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Topic: ⚖️ Crypto Gambling Foundation ⚖️ - Fair Gambling For All - page 21. (Read 24104 times)

hero member
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The concept of the foundation and its efforts to legitimise and clean up the murky crypto-gambling world is to be applauded but how can a foundation that was founded and run by two leading provably fair casino's be considered to be impartial? A true foundation would have an impartial board of trustees who are transparent in their affiliations (and not two in-house people that vet companies based on their own values) as well as a trustee that independently represents the consumer. For all the best intentions in the world this is not how this such be approached. Perhaps if the founders could pass this on to more impartial individuals it would be better but atm this is basically a PR exercise for those casino's.

If they really wanted to push this further they would publish a white paper outlining what should be considered to be fair industry standards and liaise with the community and brands to establish this independently and transparently. This could then act as a Trustpilot type scheme for brands to sign up to.
Very good points and Game Protect could be the trustee that independently represents the consumer.

Unfortunately, both Primedice and Stake pay for a Curacao fake license and assist the Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ, sub-licenses have no legal basis!

validator.curacao-egaming.com/licenses/domain?domain=primedice.com

validator.curacao-egaming.com/licenses/domain?domain=stake.com

The idea of a crypto gambling foundation is good. But at the same time finance organized crime gives a negative aftertaste!
Pif
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The concept of the foundation and its efforts to legitimise and clean up the murky crypto-gambling world is to be applauded but how can a foundation that was founded and run by two leading provably fair casino's be considered to be impartial? A true foundation would have an impartial board of trustees who are transparent in their affiliations (and not two in-house people that vet companies based on their own values) as well as a trustee that independently represents the consumer. For all the best intentions in the world this is not how this such be approached. Perhaps if the founders could pass this on to more impartial individuals it would be better but atm this is basically a PR exercise for those casino's.

If they really wanted to push this further they would publish a white paper outlining what should be considered to be fair industry standards and liaise with the community and brands to establish this independently and transparently. This could then act as a Trustpilot type scheme for brands to sign up to.




Unfortunately I have no sendable merit points otherwise I'dhave merited your well written and valuable concern.
By the way, just to be clear I completely appreciate Crypto Gambling Foundation purposes.
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The concept of the foundation and its efforts to legitimise and clean up the murky crypto-gambling world is to be applauded but how can a foundation that was founded and run by two leading provably fair casino's be considered to be impartial? A true foundation would have an impartial board of trustees who are transparent in their affiliations (and not two in-house people that vet companies based on their own values) as well as a trustee that independently represents the consumer. For all the best intentions in the world this is not how this such be approached. Perhaps if the founders could pass this on to more impartial individuals it would be better but atm this is basically a PR exercise for those casino's.

If they really wanted to push this further they would publish a white paper outlining what should be considered to be fair industry standards and liaise with the community and brands to establish this independently and transparently. This could then act as a Trustpilot type scheme for brands to sign up to.

That is a very valuable point, and something that I intend to work upon in the coming weeks. The crypto gambling foundation is actually my project and something I created, independent of the casino's it represents. (disclaimer: However I do work with community development for both Stake and Primedice, this project is separate to those operations.) I highly value the time you have taken to express your opinions and concerns, its great to have such valuable feedback.

I am a big advocate of real fairness and its potential in this industry. There is no financial gain being made by this project and hopefully when properly established we can look at building a board of trustees who can transparently evaluate the provably fair algorithms on all the online gambling sites.
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The concept of the foundation and its efforts to legitimise and clean up the murky crypto-gambling world is to be applauded but how can a foundation that was founded and run by two leading provably fair casino's be considered to be impartial? A true foundation would have an impartial board of trustees who are transparent in their affiliations (and not two in-house people that vet companies based on their own values) as well as a trustee that independently represents the consumer. For all the best intentions in the world this is not how this such be approached. Perhaps if the founders could pass this on to more impartial individuals it would be better but atm this is basically a PR exercise for those casino's.

If they really wanted to push this further they would publish a white paper outlining what should be considered to be fair industry standards and liaise with the community and brands to establish this independently and transparently. This could then act as a Trustpilot type scheme for brands to sign up to.


hero member
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I think provably fair should be renamed to something like "True Fairness" or "Verify Fairness". Provably is barely even a word in my opinion.

I think "verifiable fairness", is the most descriptive. But the term "provably fair" is so well established that I don't think there's much upside in rebranding it.

