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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2023, 10:28:45 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 25, 2023, 07:23:36 AM

In all of Saudi's new tourney debates, everyone keeps forgetting who'll watch another random league, even if it's expensive (from a player's point of view only)when Indian players are not participating in it.

Even let's say BCCI agrees to send some players into this league, they won't be capped or contracted players and the main issue would be sustainability (schedule is another obstacle) despite Saudis having deep pockets.

I don't think that sustainability is a concern for the Saudis. They brought Cristiano Ronaldo to their country by paying a massive amount. They know that it will be impossible to get returns of even half of that amount. What they want is publicity and acceptance among the global community. At this point, they are not focusing on revenues or sustainability. And once again, the BCCI will not send any of the active players to this tournament (irrespective of whether they are capped or not). They don't have any reason to do otherwise.

They are free to do that, like i said it's good for players for sure but it's not good for business in any sense. Also, the football market is not concentrated or dominated by just one market, it's spread fairly enough.

That's not the case with cricket, where only one country generates eyeballs. I fail to understand why people avoid connecting the dots of ICC media rights in this context, it's in front of everyone still no one considering it. The rest of the cricketing world not paying money to watch ICC tournaments and somehow people think that they will watch random t-20 leagues.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 25, 2023, 07:23:36 AM

In all of Saudi's new tourney debates, everyone keeps forgetting who'll watch another random league, even if it's expensive (from a player's point of view only)when Indian players are not participating in it.

Even let's say BCCI agrees to send some players into this league, they won't be capped or contracted players and the main issue would be sustainability (schedule is another obstacle) despite Saudis having deep pockets.

I don't think that sustainability is a concern for the Saudis. They brought Cristiano Ronaldo to their country by paying a massive amount. They know that it will be impossible to get returns of even half of that amount. What they want is publicity and acceptance among the global community. At this point, they are not focusing on revenues or sustainability. And once again, the BCCI will not send any of the active players to this tournament (irrespective of whether they are capped or not). They don't have any reason to do otherwise.

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In all of Saudi's new tourney debates, everyone keeps forgetting who'll watch another random league, even if it's expensive (from a player's point of view only)when Indian players are not participating in it.

Even let's say BCCI agrees to send some players into this league, they won't be capped or contracted players and the main issue would be sustainability (schedule is another obstacle) despite Saudis having deep pockets.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 24, 2023, 09:59:11 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on April 23, 2023, 08:04:56 AM

Saudia Arabia Is a strong country and its league will definitely make alot of name in cricket world Arabs have alot of tendency to make their words real.
In my opinion Indians and Saudis will eventually end up together for growth of the cricket in Saudi Arabia.
Indians have alot of skills as far as diplomatic relations are concerned.

The problem is that the market for cricket is already saturated. IPL takes away 3 months every year from the calendar and then there are bilateral tours by the Indian team and the ICC tournaments. There is simply not enough spare time available to accommodate the Saudi league. And the BCCI is not that stupid to allow the Saudi Arabian Cricket Federation to take control of the Indian market. It will negatively impact the popularity of the IPL, and in turn the BCCI revenues will nosedive. So in all probability, the Saudis are going to pour tons of money in to the new league and they are not going to get anything in return.

@Sithara007 while I definitely agree with you on almost all the points, but I do have a different opinion on this because for starter’s BCCI could send their reserve squad of player’s to get some experience and then these player’s would fetch higher price during the IPL auction.

Secondly BCCI would command higher revenue share for sharing their player’s, hence they’ll always get additional revenue from this and honestly I don’t think that any league can impact IPL popularity thus BCCI maybe tempted to make additional money as and when this league begins.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on April 23, 2023, 08:04:56 AM

Saudia Arabia Is a strong country and its league will definitely make alot of name in cricket world Arabs have alot of tendency to make their words real.
In my opinion Indians and Saudis will eventually end up together for growth of the cricket in Saudi Arabia.
Indians have alot of skills as far as diplomatic relations are concerned.

The problem is that the market for cricket is already saturated. IPL takes away 3 months every year from the calendar and then there are bilateral tours by the Indian team and the ICC tournaments. There is simply not enough spare time available to accommodate the Saudi league. And the BCCI is not that stupid to allow the Saudi Arabian Cricket Federation to take control of the Indian market. It will negatively impact the popularity of the IPL, and in turn the BCCI revenues will nosedive. So in all probability, the Saudis are going to pour tons of money in to the new league and they are not going to get anything in return.

