⚖️ Crypto Gambling Foundation ⚖️ - Fair Gambling For All - page 18.

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Quote from: BoXXoB on November 04, 2019, 08:16:38 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 04, 2019, 12:27:35 AM

I know Boxxo is a good guy that's been around forever. And I'm not saying Bitdice is a scam or anything. But going from one of the more transparent, respected, provably fair sites to hosting someone else's non-provably-fair, mystery-server games run by a company that answers to nobody is...ughh. Sad.

While I understand your point, there's nothing secret about it and it certainly isn't a new thing. It's a question of being able to provide a wide selection of games while still offering provably fair options. We don't believe giving an option harms anyone.

Could you kindly explain what is the exact definition of "Absolutely Fair Games" as stated on your website?

Thank you

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Quote from: BoXXoB on November 04, 2019, 08:16:38 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 04, 2019, 12:27:35 AM

I know Boxxo is a good guy that's been around forever. And I'm not saying Bitdice is a scam or anything. But going from one of the more transparent, respected, provably fair sites to hosting someone else's non-provably-fair, mystery-server games run by a company that answers to nobody is...ughh. Sad.

While I understand your point, there's nothing secret about it and it certainly isn't a new thing. It's a question of being able to provide a wide selection of games while still offering provably fair options. We don't believe giving an option harms anyone.

What is the house edge for each game? Are you able to verify it?

Can it be changed?

Would the provider be able to change the game without you knowing?

Do you have access to the source code?

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Good to see the recent developments in discussing one of the members here up there, and I think everyone can appreciate when owners and representatives are also upfront about what is going on. This is good for the entire industry.

I did see that there is 1 name in that list that has relaunched several times since I have been around though. Never been a personal victim but I have seen all the complaints and some of them look,,, quite bad. I think outstanding accusations about members should also be left,,,

Good job on everything guys, whoever you are.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 04, 2019, 12:27:35 AM

I know Boxxo is a good guy that's been around forever. And I'm not saying Bitdice is a scam or anything. But going from one of the more transparent, respected, provably fair sites to hosting someone else's non-provably-fair, mystery-server games run by a company that answers to nobody is...ughh. Sad.

While I understand your point, there's nothing secret about it and it certainly isn't a new thing. It's a question of being able to provide a wide selection of games while still offering provably fair options. We don't believe giving an option harms anyone.

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Glad to see an organization such as this in the gambling scene.
I think while striving for transparency and provable fairness with the gambling scene is a great thing,
You should also be transparent as possible with the approval process so when users see a site with the operator seal it's evident exactly what standards they're put up against.

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I know Boxxo is a good guy that's been around forever. And I'm not saying Bitdice is a scam or anything. But going from one of the more transparent, respected, provably fair sites to hosting someone else's non-provably-fair, mystery-server games run by a company that answers to nobody is...ughh. Sad.

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Quote from: BoXXoB on November 03, 2019, 05:24:22 PM

Sorry, I didn't see these before so I've not been here before to comment.

Firstly we don't really claim that each of our games are provably fair. I don't see the problem with anyone having a choice whether or not they want to play 3rd party games.

Secondly, the Crypto Gambling foundation seal was removed from the landing page (when logged out of site) but for some reason still remains for logged in users. It's going to be removed though.

Quote from: docthusinh on November 03, 2019, 05:06:05 PM

Quote from: joksim299 on November 02, 2019, 08:18:12 PM

User base is at all time low...
They are not advertising anywhere since ICO finished in ICO period blog was regularly updated, they listened to suggestions now silence and if you say suggestion or ask them anything their signature squad will defend even if it is just feedback
They do not deserve CGF seal until all games they provide are provably fair with good enough documentation for average user to be able to verify results

For dice game, I can confirm it's provably fair but other games I am not sure. And yes signature squad make them worsen overtime (not including the initial phase which the casino need them to spread the brand to people) and since they will just defend it regardless of the true status and true gamblers needs, they will just lose users overtime. But don't worry, there are enough budget for the team to have another 2 years to make thing change before spending all of their USD reserve, so that if you are a gambler, stay with dice game which is more or less enough fair, and if you are the investor or having any form of benefit from the casino, just don't worry for now lol.

