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jr. member
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BCH.games
I noticed that some sites featured on the Crypto Gambling Foundation homepage are no longer active:

  • onehash.com
  • luckydice.com
  • bitkong.com
  • simpledice.com
  • cyberdice.net

In some cases, they went offline after debatable changes related to their token (KONG), officially due to "ownership transitions".

It might be a good time to update the homepage, and perhaps consider adding BCH.games.
We've maintained a perfect track record over the past four years (though I may be a bit biased!).
newbie
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contact mail is not working i got scammed on Stake by Evolution.I need to contact with you.
legendary
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Since 21 months!!! I demand compensation for the unjustifiably lost 30,000 USD at Stake's provably rigged in-house Black Jack system and all responsible parties like the alleged Stake "Legal Department", managing director Xecutive Corporate Management B.V., the 8048/JAZ license holder Antillephone N.V. and the Curacao Gaming Control Board ignore me!

Below is proof that the Stake in-house Black Jack system is rigged!

Info 1)

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)

Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.


Info 2)

The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.

Losing 0,5% out of 180,900 bets placed = 900 bets lost.

If you compare Info 1) with Info 2), you can see that I lost 8,327 bets instead of the 900 bets I should lose = 9 times more!

While there is a deviation from the expected outcome, it can not be 9 times more after 180,900 bets!


Info 3)

When the house edge is 0,5% and you placed 180,900 bets, you will lose 900 bets and the remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips.

The remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips, because they are neutral and you will win 50% = 90,000 bets and lose 50% = 90,000 bets.

4,6% of the bets lost while I should lose only 0,5% means my experienced deviation of the 180,000 coin flips is 4,1%!


Now let's take a look at the standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips:

A) Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (In 68% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0,12%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 34 times higher than the standard deviation (4,1% : 0,12% = 34)

B) 3 times standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 0,36% (In 99,7% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0.36%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 11 times higher than the 3 times standard deviation (4,1% : 0,36% = 11)

 
Info 4)

The Stake bet transaction history only states 180,900 single bet events and no overview of my experienced house edge.

To get my experienced house edge from the bet transaction history, I would need to take a look at all 180,900 bets and calculate it manually!

If the cards were dealt fair and I lost only 0,5% of all bets placed while the statistics states that I lost 4,6%, then the Stake statistics is rigged!

In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake or the 8048/JAZ license holder Antillephone N.V. has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.

Your calculations are worthless if you aren't going to consider the different possible payouts in blackjack and their frequency.   Blackjack pays out 2-1, player having the option to double and split, both raising the average amount of a player win.  You acting like every hsingle hand the player either wins 1 unit, loses one unit or pushes.  That's nonsense.



newbie
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Since 21 months!!! I demand compensation for the unjustifiably lost 30,000 USD at Stake's provably rigged in-house Black Jack system and all responsible parties like the alleged Stake "Legal Department", managing director Xecutive Corporate Management B.V., the 8048/JAZ license holder Antillephone N.V. and the Curacao Gaming Control Board ignore me!

Below is proof that the Stake in-house Black Jack system is rigged!

Info 1)

The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.

However, if you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)

Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.

0,5% house edge out of 180,900 bets placed I should lose 900 bets + a possible small deviation.

8,327 bets lost - 900 bets I should lose = 7,427 bets too much lost.


Info 2)

Bets

After 180,900 bets, the technically maximal possible deviation is 0,4% from the expected outcome according to the law of large numbers (See Info 3).

180,000 bets x 0,4% = 720 bets I could maximal additionally lose on top of the 900 bets I will lose based on the 0,5% house edge.

7,427 bets too much lost minus 720 bets I can additional maximal lose = 6,707 bets = additional 9,3 times on top of the maximal possible deviation!

House edge

0,5% house edge = 900 bets plus 720 bets I can maximal additionally lose = 80% additional maximal possible house edge.

0,5% house edge plus 80% = 0,4% additional maximal possible house edge = 0,9% maximal possible house edge!

Experienced house edge 4,6% minus 0,9% maximal possible house edge = 3,7% additional house edge!

3,7% additional house edge : 0,4% additional maximal possible house edge = additional 9,3 times on top of the maximal possible deviation!

Stake's own statistics is 100% proof that their in-house Black Jack system is rigged!


Info 3)

When the house edge is 0,5% and you placed 180,900 bets, you will lose 900 bets and the remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips.

The remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips, because they are neutral and you will win 50% = 90,000 bets and lose 50% = 90,000 bets.


Now let's take a look at the technically maximal possible deviation for 180,000 coin flips:

A) Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (In 68% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0,12%)

B) 3 times standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 0,36% (In 99,7% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0.36%)
 
What does 99,7% mean?