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Quote from: Patrol69 on April 23, 2023, 09:08:58 AM

In every season of IPL, RCB conducts one match as Green Day. And in that match they usually wear the jersey color green. The main aim of celebrating Green Day by Match is to inspire people to make the world pollution free and green.

Do you know how their green jersey is made today and what are the main materials of this jersey? If you don't know about this then let me tell you,
they used 19428 water bottles and 9047 kg of garbage to make this jersey today. You may be wondering from where the RCB authorities collected so many bottles. Basically all the bottles that were in the stadium during RCB's first home match were collected to make this jersey.

These bottles are recycled into jerseys in a few steps. Those who have doubts about these issues can visit RCB's official Twitter page. Hope you will get all the related news there.

This is actually a very good step towards saving the environment. I think this is certainly a good and genuine thought. At least they are not like Apple (remember them saying that they are removing the charger from the box for saving the environment and when they launched the new phone with slim box they celebrated the launch day with fireworks) Grin

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The step taken by IPL is certainly not going to have the biggest impact on the environment. But it is going to have an impact.

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In every season of IPL, RCB conducts one match as Green Day. And in that match they usually wear the jersey color green. The main aim of celebrating Green Day by Match is to inspire people to make the world pollution free and green.

Do you know how their green jersey is made today and what are the main materials of this jersey? If you don't know about this then let me tell you,
they used 19428 water bottles and 9047 kg of garbage to make this jersey today. You may be wondering from where the RCB authorities collected so many bottles. Basically all the bottles that were in the stadium during RCB's first home match were collected to make this jersey.

These bottles are recycled into jerseys in a few steps. Those who have doubts about these issues can visit RCB's official Twitter page. Hope you will get all the related news there.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 23, 2023, 12:12:56 AM

Quote from: WatChe on April 22, 2023, 11:11:01 PM

Quote from: romero121 on April 22, 2023, 06:53:22 PM

We can't be conclusive before the plan gets executed. It isn't easy to defeat the success of IPL. Through years and number of seasons it have turned to be one among the top league of the world. Saudi Arabia have got different plans and the execution and success will break the control of BCCI over cricket. In all means BCCI will try to keep things under control. This is a big opportunity for the Pakistan players to enjoy a big league and I'm sure the pay will be really high as the spending on the league is really big. Already Saudi Arabia wants to come away from the control of USA, and these activities too can support in their agenda.

Cricket is unfortunately a game always dominated by few countries. Till 2000 it was Aus and England that were considered to be super power of cricket and for last decade India has also joined this league of super power.
Saudi is a big play and India has good relations with Saudi. It won't be easy for Indian government to oppose Saudi league since that will mean Saudi also stopping there investment in India.
As I said there is nothing in black and white about this league rather just speculation. Better wait for details to roll out.

Yes, there is logic in your statement in this regard. Today politics has reached a different level. Saudi Arabia and India have have good relation, maybe the Saudi government will want to exploit that opportunity and India will also carefully calculate their gains or losses. But as Saudi Arabia is very strong economically, they will try to dominate to some extent. I believe India will not try to hindrance to their league rather if it possible they will help them. Because these two countries have good economic relations.

Saudia Arabia Is a strong country and its league will definitely make alot of name in cricket world Arabs have alot of tendency to make their words real.
In my opinion Indians and Saudis will eventually end up together for growth of the cricket in Saudi Arabia.
Indians have alot of skills as far as diplomatic relations are concerned.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 23, 2023, 12:12:56 AM

Quote from: WatChe on April 22, 2023, 11:11:01 PM

Cricket is unfortunately a game always dominated by few countries. Till 2000 it was Aus and England that were considered to be super power of cricket and for last decade India has also joined this league of super power.
Saudi is a big play and India has good relations with Saudi. It won't be easy for Indian government to oppose Saudi league since that will mean Saudi also stopping there investment in India.
As I said there is nothing in black and white about this league rather just speculation. Better wait for details to roll out.

Yes, there is logic in your statement in this regard. Today politics has reached a different level. Saudi Arabia and India have have good relation, maybe the Saudi government will want to exploit that opportunity and India will also carefully calculate their gains or losses. But as Saudi Arabia is very strong economically, they will try to dominate to some extent. I believe India will not try to hindrance to their league rather if it possible they will help them. Because these two countries have good economic relations.