I agree signature campaign users shouldn't defend the site about anything and everything blindly but then again we have never even told them to say good things about the site. They are free to post whatever they want.

Then again I don't see what ground breaking revelation this is because things haven't changed much regarding the game selection etc. in a while (apart from addition of sports betting).

As @Boxxob represents Bitdice official support and he has clarified their stand, I would like you’ll to know the truth about signature campaigners too. It’s public knowledge that we get paid for wearing their signature, but we are never told to sugar coat our posts in favour of bitdice or attack anyone who posts against it. I’m not aware of how other signature campaigns work, but I remember making a factually wrong statement during a competition of Bitdice and @boxxob promptly messaged me and made me understand why it was wrong and asked me to immediately change it. All the Bitdice signature campaigners only have to follow the rules listed here, unless you’re aware of some other rules please bring it forward.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitdice-casino-signature-campaign-will-start-1-december-1697546

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Sorry, I didn't see these before so I've not been here before to comment.

Firstly we don't really claim that each of our games are provably fair. I don't see the problem with anyone having a choice whether or not they want to play 3rd party games.

Secondly, the Crypto Gambling foundation seal was removed from the landing page (when logged out of site) but for some reason still remains for logged in users. It's going to be removed though.

Quote from: docthusinh on November 03, 2019, 05:06:05 PM

Quote from: joksim299 on November 02, 2019, 08:18:12 PM

User base is at all time low...
They are not advertising anywhere since ICO finished in ICO period blog was regularly updated, they listened to suggestions now silence and if you say suggestion or ask them anything their signature squad will defend even if it is just feedback
They do not deserve CGF seal until all games they provide are provably fair with good enough documentation for average user to be able to verify results

For dice game, I can confirm it's provably fair but other games I am not sure. And yes signature squad make them worsen overtime (not including the initial phase which the casino need them to spread the brand to people) and since they will just defend it regardless of the true status and true gamblers needs, they will just lose users overtime. But don't worry, there are enough budget for the team to have another 2 years to make thing change before spending all of their USD reserve, so that if you are a gambler, stay with dice game which is more or less enough fair, and if you are the investor or having any form of benefit from the casino, just don't worry for now lol.

I agree signature campaign users shouldn't defend the site about anything and everything blindly but then again we have never even told them to say good things about the site. They are free to post whatever they want.

Then again I don't see what ground breaking revelation this is because things haven't changed much regarding the game selection etc. in a while (apart from addition of sports betting).

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Quote from: joksim299 on November 02, 2019, 08:18:12 PM

User base is at all time low...
They are not advertising anywhere since ICO finished in ICO period blog was regularly updated, they listened to suggestions now silence and if you say suggestion or ask them anything their signature squad will defend even if it is just feedback
They do not deserve CGF seal until all games they provide are provably fair with good enough documentation for average user to be able to verify results

For dice game, I can confirm it's provably fair but other games I am not sure. And yes signature squad make them worsen overtime (not including the initial phase which the casino need them to spread the brand to people) and since they will just defend it regardless of the true status and true gamblers needs, they will just lose users overtime. But don't worry, there are enough budget for the team to have another 2 years to make thing change before spending all of their USD reserve, so that if you are a gambler, stay with dice game which is more or less enough fair, and if you are the investor or having any form of benefit from the casino, just don't worry for now lol.

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Quote from: docthusinh on November 02, 2019, 02:43:02 PM

Quote from: joksim299 on November 01, 2019, 06:11:37 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 01, 2019, 01:59:31 AM

Quote from: joksim299 on October 26, 2019, 05:48:27 PM

BitDice have some non provably fair games on their site while they still have seal of foundation

Indeed they do. For Shame Bitdice!