When you make 333 times a serie of 180,900 bets, then 332 times the deviation from the expected outcome will be up to 0,36% and only one time the deviation will be higher than 0,36%.

I was not able to find how much the deviation could be in this one case where it is higher than 0,36%, but likely not more than 10% of the 0,36% = 0,4%.


Info 4)

The Stake bet transaction history only states 180,900 single bet events and no overview of my experienced house edge.

To get my experienced house edge from the bet transaction history, I would need to take a look at all 180,900 bets and calculate it manually!

If the cards were dealt fair and I lost only 0,5% of all bets placed while the statistics states that I lost 4,6%, then the Stake statistics is rigged!

In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.
legendary
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after discovery and compensation demand I am still not compensated!

That's because you weren't cheated.  You lost and then made up a bunch of nonsense to try and get your money back.

I don't think they will not compensate the players who really deserve it. Also, if the accusations are true, a lot of players will not play anymore on this site. However, it is still one of the top casinos that you can rely on when it comes to crypto gaming. So he should re-visit his demand and see where it went wrong why he was not compensated.
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after discovery and compensation demand I am still not compensated!

That's because you weren't cheated.  You lost and then made up a bunch of nonsense to try and get your money back.
newbie
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Stake celebrates the 7th anniversary of its provably rigged in-house Black Jack system and 19 months!!! after discovery and compensation demand I am still not compensated!

Is it because Stake is managed by two RuneScape players and a chat moderator?  Cheesy
legendary
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The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.

Losing 0,5% out of 180,900 bets placed = 900 bets lost.

This would be true if instead of playing blackjack you were playing a game that paid double your bet 49.5% of the time.

But you were playing black jack, where sometimes the payout is more than double your bet, sometimes less, and sometimes you have the option to increase your bet after the initial deal, so...

no.

With perfect strategy playing blackjack, something I think it's highly unlikely you're capable of since basic math fundamentals are required, you have a ~42% chance of winning each deal and a ~49% chance of losing and pushing the rest. (give or take a bit depending on the rules). 

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Discussion in this thread got derailed...  Undecided Going back to the topic - is this 'Foundation' still operational?
legendary
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Wrong.  
A hand of black jack and a coinflip are not the same.

In blackjack, the dealer wins more hands than the player - but the player is able to win more than even money as well as increase their wager after knowing what their hand and the dealers up card is.  It's not possible to calculate the rtp in blackjack knowing only how many hands a player won and lost.  

You can't just pretend like blackjacks don't payout 2-1, and doubles and splits don't exist and expect anyone to take you're "proof" seriously.  


Since 18 months!!!

As soon as you provide actual proof that you were cheated you will be taken seriously.  Or you can keep posting nonsense.
full member
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Since 18 months!!! I demand compensation for the unjustifiably lost 30,000 USD at Stake's provably rigged in-house Black Jack system and all responsible parties like the alleged Stake "Legal Department", managing director Xecutive Corporate Management B.V., the 8048/JAZ license holder Antillephone N.V. and the Curacao Gaming Control Board ignore me!
I think that if you have anything in any platform as you said a stake, that you need a compensation and you have been telling stake to compensate you, I think that the best thing to do is to make sure that you have contact the live support and tell them your challenges and if your case is a genuine one I think support will help you to iron it out amicable, and if they continue to ignore you or block you, you can as well file them in scam accusations, or you take them to twitter or Instagram, so if they see your curiosity I think that the management will make sure they have sort out your issues with them.
newbie
Activity: 333
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Since 18 months!!! I demand compensation for the unjustifiably lost 30,000 USD at Stake's provably rigged in-house Black Jack system and all responsible parties like the alleged Stake "Legal Department", managing director Xecutive Corporate Management B.V., the 8048/JAZ license holder Antillephone N.V. and the Curacao Gaming Control Board ignore me!

Below is proof that the Stake in-house Black Jack system is rigged!

Info 1)

The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.

However, if you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)

Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.

0,5% house edge out of 180,900 bets placed I should lose 900 bets + a possible small deviation.

8,327 bets lost - 900 bets I should lose = 7,427 bets too much lost.


Info 2)

Bets

After 180,900 bets, the technically maximal possible deviation is 0,4% from the expected outcome according to the law of large numbers (See Info 3).

180,000 bets x 0,4% = 720 bets I could maximal additionally lose on top of the 900 bets I will lose based on the 0,5% house edge.

7,427 bets too much lost minus 720 bets I can additional maximal lose = 6,707 bets = additional 9,3 times on top of the maximal possible deviation!