Yeah, it has been thrown around in almost every casino I've been since I started gambling with cryptocurrencies. However, I would agree with oracleongoodbye here (though not about the word "provably" since I can't really find any truth that it is not a word because from a quick google search it almost always comes up in dictionaries that it is an adverb of the word "prove"). I agree with the part about renaming it because exactly of the fact that it has been thrown around too much and has not been taken seriously by casinos.

Probably, the best thing to do is the CGF should create it's own branding that would specifically say that it has been reviewed by CGF and that brand means like a certified seal of authenticity of sorts. Then this should be verifiable as well in the CGF website probably through a list of casinos that CGF has given its seal of approval.

I think 'provably' is slightly confusing because it looks and sounds too similar to 'probably' (which isn't good) and people are often not sure how it's even pronounced. It's obviously pronounced 'proove-ably' but I often hear people say it as prov-ably which just leads to confusion (because what the hell is prov-ably?  Grin).

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/provably

I think a rebranding would be helpful but you could just start referring to it as provably fair / true fairness or verifiably fair etc and see if one of them catches on along with provably or if its use even surpasses that of provably. If this foundation pushes one of them I soon think the phrase would catch on and could become a mark of quality/trust.

Provably is was likely coined to make full use of the "prove" word, maybe. Can really say for sure. Most of the links I found on google just related it to the word "prove", I can't really find any real reference to it being an actual word though.

I would still push for the CGF to have its own brand or seal of approval. I believe this is a revolutionary move for the gambling industry and we should move away from the past so we can move to a better future for gambling. And having a rebranded way of marking a website as truly fair, is something, which I believe, is mandatory. Imagine that you can go to a gambling site and truly trust the seals you see on the website. Unlike what we see right now, that every gambling site throws the "provably fair" seal around like it's nothing.

I hope to hear from the lead members of CGF to be honest, and know their opinion on it.

Every site that has been reviewed and aproved by CGF has the seal in their footer.

Oh cool, I just realized when you said there was such a seal. Then I got really no other complains about the seal.

However, from the other thread I've replied to, I would like now to push for CGF to disclose who the members of the committee that reviews the gambling sites. It is paramount importance for people to know who really are the people that are reviewing these sites. Because if CGF really gets traction and it becomes a trusted review agency, we should really know how the process of review goes and who reviews it. Because if CGF is controlled by just one casino then they will have a control over the industry since they can approve or deny any casino at their will just to eliminate competition.

I'm deeply interested in this project and I do hope it succeeds. Even if this is a centralized entity, it is still good since gamblers trust their crypto to gambling sites and someone should protect the gamblers.
legendary
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I think provably fair should be renamed to something like "True Fairness" or "Verify Fairness". Provably is barely even a word in my opinion.

I think "verifiable fairness", is the most descriptive. But the term "provably fair" is so well established that I don't think there's much upside in rebranding it.

Yeah, it has been thrown around in almost every casino I've been since I started gambling with cryptocurrencies. However, I would agree with oracleongoodbye here (though not about the word "provably" since I can't really find any truth that it is not a word because from a quick google search it almost always comes up in dictionaries that it is an adverb of the word "prove"). I agree with the part about renaming it because exactly of the fact that it has been thrown around too much and has not been taken seriously by casinos.

Probably, the best thing to do is the CGF should create it's own branding that would specifically say that it has been reviewed by CGF and that brand means like a certified seal of authenticity of sorts. Then this should be verifiable as well in the CGF website probably through a list of casinos that CGF has given its seal of approval.

I think 'provably' is slightly confusing because it looks and sounds too similar to 'probably' (which isn't good) and people are often not sure how it's even pronounced. It's obviously pronounced 'proove-ably' but I often hear people say it as prov-ably which just leads to confusion (because what the hell is prov-ably?  Grin).

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/provably

I think a rebranding would be helpful but you could just start referring to it as provably fair / true fairness or verifiably fair etc and see if one of them catches on along with provably or if its use even surpasses that of provably. If this foundation pushes one of them I soon think the phrase would catch on and could become a mark of quality/trust.

Provably is was likely coined to make full use of the "prove" word, maybe. Can really say for sure. Most of the links I found on google just related it to the word "prove", I can't really find any real reference to it being an actual word though.

