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Quote from: crunck on April 16, 2023, 05:27:09 AM

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 15, 2023, 07:00:06 AM

At this point, the BCCI receives 24% of the ICC revenues ($405 million out of $1.68 billion for 2015-23). This is set to be increased to somewhere between 32% and 40%. The other 11 test nations receive a total of 66.5% of the revenues ($1.115 billion). Associate funding stands at $160 million. That is 9.5% of the total funding for close to 100 teams.
I really don't think that the other test nations would like to witness a reduction in their funding. In the end, always it is the associate nations who will suffer. And even among the associate nations, mercenary teams like UAE and USA will get a higher share this time, thanks to their good performance during the world cup qualifiers.

Without any doubt a big mess-up in ICC and their distribution of funding to all the countries except India which is not going to solve in near future because no one care about this game mostly are working for their own share from this huge profit which is mostly coming from India due to big market of cricket even at this point; if we are having huge share from India, and we have no legislation or system how to distribute this all then India deserve the biggest share with all other test playing nations will also go for fair policy which is working right now and most affected parties are Associate Nations then most chances no one will go against this and things will be going ahead in this way for few more years as well until we have any suitable replacement for this system.
Here I have no problem about the USA as they are also next biggest market if we bring them in cycle in near future, but UAE is surely the biggest gainer in this all system and teams like Nepal and few others those are playing with all native players surely will get suffered.

It is just that they think about money before the future of cricket. If ICC was actually thoughtful about the future of cricket, they would have made a strict rule about having the number of foreign players in a team. I know that would have made the flow of money a little less. But I certainly believe that was going to make the future of cricket better. And the teams which have native players in the squad were going to genuinely improve a lot better.

ICC funding may seems unfair but this is a fact cricket is ruled by few countries big 3 and 3 more rest of the countries are not showing any improvement and they are still at status if associate nations. England, Australia, India, Pakistan, Newzealand, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Sirlanka that's the name we are listening in crickets world form long time .
There should be more teams and competition in cricket and for that all cri let boards should work.

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Quote from: justdimin on April 16, 2023, 03:53:42 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 15, 2023, 07:00:06 AM

At this point, the BCCI receives 24% of the ICC revenues ($405 million out of $1.68 billion for 2015-23). This is set to be increased to somewhere between 32% and 40%. The other 11 test nations receive a total of 66.5% of the revenues ($1.115 billion). Associate funding stands at $160 million. That is 9.5% of the total funding for close to 100 teams.
I really don't think that the other test nations would like to witness a reduction in their funding. In the end, always it is the associate nations who will suffer. And even among the associate nations, mercenary teams like UAE and USA will get a higher share this time, thanks to their good performance during the world cup qualifiers.

Without any doubt a big mess-up in ICC and their distribution of funding to all the countries except India which is not going to solve in near future because no one care about this game mostly are working for their own share from this huge profit which is mostly coming from India due to big market of cricket even at this point; if we are having huge share from India, and we have no legislation or system how to distribute this all then India deserve the biggest share with all other test playing nations will also go for fair policy which is working right now and most affected parties are Associate Nations then most chances no one will go against this and things will be going ahead in this way for few more years as well until we have any suitable replacement for this system.
Here I have no problem about the USA as they are also next biggest market if we bring them in cycle in near future, but UAE is surely the biggest gainer in this all system and teams like Nepal and few others those are playing with all native players surely will get suffered.

It is just that they think about money before the future of cricket. If ICC was actually thoughtful about the future of cricket, they would have made a strict rule about having the number of foreign players in a team. I know that would have made the flow of money a little less. But I certainly believe that was going to make the future of cricket better. And the teams which have native players in the squad were going to genuinely improve a lot better.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 15, 2023, 07:00:06 AM

At this point, the BCCI receives 24% of the ICC revenues ($405 million out of $1.68 billion for 2015-23). This is set to be increased to somewhere between 32% and 40%. The other 11 test nations receive a total of 66.5% of the revenues ($1.115 billion). Associate funding stands at $160 million. That is 9.5% of the total funding for close to 100 teams.

