Topic: ⚖️ Crypto Gambling Foundation ⚖️ - Fair Gambling For All - page 13. (Read 24292 times)

Then the casino still can cheat me with the bet or account balance transaction history!



I can easily check my experienced house edge with the difference between bets won and bets lost.

If you are stupid or too thick and want to check each of the around 180,000 hands you played manually, that is up to you.

No. You are obviously too thick to understand what people are telling you and incapable of proving anything to yourself. I recommend you stop gambling because if even understanding what provably fair is and can or cannot do is too complicated for you you'll never know when you actually do get cheated.

Can I prove the fairness of my account balance transaction history at Stake?

Can I prove the fairness of my bet transaction history at Stake?

It might have been a good idea for you to find out what provably fair is before spamming dumb questions. Each individual bet is provably fair and gives you the opportunity to test that fairness yourself. Maybe you could try using provably fair to answer your questions. That's what it is there for.

Is my account balance transaction history at Stake provably fair?

The Statistics is created by Stake, so these are Stake numbers and not my numbers!

So you claim that Stake states wrong numbers and does not understand several basic math concepts.

Yet you deny any wrongdoing by Stake!


My math is perfect: 8,327 more losses x 100 : 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets placed lost.

Stake Statistics: https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR

Your numbers are wrong and you clearly don't understand several very basic math concepts. But that's not your biggest problem. Your biggest problem is that you think you do. Because you're question is based on bad math, any rational response will leave you only two options: accept your numbers are wrong or act like a troll. 🧌

Yes, you did!

You claim below "Bets" , "Wins" and "Losses" are the numbers of dealer hands played and won and lost.

And the number of dealer hands played and won and lost is smaller than the number of "Bets" placed and won and lost.

Hence you claim the total number of "Bets" placed and won and lost is not stated below "Bets" , "Wins" and "Losses".



Based on what do you conclude that below "Wagered" are the total amounts wagered and not partial amounts wagered?

What if Stake counts only 1 bet per dealer hand for the wagered amount, while you placed 4 bets?

Like you claim Stake counts only 1 bet per dealer hand, even when you placed 4 bets?



Absolute nonsense!

All bets placed cause the total amount wagered and all additional bets you place (splitting or doubling) increase the number of total bets and amount wagered.

Hence it is not possible that the total wagered amount increases without additional bets placed!



Absolute nonsense!


As you can see, hand is the cards received, bet is the bet amount, understood?

At Stake's in-house Black Jack a dealer hand can have up to 4 bets.

Hence one dealer hand is not always one bet, understood?

Despite of this, when you win a Black Jack you win 1,5 bets and not 1 bet.

So if Stake Statistics counts only 1 bet won or lost per dealer hand, even though I won a Black Jack or won or lost more bets, then their system is rigged!

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I am still looking for an explanation from the Crypto Gambling Foundation how it is fair to lose 4,6% of the bets while the advertised house edge is 0,5%?

I made 181 thousand bets at Stake's in-house Black Jack using the perfect drawing strategy.

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Afaik probably fair only applied to the games, to verify if they are legit or not so the answer to your question is no.


Idk if he plays there or not but what he said is true. I know because do play on stake too. I think common sense is only needed here. How can those numbers be a partial amount? They are too huge but by the way, have you already tried clicking on that "request statistic" button? I think that should give you a more detailed overview or breakdown about your statistics. Maybe that is the one that can help solve your problem.


But, you won't ask if what is that problem he is talking about? He doesn't look like he owns a casino and I think this thread is supposed to be for the casino owners only or the ones that would like to partner with the crypto gambling foundation. As a regular customer on of the casinos listed on here, the ones that we must contact are the casino itself and not the cgf.

No I didn't, troll.

Total wagered = how much you wagered in total for each crypto currency.
Total bets = how many individual bets you made

In black jack, doubling down or splitting does not increase your total bets, just your total wager. One bet = one dealer hand.


This is all based on common sense and really not complicated at all.

I also think that below "Wagered" are the total amounts wagered, as well as I think that below "Bets" , "Wins" and "Losses" are the total numbers of bets placed and won and lost.

Reasons:

1) A statistic states all events, as long as there is no limitation added.

2) From a logical point of view, what is applicable for below "Wagered" must be also applicable for "Bets" , "Wins" and Losses" = total

3) The total number of bets placed causes the total amount wagered.

4) If the numbers below "Bets" , "Wins" and "Losses" do not represent the same volume like below "Wagered" = total, then there needs to be additional info stated beside "Bets" , "Wins" and "Losses".

However, TwitchySeal claims that below "Wagered" are the total amounts wagered, but below "Bets" , Wins" and "Losses" are not the total numbers of bets placed and won and lost.

As I am not able to follow his logic, I asked him based on what he concludes that below "Wagered" are the total amounts wagered.

Based on my statistics, these numbers represent the total amounts I wagered in each currency. Why do you think it's different for you?

Please explain the stupid part of this question?

This guy is just a bad sad troll.  He's more interested in wasting time than actually having his stupid questions answered.

I think that you suppose to have add more information so that we can easily understand exactly the areas you are talking about, because i will understand including others when they are a proper explanation of what you said, so right now I'm confused about the thing you said, is your transaction history at stake? Have you make transaction or you are asking a question in the respect that you wish to make a transaction or you have already made a transaction, so that the aspect i wanted to know, it's not that I'm attacking you.

Is my transaction history at Stake provably fair?

May I ask how much you waited for their reply and what channel you used to try to reach out?

I am afraid this lack of response could be a signal of neglect towards this project, probably the whole idea has lost some momentum, which would be sad.
Also, I assume people who is supposed to look after this Foundation also manage their own casinos or business, resulting on them having not enough time to properly update and reply inquiries as they are supposed to.

Based on what do you conclude that they represent the total amounts I wagered and not partial amounts I wagered?

They represent the total amount of BTC, ETH and USDT that you wagered.  The totals are converted and displayed in usd (hence the '$') based on the current price, not to be confused with the price at the time of the bet.  Why not move this to the Stake thread, since all your questions are about Stake.  This doesn't seem to be the right thread for this discussion.

I found the Crypto Gambling Foundation webpage casually while I was investigating about provably fairness.
I like the effort and the ideal this foundation want to push into the gambling industry, however, after these years I would have expected to see more verified operators on their web and also more big names from the crypto gambling ecosystem.

I can tell it will take more years before this becomes a standard, as it has been mentioned before.