I would still push for the CGF to have its own brand or seal of approval. I believe this is a revolutionary move for the gambling industry and we should move away from the past so we can move to a better future for gambling. And having a rebranded way of marking a website as truly fair, is something, which I believe, is mandatory. Imagine that you can go to a gambling site and truly trust the seals you see on the website. Unlike what we see right now, that every gambling site throws the "provably fair" seal around like it's nothing.

I hope to hear from the lead members of CGF to be honest, and know their opinion on it.

Every site that has been reviewed and aproved by CGF has the seal in their footer.
hero member
Activity: 756
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I think provably fair should be renamed to something like "True Fairness" or "Verify Fairness". Provably is barely even a word in my opinion.

I think "verifiable fairness", is the most descriptive. But the term "provably fair" is so well established that I don't think there's much upside in rebranding it.

Yeah, it has been thrown around in almost every casino I've been since I started gambling with cryptocurrencies. However, I would agree with oracleongoodbye here (though not about the word "provably" since I can't really find any truth that it is not a word because from a quick google search it almost always comes up in dictionaries that it is an adverb of the word "prove"). I agree with the part about renaming it because exactly of the fact that it has been thrown around too much and has not been taken seriously by casinos.

Probably, the best thing to do is the CGF should create it's own branding that would specifically say that it has been reviewed by CGF and that brand means like a certified seal of authenticity of sorts. Then this should be verifiable as well in the CGF website probably through a list of casinos that CGF has given its seal of approval.

I think 'provably' is slightly confusing because it looks and sounds too similar to 'probably' (which isn't good) and people are often not sure how it's even pronounced. It's obviously pronounced 'proove-ably' but I often hear people say it as prov-ably which just leads to confusion (because what the hell is prov-ably?  Grin).

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/provably

I think a rebranding would be helpful but you could just start referring to it as provably fair / true fairness or verifiably fair etc and see if one of them catches on along with provably or if its use even surpasses that of provably. If this foundation pushes one of them I soon think the phrase would catch on and could become a mark of quality/trust.

Provably is was likely coined to make full use of the "prove" word, maybe. Can really say for sure. Most of the links I found on google just related it to the word "prove", I can't really find any real reference to it being an actual word though.

I would still push for the CGF to have its own brand or seal of approval. I believe this is a revolutionary move for the gambling industry and we should move away from the past so we can move to a better future for gambling. And having a rebranded way of marking a website as truly fair, is something, which I believe, is mandatory. Imagine that you can go to a gambling site and truly trust the seals you see on the website. Unlike what we see right now, that every gambling site throws the "provably fair" seal around like it's nothing.

I hope to hear from the lead members of CGF to be honest, and know their opinion on it.
legendary
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I think provably fair should be renamed to something like "True Fairness" or "Verify Fairness". Provably is barely even a word in my opinion.

I think "verifiable fairness", is the most descriptive. But the term "provably fair" is so well established that I don't think there's much upside in rebranding it.

Yeah, it has been thrown around in almost every casino I've been since I started gambling with cryptocurrencies. However, I would agree with oracleongoodbye here (though not about the word "provably" since I can't really find any truth that it is not a word because from a quick google search it almost always comes up in dictionaries that it is an adverb of the word "prove"). I agree with the part about renaming it because exactly of the fact that it has been thrown around too much and has not been taken seriously by casinos.

Probably, the best thing to do is the CGF should create it's own branding that would specifically say that it has been reviewed by CGF and that brand means like a certified seal of authenticity of sorts. Then this should be verifiable as well in the CGF website probably through a list of casinos that CGF has given its seal of approval.

I think 'provably' is slightly confusing because it looks and sounds too similar to 'probably' (which isn't good) and people are often not sure how it's even pronounced. It's obviously pronounced 'proove-ably' but I often hear people say it as prov-ably which just leads to confusion (because what the hell is prov-ably?  Grin).

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/provably

I think a rebranding would be helpful but you could just start referring to it as provably fair / true fairness or verifiably fair etc and see if one of them catches on along with provably or if its use even surpasses that of provably. If this foundation pushes one of them I soon think the phrase would catch on and could become a mark of quality/trust.
hero member
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I think provably fair should be renamed to something like "True Fairness" or "Verify Fairness". Provably is barely even a word in my opinion.

I think "verifiable fairness", is the most descriptive. But the term "provably fair" is so well established that I don't think there's much upside in rebranding it.