I really don't think that the other test nations would like to witness a reduction in their funding. In the end, always it is the associate nations who will suffer. And even among the associate nations, mercenary teams like UAE and USA will get a higher share this time, thanks to their good performance during the world cup qualifiers.

Without any doubt a big mess-up in ICC and their distribution of funding to all the countries except India which is not going to solve in near future because no one care about this game mostly are working for their own share from this huge profit which is mostly coming from India due to big market of cricket even at this point; if we are having huge share from India, and we have no legislation or system how to distribute this all then India deserve the biggest share with all other test playing nations will also go for fair policy which is working right now and most affected parties are Associate Nations then most chances no one will go against this and things will be going ahead in this way for few more years as well until we have any suitable replacement for this system.

Here I have no problem about the USA as they are also next biggest market if we bring them in cycle in near future, but UAE is surely the biggest gainer in this all system and teams like Nepal and few others those are playing with all native players surely will get suffered.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 15, 2023, 07:00:06 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 15, 2023, 03:07:21 AM

See the numbers are mindblowing and I told you so this last year. Australia fetching only $60 million is disturbing tho.

IMO final deal should be fair to 2 concerned parties BCCI and the associate nations. The former is bringing 90% of the money so they indeed deserve more and the latter parties need more support for the game.

Maybe all full members (except India) should get the same amount as the last cycle ($70-$120 Million), with this ICC could satisfy both BCCI and Associate nations.

At this point, the BCCI receives 24% of the ICC revenues ($405 million out of $1.68 billion for 2015-23). This is set to be increased to somewhere between 32% and 40%. The other 11 test nations receive a total of 66.5% of the revenues ($1.115 billion). Associate funding stands at $160 million. That is 9.5% of the total funding for close to 100 teams.

I really don't think that the other test nations would like to witness a reduction in their funding. In the end, always it is the associate nations who will suffer. And even among the associate nations, mercenary teams like UAE and USA will get a higher share this time, thanks to their good performance during the world cup qualifiers.

Keep pumping the same amount of $1.115 billion to other test nations. Obviously, percentage-wise their share will go down but the amount is still fair, considering hardly anyone brings any revenue to the table. Also keep in mind that this share is for only a 4-year cycle, in comparison to the previous 8 year cycle, it's a sweet deal.

The remaining $2.4 billion could be distributed among ICC profit and expenses($600 Million), Accociate Nations ($600M) and BCCI ($1.2 Billion)

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 15, 2023, 03:07:21 AM

See the numbers are mindblowing and I told you so this last year. Australia fetching only $60 million is disturbing tho.

IMO final deal should be fair to 2 concerned parties BCCI and the associate nations. The former is bringing 90% of the money so they indeed deserve more and the latter parties need more support for the game.

Maybe all full members (except India) should get the same amount as the last cycle ($70-$120 Million), with this ICC could satisfy both BCCI and Associate nations.

At this point, the BCCI receives 24% of the ICC revenues ($405 million out of $1.68 billion for 2015-23). This is set to be increased to somewhere between 32% and 40%. The other 11 test nations receive a total of 66.5% of the revenues ($1.115 billion). Associate funding stands at $160 million. That is 9.5% of the total funding for close to 100 teams.

I really don't think that the other test nations would like to witness a reduction in their funding. In the end, always it is the associate nations who will suffer. And even among the associate nations, mercenary teams like UAE and USA will get a higher share this time, thanks to their good performance during the world cup qualifiers.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 14, 2023, 09:29:34 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 14, 2023, 08:49:10 AM

@Sithara007 One piece of news regarding the ICC revenue model might get you charged up.

Hearing some unofficial reports that BCCI could get 37% of the share from the final revenue pot ($3.5 Billion), right now it's 18-22% depending on taxes.