Would love to know the details of whatever deal you worked out with these providers though (hold, payouts, how the backend works, whatever you can share). Always been curious how these guys that basically answer to nobody operate but for some reason nobody will ever tell me. Undecided

Most players usually do not even try to check their rolls and verify results, they think that is enough for operator to mention they are provably fair, those will be victims of shady slot games from even more shadier studios.
I asked once how to verify roll for SoftSwiss games and they told me to ask casino and casino said they are not allowed to give such information...

That's their biggest issue, unless the site owner there change his mind and concentrate his employees on the Dice game itself. What I can see is they put so much effort on useless/ not effective thing (sport betting, slot games, fiat rather than dice game and it's contest events), they will lose their ass to competitors faster with this status considering too many new sites and attractive things there. The users needs are: good LB & BB percentage, continous attractive wagering contest (ie, freebitco: 0.2BTC daily wagering prize, around 0.6 BTC weekly lottery, 32k USD monthly wagering contest, 200k USD Lambo every six months), that't the only way to retain players rather than useless things.

Users may like sport betting, but unless they do it in house which only the reference odds & bet results are getting pulled from providers at most and they pay winners or take losers stake themself other than handling over the thing to providers and they stay as middle man to earn for both losing and winning cases, this is the biggest issue, users won't get paid (for cancelled winning bets) and they don't have to take responsibility for that..so I think certainly user won't like it and might just go for other site for sport bettings.

User base is at all time low...
They are not advertising anywhere since ICO finished in ICO period blog was regularly updated, they listened to suggestions now silence and if you say suggestion or ask them anything their signature squad will defend even if it is just feedback
They do not deserve CGF seal until all games they provide are provably fair with good enough documentation for average user to be able to verify results

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Quote from: joksim299 on November 01, 2019, 06:11:37 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 01, 2019, 01:59:31 AM

Quote from: joksim299 on October 26, 2019, 05:48:27 PM

BitDice have some non provably fair games on their site while they still have seal of foundation

Indeed they do. For Shame Bitdice!

Would love to know the details of whatever deal you worked out with these providers though (hold, payouts, how the backend works, whatever you can share). Always been curious how these guys that basically answer to nobody operate but for some reason nobody will ever tell me. Undecided

Most players usually do not even try to check their rolls and verify results, they think that is enough for operator to mention they are provably fair, those will be victims of shady slot games from even more shadier studios.
I asked once how to verify roll for SoftSwiss games and they told me to ask casino and casino said they are not allowed to give such information...

That's their biggest issue, unless the site owner there change his mind and concentrate his employees on the Dice game itself. What I can see is they put so much effort on useless/ not effective thing (sport betting, slot games, fiat rather than dice game and it's contest events), they will lose their ass to competitors faster with this status considering too many new sites and attractive things there. The users needs are: good LB & BB percentage, continous attractive wagering contest (ie, freebitco: 0.2BTC daily wagering prize, around 0.6 BTC weekly lottery, 32k USD monthly wagering contest, 200k USD Lambo every six months), that't the only way to retain players rather than useless things.

Users may like sport betting, but unless they do it in house which only the reference odds & bet results are getting pulled from providers at most and they pay winners or take losers stake themself other than handling over the thing to providers and they stay as middle man to earn for both losing and winning cases, this is the biggest issue, users won't get paid (for cancelled winning bets) and they don't have to take responsibility for that..so I think certainly user won't like it and might just go for other site for sport bettings.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 01, 2019, 01:59:31 AM

Quote from: joksim299 on October 26, 2019, 05:48:27 PM

BitDice have some non provably fair games on their site while they still have seal of foundation

Indeed they do. For Shame Bitdice!

Would love to know the details of whatever deal you worked out with these providers though (hold, payouts, how the backend works, whatever you can share). Always been curious how these guys that basically answer to nobody operate but for some reason nobody will ever tell me. Undecided

Most players usually do not even try to check their rolls and verify results, they think that is enough for operator to mention they are provably fair, those will be victims of shady slot games from even more shadier studios.
I asked once how to verify roll for SoftSwiss games and they told me to ask casino and casino said they are not allowed to give such information...

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Quote from: joksim299 on October 26, 2019, 05:48:27 PM

BitDice have some non provably fair games on their site while they still have seal of foundation

Indeed they do. For Shame Bitdice!