Yeah, it has been thrown around in almost every casino I've been since I started gambling with cryptocurrencies. However, I would agree with oracleongoodbye here (though not about the word "provably" since I can't really find any truth that it is not a word because from a quick google search it almost always comes up in dictionaries that it is an adverb of the word "prove"). I agree with the part about renaming it because exactly of the fact that it has been thrown around too much and has not been taken seriously by casinos.

Probably, the best thing to do is the CGF should create it's own branding that would specifically say that it has been reviewed by CGF and that brand means like a certified seal of authenticity of sorts. Then this should be verifiable as well in the CGF website probably through a list of casinos that CGF has given its seal of approval.
legendary
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I think provably fair should be renamed to something like "True Fairness" or "Verify Fairness". Provably is barely even a word in my opinion.

I think "verifiable fairness", is the most descriptive. But the term "provably fair" is so well established that I don't think there's much upside in rebranding it.
sr. member
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I think provably fair should be renamed to something like "True Fairness" or "Verify Fairness". Provably is barely even a word in my opinion.
newbie
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Great site and great sight Grin always good to see people stepping up for the rights of their players and demanding that people implement proper provably fair systems. It still amazes me people gamble at sites where there's almost no proof that good practices are in play.
legendary
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For me, the most important thing when it comes to online casinos is that I can verify my bets, to make sure that casino is not cheating in some way. I support you guys 100% and I really looking forward to it.

P.S.
A lot of players don't really know what "provably fair" really means. Your articles are more than helpful.

Good Luck!

These days verifying bets is standard practice. Almost every site has some form of provably fair technology for verifying bets.

I think what sites need to do however is have some form of similiar provably fair software. Because some sites do it differently than others. For example some sites always give you a new client seed for every roll, some sites only do it per session.

This is fine however but it makes it very difficult for a new person to verify the bets if they aren't used to the basic standard.

For example look at www.megadice.com, they give you a provably fair seed, but we have no idea how to verify it
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For me, the most important thing when it comes to online casinos is that I can verify my bets, to make sure that casino is not cheating in some way. I support you guys 100% and I'm really looking forward to it.

P.S.
A lot of players don't really know what "provably fair" really means. Your articles are more than helpful.

Good Luck!
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legendary
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Aengus, did you found the CGF or did Stunna.

Looks like Aengus is. I'm sure Stunna is apart of it. None the less the idea behind it is that. no one should really own it.


Stupid question I guess. I hope this foundation stays decentralised. I'm sure they will due to the fact how trusted the names behind it are.

Looking forward to seeing this grow. I loved everything on the website, awesome articles. I even reposted some if you all didn't mind.

We like to think that.

We're working on really pushing the foundation to the next level shortly.

I've been getting numerous PM's, alongside Stunna, for websites to join the foundation but don't have the right requirements. We've introduced a team of two people to help these casinos fix their fairness and join up.

very good  and helpful move IMO

we are again in a dead end situation because the dev we had for more than 6 month now stopped for now. I will contact you guys soon and lets see if you can help after understanding our situation.

good luck
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Edward Miroslav
Aengus, did you found the CGF or did Stunna.

Looks like Aengus is. I'm sure Stunna is apart of it. None the less the idea behind it is that. no one should really own it.


Stupid question I guess. I hope this foundation stays decentralised. I'm sure they will due to the fact how trusted the names behind it are.

Looking forward to seeing this grow. I loved everything on the website, awesome articles. I even reposted some if you all didn't mind.

We like to think that.

We're working on really pushing the foundation to the next level shortly.

I've been getting numerous PM's, alongside Stunna, for websites to join the foundation but don't have the right requirements. We've introduced a team of two people to help these casinos fix their fairness and join up.
sr. member
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Aengus, did you found the CGF or did Stunna.

Looks like Aengus is. I'm sure Stunna is apart of it. None the less the idea behind it is that. no one should really own it.


Stupid question I guess. I hope this foundation stays decentralised. I'm sure they will due to the fact how trusted the names behind it are.

Looking forward to seeing this grow. I loved everything on the website, awesome articles. I even reposted some if you all didn't mind.
sr. member
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Aengus, did you found the CGF or did Stunna.

Looks like Aengus is. I'm sure Stunna is apart of it. None the less the idea behind it is that. no one should really own it.
sr. member
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Aengus, did you found the CGF or did Stunna.
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