Just ridiculous. Doesn't mean much to the BCCI (as the amount will represent only a small fraction of their overall revenues), but it will destroy the smaller boards. And as usual, the allocation to smaller associate nations will be reduced further and cricket will completely die out in many of the smaller countries. Already teams with native players have seen their share going down by a lot. For example, there was a 90% reduction in funds provided to Nepal for the 2015-23 cycle, compared to what they got during the 2008-15 cycle.

https://www.firstpost.com/firstcricket/sports-news/exclusive-icc-revenue-share-bcci-2024-2027-cycle-12452912.html

And this is just the proposal from the ICC. Final share maybe even higher.

See the numbers are mindblowing and I told you so this last year. Australia fetching only $60 million is disturbing tho.

IMO final deal should be fair to 2 concerned parties BCCI and the associate nations. The former is bringing 90% of the money so they indeed deserve more and the latter parties need more support for the game.

Maybe all full members (except India) should get the same amount as the last cycle ($70-$120 Million), with this ICC could satisfy both BCCI and Associate nations.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 14, 2023, 08:49:10 AM

@Sithara007 One piece of news regarding the ICC revenue model might get you charged up.

Hearing some unofficial reports that BCCI could get 37% of the share from the final revenue pot ($3.5 Billion), right now it's 18-22% depending on taxes.

Just ridiculous. Doesn't mean much to the BCCI (as the amount will represent only a small fraction of their overall revenues), but it will destroy the smaller boards. And as usual, the allocation to smaller associate nations will be reduced further and cricket will completely die out in many of the smaller countries. Already teams with native players have seen their share going down by a lot. For example, there was a 90% reduction in funds provided to Nepal for the 2015-23 cycle, compared to what they got during the 2008-15 cycle.

https://www.firstpost.com/firstcricket/sports-news/exclusive-icc-revenue-share-bcci-2024-2027-cycle-12452912.html

And this is just the proposal from the ICC. Final share maybe even higher.

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Quote from: posi on April 13, 2023, 03:16:32 PM

I absolutely agree with you, that the situation in the United States is better compared to UAE, Oman, Hong Kong, etc in cricket. But it is still not OK with having only 3–4 native players on the national team.
But I see what you are trying to say, everything is not going to be fixed suddenly. Maybe if the other teams look up to the USA team and maybe if the ICC makes a rule that there have to be at least five native players in a national team, it is going to be better. At least far better compared to what is going on right now.

Most chances we will not have any solid policy from ICC in near future because right now ICC have good incentives from the Gulf region, so they are also paying back something which is giving them some advantage in case of the USA we can expect things could be better in near future, but Gulf countries will never follow these rules, and they will go with players which are mostly adopted and if you want to fair policy then surely we need to move ICC headquarter from DUBAI to any other place which will be acceptable for all and also give some benefits to them as well as they have in DUBAI.
With mostly European and other countries are having better things which can bring changes in any game with their strong domestic system but here right now we have nothing positive which will give any positive sign so just wait and watch this all for few more years.

If this same thing happens for a few more years, I think cricket might actually be dead by then. Well, at least international cricket is going to be dead. Cricket will only be alive through franchise cricket and T20 leagues if certain necessary steps are not taken about the number of foreign players, in the national team.

Quote from: Hirose UK on April 14, 2023, 10:13:45 AM

It's normal, friends, if the national team of a country only has a few original players from their country because the national team also wants their team to be able to win in every game and if the original players can't give a good game then team management can take foreign players to strengthen the national team they.

The use of outside players like this does not only occur in the national team but also local teams will definitely use the services of outside players to strengthen the team so they can play well and win every game.

My idea is simple. If you don’t have good enough players on the national team, you are not searching hard enough for talent in your country. And if you think playing foreign players in the team is going to bring you glory, you are absolutely wrong. Trust me, you cannot achieve greatness by having players who are not good enough to perform in the team of their own country.

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Quote from: posi on April 13, 2023, 03:16:32 PM

I absolutely agree with you, that the situation in the United States is better compared to UAE, Oman, Hong Kong, etc in cricket. But it is still not OK with having only 3–4 native players on the national team.

