like Belgium and Norway which doesn't have a single citizen in their squad.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 31, 2023, 01:37:13 AM

Finally the associate nations have spoken out.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/proposed-icc-revenue-model-threatens-growth-of-game-say-associate-members-1379141

The new revenue distribution model, which earmarks 38.5% of the ICC revenue for BCCI and 11.1% for the hundred or so associate members will be voted on next month, during the ICC board meeting in Durban. Among the full members, only the PCB has expressed their displeasure, at the revenue distribution model for 2024-27. One of the associate representatives (Sumod Damodar from Botswana) has already criticized the proposal. Tim Cutler from Vanuatu was another representative who expressed his displeasure.

It is going to turn out to be a good thing for the associate nations in my opinion. They really need some more money from the ICC to actually improve it is good to see that they are speaking out about that. But what I am worried about is the money that is going to be given to the associate Nations are going to be used by the teams which have foreign players in the squad to get more foreign players in the squad and they will reign supreme over the other teams which do not have the luxury to bring in foreign players.

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Recommended Distribution Method shown by ICC for the year 2024-2027 is threatening to the entire world cricket. If such a policy is implemented, most of the cricket boards will suffer. Many cricket experts feel that such a decision should not be taken for the development of cricket.

The distribution methods should never be based on just one country. Moreover, more and more big countries will join cricket in long run. Therefore ICC must opt for a universal distribution method. I also personally think this distribution structure will have adverse effect on ICC. But since India is sharing a large revenue, India's percentage can definitely be increased slightly but it should not be more than 20 percent of the total budget.

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Finally the associate nations have spoken out.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/proposed-icc-revenue-model-threatens-growth-of-game-say-associate-members-1379141

The new revenue distribution model, which earmarks 38.5% of the ICC revenue for BCCI and 11.1% for the hundred or so associate members will be voted on next month, during the ICC board meeting in Durban. Among the full members, only the PCB has expressed their displeasure, at the revenue distribution model for 2024-27. One of the associate representatives (Sumod Damodar from Botswana) has already criticized the proposal. Tim Cutler from Vanuatu was another representative who expressed his displeasure.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 30, 2023, 10:02:53 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on May 30, 2023, 01:05:02 PM

~snip~

I won't be surprised if by 2031 they extend the IPL to a 4-months window, with 20 or so teams competing in it (similar to the English Premier League). Bilateral cricket has lost its relevance as a result of one-sided matches. India is emerging as the sole super power in cricket (equivalent to what the United States is, as far as basketball is concerned). As a result of all this, the ICC will also lose their power and will be dependent on the scraps being thrown by the BCCI for its very survival. And with each passing year, the demands from BCCI are going to go up.

20 teams in the IPL by 2031 (or even 16 teams) seem a stretch to me and a very unlikely thing to happen. We have a fixed model of 10 teams till 2027 due to media rights.

In the best possible scenario, BCCI might add another 2 teams in the next cycle, given they continue with the 4 year cycle formula instead of 8 year cycle (it's not profitable).

White ball bilateral seems useless to me, only because we have an ICC tournament every year.

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