Would love to know the details of whatever deal you worked out with these providers though (hold, payouts, how the backend works, whatever you can share). Always been curious how these guys that basically answer to nobody operate but for some reason nobody will ever tell me. Undecided

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BitDice have some non provably fair games on their site while they still have seal of foundation

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Quote from: BetKing.io on September 05, 2019, 12:02:20 PM

Quote from: RHavar on September 05, 2019, 11:56:36 AM

Quote from: Lutpin on September 05, 2019, 02:16:07 AM

I doubt BetKing in its current trust standing (reference: this) is representative of the values CGF stands for.

I actually think betking was removed quite a while ago, when they first started doing shady stuff. Which I believe that was even before they reneged on their promise to investors, which is when they fell out of favor on bitcointalk.

I removed myself from the cgf after Stunna decided to side with you and Devans without even hearing my side of the story. I left the telegram group and removed the banner/link from betking then.

In other words that was serial scammer Dean Nolan throwing another tantrum and spitting out his dummy Roll Eyes

With all the evidence mounting against a scam website such as betking and its owner/operator serial scammer Dean Nolan I guess there was enough evidence in the posts to show what scams were carried out.

Having said that I am pleased CGF will never allow serial scammer Dean Nolan or his betking scam website back as a member

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Very good service. Keep gambling FAIR and TRANSPARENT Grin

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Quote from: Lutpin on September 06, 2019, 04:32:15 PM

Quote from: Spaffin on September 06, 2019, 12:24:06 PM

it can be concluded that the fund was not successful among gamblers.

You misread, it's not a fund, not even close to being one.

Quote from: Spaffin on September 06, 2019, 12:24:06 PM

Since this topic was dead for several months

This forum/thread isn't the whole world, measuring success by activity on a bitcointalk topic leads you to making wrong conclusions sooner or later.
Just because there is no activity here doesn't have to mean there is no activity elsewhere or behind the scenes.

Quote from: Spaffin on September 06, 2019, 12:24:06 PM

Apparently all gambling sites can find their client without it.

That's not even part of the goals of the CFG, did you bother to read them before commenting?

Quote from: Spaffin on September 06, 2019, 12:24:06 PM

I think that the team should be more actively involved in their project and, above all, marketing.

So you are giving advise for something you don't understand the nature of or the goals of.

I apologize for my words that I could not express my opinion so that you understand my thoughts. Apparently, of course, I did not sufficiently study the information about this project, but nevertheless, if the project intends to fundamentally change people's views on the gambling industry, and first of all the popularity and honesty of games, then I would like to know more information about how this will be take place.

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: Spaffin on September 06, 2019, 12:24:06 PM

it can be concluded that the fund was not successful among gamblers.

You misread, it's not a fund, not even close to being one.

Quote from: Spaffin on September 06, 2019, 12:24:06 PM

Since this topic was dead for several months

This forum/thread isn't the whole world, measuring success by activity on a bitcointalk topic leads you to making wrong conclusions sooner or later.
Just because there is no activity here doesn't have to mean there is no activity elsewhere or behind the scenes.

Quote from: Spaffin on September 06, 2019, 12:24:06 PM

Apparently all gambling sites can find their client without it.

That's not even part of the goals of the CFG, did you bother to read them before commenting?

Quote from: Spaffin on September 06, 2019, 12:24:06 PM

I think that the team should be more actively involved in their project and, above all, marketing.

So you are giving advise for something you don't understand the nature of or the goals of.

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Since this topic was dead for several months, it can be concluded that the fund was not successful among gamblers. Apparently all gambling sites can find their client without it. I think that the team should be more actively involved in their project and, above all, marketing.

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Quote from: yoloer808 on September 05, 2019, 02:56:01 PM

The foundation should standardize the length of server seeds, some sites (including some in the foundation) have dangerously short seeds.

Like which? But a short server-seed can't be used to cheat players, but rather allow a casino to be cheated. If a casino can't protect itself by picking an appropriate sized seed, there's probably 1000 other mistakes they've made that could be abused?

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