It's normal, friends, if the national team of a country only has a few original players from their country because the national team also wants their team to be able to win in every game and if the original players can't give a good game then team management can take foreign players to strengthen the national team they.

The use of outside players like this does not only occur in the national team but also local teams will definitely use the services of outside players to strengthen the team so they can play well and win every game.

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@Sithara007 One piece of news regarding the ICC revenue model might get you charged up.

Hearing some unofficial reports that BCCI could get 37% of the share from the final revenue pot ($3.5 Billion), right now it's 18-22% depending on taxes.

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Quote from: posi on April 13, 2023, 03:16:32 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 12, 2023, 08:51:12 PM

It is not just the United States. And in case of US, I am a bit more lenient, because their squad do have 3-4 players with American citizenship. That is not the case with teams like Oman, United Arab Emirates and Hong Kong. The entire squad is made of foreigners, which defeats the very purpose of forming a "national" team. How can you call a team that comprises 100% of citizens from Pakistan and India as the UAE team? Just because some of these players reside or work in the UAE temporarily, a UAE national team can't be formed from them.

I absolutely agree with you, that the situation in the United States is better compared to UAE, Oman, Hong Kong, etc in cricket. But it is still not OK with having only 3–4 native players on the national team.

But I see what you are trying to say, everything is not going to be fixed suddenly. Maybe if the other teams look up to the USA team and maybe if the ICC makes a rule that there have to be at least five native players in a national team, it is going to be better. At least far better compared to what is going on right now.

Most chances we will not have any solid policy from ICC in near future because right now ICC have good incentives from the Gulf region, so they are also paying back something which is giving them some advantage in case of the USA we can expect things could be better in near future, but Gulf countries will never follow these rules, and they will go with players which are mostly adopted and if you want to fair policy then surely we need to move ICC headquarter from DUBAI to any other place which will be acceptable for all and also give some benefits to them as well as they have in DUBAI.

With mostly European and other countries are having better things which can bring changes in any game with their strong domestic system but here right now we have nothing positive which will give any positive sign so just wait and watch this all for few more years.

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Quote from: Patrol69 on April 11, 2023, 08:21:07 AM

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But I think the beauty of cricket is lost through such outs. There are many rules for getting out in cricket, why did they not choose this method of mankad out again and again instead of getting out according to that rule. Bowlers who choose to make such dismissals should be ashamed of themselves.

Lets clarify this first, Mankading is legal according to the Cricketing rules, you need to consider this in the context of the game. It was considered as unprofessional when bowlers had the upper hand and the batsman were playing without any safety precaution (no helmet, no body protection) and with a leg stump line aiming at the head and now a days all the rules favor batsman, there is a limit to bouncers, fielders placed and then the batsman wants to take advantage by starting to run from the non striker end even before the ball is bowled, it is not a fair practice and there is nothing wrong in picking the wicket through Mankading simply because all the rules favor batsman in modern day Cricket.

The situation in the last match is that the bowler failed to take the bail before leaving the bowling crease and it cannot be considered a run out because it is a dead ball if the ball is not released and the bowler already left the bowling crease.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 12, 2023, 08:51:12 PM

It is not just the United States. And in case of US, I am a bit more lenient, because their squad do have 3-4 players with American citizenship. That is not the case with teams like Oman, United Arab Emirates and Hong Kong. The entire squad is made of foreigners, which defeats the very purpose of forming a "national" team. How can you call a team that comprises 100% of citizens from Pakistan and India as the UAE team? Just because some of these players reside or work in the UAE temporarily, a UAE national team can't be formed from them.

I absolutely agree with you, that the situation in the United States is better compared to UAE, Oman, Hong Kong, etc in cricket. But it is still not OK with having only 3–4 native players on the national team.