Personally, I actually believe that there will be some problems for Saudi Arabia because they themselves don’t have the best players to attract spectators. And that would mean a large number of foreign players in each team. I think there is not going to be any restriction on the number of foreign players on the team. I believe it is going to be probably even 11 players, 11 foreign players in one team.

Anyway, even though I know that the relation between India and Saudi Arabia is currently good, I don’t think BCCI is actually going to help Saudi Arabia with anything when it comes to this Saudi cricket league. But another thing that can happen is, when it is the season of the Saudi cricket league, India will help them, and when it is time for the IPL, Saudi Arabia will also help India. Though I am not sure how that is going to work out.

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Quote from: WatChe on April 22, 2023, 11:11:01 PM

Quote from: romero121 on April 22, 2023, 06:53:22 PM

We can't be conclusive before the plan gets executed. It isn't easy to defeat the success of IPL. Through years and number of seasons it have turned to be one among the top league of the world. Saudi Arabia have got different plans and the execution and success will break the control of BCCI over cricket. In all means BCCI will try to keep things under control. This is a big opportunity for the Pakistan players to enjoy a big league and I'm sure the pay will be really high as the spending on the league is really big. Already Saudi Arabia wants to come away from the control of USA, and these activities too can support in their agenda.

Cricket is unfortunately a game always dominated by few countries. Till 2000 it was Aus and England that were considered to be super power of cricket and for last decade India has also joined this league of super power.
Saudi is a big play and India has good relations with Saudi. It won't be easy for Indian government to oppose Saudi league since that will mean Saudi also stopping there investment in India.
As I said there is nothing in black and white about this league rather just speculation. Better wait for details to roll out.

Yes, there is logic in your statement in this regard. Today politics has reached a different level. Saudi Arabia and India have have good relation, maybe the Saudi government will want to exploit that opportunity and India will also carefully calculate their gains or losses. But as Saudi Arabia is very strong economically, they will try to dominate to some extent. I believe India will not try to hindrance to their league rather if it possible they will help them. Because these two countries have good economic relations.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 22, 2023, 06:53:22 PM

We can't be conclusive before the plan gets executed. It isn't easy to defeat the success of IPL. Through years and number of seasons it have turned to be one among the top league of the world. Saudi Arabia have got different plans and the execution and success will break the control of BCCI over cricket. In all means BCCI will try to keep things under control. This is a big opportunity for the Pakistan players to enjoy a big league and I'm sure the pay will be really high as the spending on the league is really big. Already Saudi Arabia wants to come away from the control of USA, and these activities too can support in their agenda.

Cricket is unfortunately a game always dominated by few countries. Till 2000 it was Aus and England that were considered to be super power of cricket and for last decade India has also joined this league of super power.
Saudi is a big play and India has good relations with Saudi. It won't be easy for Indian government to oppose Saudi league since that will mean Saudi also stopping there investment in India.
As I said there is nothing in black and white about this league rather just speculation. Better wait for details to roll out.

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Quote from: WatChe on April 22, 2023, 12:45:52 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 20, 2023, 08:57:05 PM

Crude oil consumption has reached a peak and now the exports from Saudi Arabia are declining. The prices are struggling in the $80-$90 per barrel range, and this is despite all the production cuts being implemented by the OPEC+. Saudis are more intelligent when compared to some of their neighboring states. They don't have any other natural resources apart from oil, and they know that they will be in trouble once the EVs replace gasoline and diesel driven vehicles. But then the question arises. Can this big spending on cricket be justified? Without the Indian players, I don't know how they are going to make any sort of profits.

There is cricket in other countries also apart from India and there are leagues running successfully without Indian players. Already there are rumors that Saudi Arabia's cricket league plan could ruin India's IPL party. We need to see final plan of that cricket league before making a conclusion that it will be in profit or loss. This league if held will be beneficial for Pakistani players that are banned from participating in IPL. In fact it will help in breaking monoply of BCCI.
I always wonder what will happen to billions of dollars that are earned by KSA due to Oil export but are residing in USA banks?