But I see what you are trying to say, everything is not going to be fixed suddenly. Maybe if the other teams look up to the USA team and maybe if the ICC makes a rule that there have to be at least five native players in a national team, it is going to be better. At least far better compared to what is going on right now.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2023, 04:17:56 AM

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Many batsmen have already become wary of such a dismissal. And they now don't get out of bounds before the ball is bowled. If such dismissals were not made then maybe the batsmen would have done such things regularly. But such outs are very rare. Tellers generally do not favor this type of out. But when the match is in many contests, many choose such out opportunities.
But such outs are unexpected for every batsman and player. Especially when a world-class bowler does such things, many criticize them and say that if a world-class bowler like him resorted to such outs, what lessons will those who follow him learn from him? But every batsman should be careful about this. No matter how much pressure the team is under

Obviously there are a small number of batsmen who take advantage of this. And I agree that bowlers and batsmen should be treated equally. With free-hit and all, cricket has become a game of the batsmen with bowlers toiling very hard without much say in the proceedings. It is the duty of the batsmen to get back to the crease while the ball is being delivered. The bowler is not duty bound to give repeated warnings to the batsmen who doesn't follow this protocol. But the ICC should come up with clear rules regarding this, rather than putting everything in the grey zone.

Let’s get one thing straight. In cricket, bowlers and Batmen are never going to be treated equally. There is always going to be a favorite for the batting side. And that is very understandable why that should happen. After all, it is also a sport. And any sport has to be entertaining. Otherwise, it is not going to make money. But this role I absolutely agree with this.

Just imagine it is the last ball and two runs are required. Imagine how crucial that one step from the non-striker can be. But of course, any rule should be clear-cut. The problem is cricket has been operating in the gray zone for a long time. Very few things seem to be clear-cut, black and white.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2023, 04:17:56 AM

Quote from: Litzki1990 on April 13, 2023, 02:22:10 AM

Many batsmen have already become wary of such a dismissal. And they now don't get out of bounds before the ball is bowled. If such dismissals were not made then maybe the batsmen would have done such things regularly. But such outs are very rare. Tellers generally do not favor this type of out. But when the match is in many contests, many choose such out opportunities.

But such outs are unexpected for every batsman and player. Especially when a world-class bowler does such things, many criticize them and say that if a world-class bowler like him resorted to such outs, what lessons will those who follow him learn from him? But every batsman should be careful about this. No matter how much pressure the team is under

Obviously there are a small number of batsmen who take advantage of this. And I agree that bowlers and batsmen should be treated equally. With free-hit and all, cricket has become a game of the batsmen with bowlers toiling very hard without much say in the proceedings. It is the duty of the batsmen to get back to the crease while the ball is being delivered. The bowler is not duty bound to give repeated warnings to the batsmen who doesn't follow this protocol. But the ICC should come up with clear rules regarding this, rather than putting everything in the grey zone.

There is no clear idea of ICC in this regard. I can't remember exactly but I've ever seen such bowling in a final match in under-19 cricket. On such an appeal the umpire dismissed the batsman. Another game found the opposite. There was no dismissal. I haven't got a clear idea about this yet. But I think whatever rule is made should be clearly spread to all and the same rule should be followed everywhere. Otherwise cricket becomes a mess.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on April 13, 2023, 02:22:10 AM

Many batsmen have already become wary of such a dismissal. And they now don't get out of bounds before the ball is bowled. If such dismissals were not made then maybe the batsmen would have done such things regularly. But such outs are very rare. Tellers generally do not favor this type of out. But when the match is in many contests, many choose such out opportunities.

But such outs are unexpected for every batsman and player. Especially when a world-class bowler does such things, many criticize them and say that if a world-class bowler like him resorted to such outs, what lessons will those who follow him learn from him? But every batsman should be careful about this. No matter how much pressure the team is under

If batsmen are wary of this surely now they will care about this and not try to leave crease before ball delivered because with ICC is already given final verdict about this it's treated as normally run-out, so we don't need to talk more about this all because as already mentioned in above posts we are not giving any favor to bowlers all rules and things are in batsmen favor so if they have this advantage surely it's bowlers' right.

Even we have too much criticism about this all in past and right now but still we don't need more debate what is good or who things need to be settled with final verdict was from ICC which is now already settled with now it's all batsmen duty to have their mind settled about this all and care about this all in future as well.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on April 13, 2023, 02:22:10 AM

Many batsmen have already become wary of such a dismissal. And they now don't get out of bounds before the ball is bowled. If such dismissals were not made then maybe the batsmen would have done such things regularly. But such outs are very rare. Tellers generally do not favor this type of out. But when the match is in many contests, many choose such out opportunities.

But such outs are unexpected for every batsman and player. Especially when a world-class bowler does such things, many criticize them and say that if a world-class bowler like him resorted to such outs, what lessons will those who follow him learn from him? But every batsman should be careful about this. No matter how much pressure the team is under

Obviously there are a small number of batsmen who take advantage of this. And I agree that bowlers and batsmen should be treated equally. With free-hit and all, cricket has become a game of the batsmen with bowlers toiling very hard without much say in the proceedings. It is the duty of the batsmen to get back to the crease while the ball is being delivered. The bowler is not duty bound to give repeated warnings to the batsmen who doesn't follow this protocol. But the ICC should come up with clear rules regarding this, rather than putting everything in the grey zone.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 13, 2023, 02:05:44 AM

I hope more bowlers start doing it regularly and call out the batters more openly, just run them out without any warning. If batters are ready to steal the yards then they should also get ready to face the consequences so no sympathy for cheaters here.

Many batsmen have already become wary of such a dismissal. And they now don't get out of bounds before the ball is bowled. If such dismissals were not made then maybe the batsmen would have done such things regularly. But such outs are very rare. Tellers generally do not favor this type of out. But when the match is in many contests, many choose such out opportunities.

But such outs are unexpected for every batsman and player. Especially when a world-class bowler does such things, many criticize them and say that if a world-class bowler like him resorted to such outs, what lessons will those who follow him learn from him? But every batsman should be careful about this. No matter how much pressure the team is under

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Quote from: Patrol69 on April 11, 2023, 08:21:07 AM

"Mancut out"
Why do Indian players give birth to the same controversies over and over again?

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But I think the beauty of cricket is lost through such outs. There are many rules for getting out in cricket, why did they not choose this method of mancut out again and again instead of getting out according to that rule. Bowlers who choose to make such dismissals should be ashamed of themselves.

What are your thoughts on this out?

Small correction, It's "Mankad" not "Mancut out" and now according to ICC rules it's renamed as normal "Run out".

There is no such thing "Beauty of cricket" when non-striking stealing the singles, it's outright cheating, which batters are doing for so long and no one bats the eye. Bowlers get penalized with the free hit and no-balls when they step over the line, even if its mm. We don't see the umpire warning bowlers and saying "Hey you are stepping the line, don't do it otherwise I'll give the no-ball". Nope it never happens, except the siren goes on n on for the next 3 seconds, followed by free-hit signal from the umpires.

I hope more bowlers start doing it regularly and call out the batters more openly, just run them out without any warning. If batters are ready to steal the yards then they should also get ready to face the consequences so no sympathy for cheaters here.

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Quote from: posi on April 12, 2023, 08:23:03 PM

In essence, if you are able to get a good amount of money, or if you have good relations with certain individuals in the ICC, you will not have any problems at all. I believe that this is what has been happening in the ICC at the moment, and I believe that is what has been occurring. The teams that are made up of foreign players are being given a really good amount of money in order to make their teams successful. It is also evident that they are trying to include the USA in the cricketing world, despite the fact that everybody knows that the USA is not a very interested country in cricket.

It is not just the United States. And in case of US, I am a bit more lenient, because their squad do have 3-4 players with American citizenship. That is not the case with teams like Oman, United Arab Emirates and Hong Kong. The entire squad is made of foreigners, which defeats the very purpose of forming a "national" team. How can you call a team that comprises 100% of citizens from Pakistan and India as the UAE team? Just because some of these players reside or work in the UAE temporarily, a UAE national team can't be formed from them.

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