We can't be conclusive before the plan gets executed. It isn't easy to defeat the success of IPL. Through years and number of seasons it have turned to be one among the top league of the world. Saudi Arabia have got different plans and the execution and success will break the control of BCCI over cricket. In all means BCCI will try to keep things under control. This is a big opportunity for the Pakistan players to enjoy a big league and I'm sure the pay will be really high as the spending on the league is really big. Already Saudi Arabia wants to come away from the control of USA, and these activities too can support in their agenda.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 20, 2023, 08:57:05 PM

Crude oil consumption has reached a peak and now the exports from Saudi Arabia are declining. The prices are struggling in the $80-$90 per barrel range, and this is despite all the production cuts being implemented by the OPEC+. Saudis are more intelligent when compared to some of their neighboring states. They don't have any other natural resources apart from oil, and they know that they will be in trouble once the EVs replace gasoline and diesel driven vehicles. But then the question arises. Can this big spending on cricket be justified? Without the Indian players, I don't know how they are going to make any sort of profits.

There is cricket in other countries also apart from India and there are leagues running successfully without Indian players. Already there are rumors that Saudi Arabia's cricket league plan could ruin India's IPL party. We need to see final plan of that cricket league before making a conclusion that it will be in profit or loss. This league if held will be beneficial for Pakistani players that are banned from participating in IPL. In fact it will help in breaking monoply of BCCI.
I always wonder what will happen to billions of dollars that are earned by KSA due to Oil export but are residing in USA banks?

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Quote from: romero121 on April 21, 2023, 06:59:43 PM

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Honestly, I don’t think this much money being spent on cricket is actually justifiable when Indian players are not playing in the tournament. We know that Indian players are the ones who bring the most amount of revenue for cricket right now. So it is probably not the best idea to exclude Indian players from a tournament where a lot of money like this is going to be spent.
But on the other hand, if this is successful, it is also going to be a reality check for the Indian cricket board.

When it comes to cricket, India is the biggest market. The success of IPL is through the population that goes behind cricket same as that we see western population going behind football. Without India, rest of the Asian countries will give hands. Even with India, it is mentioned that the current players won't be allowed play on the league. Maybe the players who had played for India in the past can get good opportunity. This is completely a commercial initiative from the government, maybe that's the reason why Indian players were denied.

I am quite sure that the players who will actually go oppose the order of BCCI and try to play in these types of leagues, will not have any chance to play for India, or even in the IPL. Because that is not in the best interest of the BCCI at all. They always think that they are the best and they provide the best show for everyone. And they want to keep things that way.

I absolutely understand why, India thinks of doing that. But on the other hand, the player pool of India is really big. The players who are currently not actively playing in any Indian tournament, namely, IPL, or the national team, should be given a chance to play in other leagues in my opinion. But that also raises the question that probably the leagues are not interested in them actually.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on April 21, 2023, 10:23:53 AM

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Quote from: Marvell1 on April 20, 2023, 11:17:00 AM

They are always going to be a very important country economically in the whole world. We all know that the big countries all around the world are always buying oil from them. And previously that’s why they have always been very important economically. But now as they have made the country open to visit for people all around the world, they are also earning money in that way.

Crude oil consumption has reached a peak and now the exports from Saudi Arabia are declining. The prices are struggling in the $80-$90 per barrel range, and this is despite all the production cuts being implemented by the OPEC+. Saudis are more intelligent when compared to some of their neighboring states. They don't have any other natural resources apart from oil, and they know that they will be in trouble once the EVs replace gasoline and diesel driven vehicles. But then the question arises. Can this big spending on cricket be justified? Without the Indian players, I don't know how they are going to make any sort of profits.

Honestly, I don’t think this much money being spent on cricket is actually justifiable when Indian players are not playing in the tournament. We know that Indian players are the ones who bring the most amount of revenue for cricket right now. So it is probably not the best idea to exclude Indian players from a tournament where a lot of money like this is going to be spent.

But on the other hand, if this is successful, it is also going to be a reality check for the Indian cricket board.

When it comes to cricket, India is the biggest market. The success of IPL is through the population that goes behind cricket same as that we see western population going behind football. Without India, rest of the Asian countries will give hands. Even with India, it is mentioned that the current players won't be allowed play on the league. Maybe the players who had played for India in the past can get good opportunity. This is completely a commercial initiative from the government, maybe that's the reason why Indian players were denied.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 20, 2023, 08:57:05 PM

Quote from: Marvell1 on April 20, 2023, 11:17:00 AM

They are always going to be a very important country economically in the whole world. We all know that the big countries all around the world are always buying oil from them. And previously that’s why they have always been very important economically. But now as they have made the country open to visit for people all around the world, they are also earning money in that way.

Crude oil consumption has reached a peak and now the exports from Saudi Arabia are declining. The prices are struggling in the $80-$90 per barrel range, and this is despite all the production cuts being implemented by the OPEC+. Saudis are more intelligent when compared to some of their neighboring states. They don't have any other natural resources apart from oil, and they know that they will be in trouble once the EVs replace gasoline and diesel driven vehicles. But then the question arises. Can this big spending on cricket be justified? Without the Indian players, I don't know how they are going to make any sort of profits.

Honestly, I don’t think this much money being spent on cricket is actually justifiable when Indian players are not playing in the tournament. We know that Indian players are the ones who bring the most amount of revenue for cricket right now. So it is probably not the best idea to exclude Indian players from a tournament where a lot of money like this is going to be spent.

But on the other hand, if this is successful, it is also going to be a reality check for the Indian cricket board.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 20, 2023, 01:14:18 AM

There is a statement from Marizanne Kapp regarding the performance of some of the associate players in the recently concluded FairBreak Invitational tournament (second edition):
https://scroll.in/field/1047139/cricket-marizanne-kapp-on-how-associate-players-are-standing-out-at-fairbreak-invitational

This year's edition witnessed 6 teams taking part in the tournament, with a majority of the players hailing from associate nations. The BCCI as usual, banned it's players from taking part. The matches were held in Hong Kong, and in the final match Warriors defeated Falcons by 94 runs. Hayley Matthews was the player of the match, for scoring 123.

This is a good thing for the associate nations players, in my opinion. They will be able to improve their performance and also use that experience when they play for their home country.

Of course, BCCI is going to ban their players from taking part in various tournaments that does not make them money directly. That’s because they think of themselves as some premium product that everyone has to buy to see.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on April 20, 2023, 11:17:00 AM

They are always going to be a very important country economically in the whole world. We all know that the big countries all around the world are always buying oil from them. And previously that’s why they have always been very important economically. But now as they have made the country open to visit for people all around the world, they are also earning money in that way.

Crude oil consumption has reached a peak and now the exports from Saudi Arabia are declining. The prices are struggling in the $80-$90 per barrel range, and this is despite all the production cuts being implemented by the OPEC+. Saudis are more intelligent when compared to some of their neighboring states. They don't have any other natural resources apart from oil, and they know that they will be in trouble once the EVs replace gasoline and diesel driven vehicles. But then the question arises. Can this big spending on cricket be justified? Without the Indian players, I don't know how they are going to make any sort of profits.

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Quote from: Patrol69 on April 19, 2023, 09:31:17 PM

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MS Dhoni may be dropped from the captaincy of Chennai Super Kings in IPL.

Are you saying that the IPL will penalize Ms Dhoni and may force him to sit outside for slow over rate ? or are you saying that CSK will be dropping MS Dhoni as their captain permanently because of the bowlers he has. Either way, Ms Dhoni has a huge fan base in Chennai and i really doubt they would force him to sit out due to slow over rate as it will irritate the fans as we all want to see him bat and in his last few years of his Cricketing career.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on April 19, 2023, 05:30:02 PM

Even now the oil source is their major revenue, and the country plan to generate revenue through different sources. This is how it is possible to stand strong, even if the oil revenue gets disturbed as we can't expect things to be same as now. As said Saudi Arabia have spent big on Football and now the prime focus is upon Cricket as it holds a big fanbase from the Asian countries.
More restrictions were relaxed and the government is trying to make Western people get into the country. This is kind of plan to make people invest into their country. Rather than money it is the visibility they get through it. Even now for IPL they're (visit Saudi) is the official sponsor.

I actually have a little negative take about this. I did not like them relaxing the rules just for Western people to visit their country. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing.
We have seen in the past that they have stood very strong about their rules and regulations. I would have liked for them to stay that way. But it is also understandable why they did this.

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 19, 2023, 10:03:25 PM

The current king (Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud) is quite intelligent and he has realized that it will be impossible for Saudi Arabia to survive on oil revenues alone in the long term. That is why he is trying to diversify the economy. And unlike Qatar, Saudi Arabia is not exactly swimming in wads of money. They do have a large population of natives to take care of. Qatar has only 300,000 citizens, while KSA as per the latest census is home to 25 million natives. That explains why Saudi Arabia is more accommodative of the outside culture when compared to Qatar. But only time will tell whether their big plans will get realized or not.

They are always going to be a very important country economically in the whole world. We all know that the big countries all around the world are always buying oil from them. And previously that’s why they have always been very important economically. But now as they have made the country open to visit for people all around the world, they are also earning money in that way.

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