House edge

0,5% house edge = 900 bets plus 720 bets I can maximal additionally lose = 80% additional maximal possible house edge.

0,5% house edge plus 80% = 0,4% additional maximal possible house edge = 0,9% maximal possible house edge!

Experienced house edge 4,6% minus 0,9% maximal possible house edge = 3,7% additional house edge!

3,7% additional house edge : 0,4% additional maximal possible house edge = additional 9,3 times on top of the maximal possible deviation!

Stake's own statistics is 100% proof that their in-house Black Jack system is rigged!


Info 3)

When the house edge is 0,5% and you placed 180,900 bets, you will lose 900 bets and the remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips.

The remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips, because they are neutral and you will win 50% = 90,000 bets and lose 50% = 90,000 bets.


Now let's take a look at the technically maximal possible deviation for 180,000 coin flips:

A) Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (In 68% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0,12%)

B) 3 times standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 0,36% (In 99,7% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0.36%)
 
What does 99,7% mean?

When you make 333 times a serie of 180,900 bets, then 332 times the deviation from the expected outcome will be up to 0,36% and only one time the deviation will be higher than 0,36%.

I was not able to find how much the deviation could be in this one case where it is higher than 0,36%, but likely not more than 10% of the 0,36% = 0,4%.


Info 4)

The Stake bet transaction history only states 180,900 single bet events and no overview of my experienced house edge.

To get my experienced house edge from the bet transaction history, I would need to take a look at all 180,900 bets and calculate it manually!

If the cards were dealt fair and I lost only 0,5% of all bets placed while the statistics states that I lost 4,6%, then the Stake statistics is rigged!

In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.
legendary
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5 months after the 8048/JAZ license holder Antillephone N.V. forwarded my compensation demand to the Stake alleged "Legal Department" and the Stake managing director Xecutive Corporate Management B.V., they still have not answered!

How on earth can you run a provably rigged in-house Black Jack system and ignore the request by your license issuer?

Is it because Stake is managed by two RuneScape players and a chat moderator?  Cheesy

Well your claim is complete nonsense, so if they ever do respond you won't like what they say.
newbie
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5 months after the 8048/JAZ license holder Antillephone N.V. forwarded my compensation demand to the Stake alleged "Legal Department" and the Stake managing director Xecutive Corporate Management B.V., they still have not answered!

How on earth can you run a provably rigged in-house Black Jack system and ignore the request by your license issuer?

Is it because Stake is managed by two RuneScape players and a chat moderator?  Cheesy
legendary
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And as a provably rigged in-house Black Jack system is a violation of the applicable regulations, they have to investigate this further.

It's not provably rigged, you're just an idiot that doesn't understand basic math.  One of many examples: you didn't even consider blackjack pays 3-2 in your calculation.  Even if the rest of your math were accurate (it's not - not even close) treating each hand as if the only possible outcomes are lose 1 bet, win 1 bet or tie is not how blackjack works.
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On December 7, 2023, I have sent the below email to the Curacao Gaming Control Board

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I contact you because you are tasked with the supervision of the online gaming sector.
 
I ask you to intervene against the criminal crypto currency online casino operation stake.com which publicly claims to be operated by Medium Rare N.V.
 
Their in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and I unjustifiably lost BTC worth around 30,000 USD (more info and proof see below).
 
They also do not fulfill Article 16 of the 8048/JAZ license:
 
Quote: "1. The license holder keeps a daily overview of the games of chance played, the number of times each game has been played, the bets made and the prize money achieved.

2. The data referred to in the first paragraph will be stored in a proper manner during the period that company data must be stored pursuant to the National Ordinance on Profit Tax 1940 (P.B. 1965, no. 58)."
 
I asked [email protected] to send me my daily overview of the number of Black Jack hands I played, the bets made and the prize money achieved, but they did not send it.
 
 
Below is proof that the Stake in-house Black Jack system is rigged!
 
Info 1)

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)

Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.


Info 2)

The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.

Losing 0,5% out of 180,904 bets placed = 900 bets lost.

If you compare Info 1) with Info 2), you can see that I lost 8,327 bets instead of the 900 bets I should lose = 9 times more!

While there is a deviation from the expected outcome, it can not be 9 times more after 180,904 bets!


Info 3)

When the house edge is 0,5% and you placed 180,900 bets, you will lose 900 bets and the remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips.

The remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips, because they are neutral and you will win 50% = 90,000 bets and lose 50% = 90,000 bets.

4,6% of the bets lost while I should lose only 0,5% means my experienced deviation of the 180,000 coin flips is 4,1%!


Now let's take a look at the standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips:

A) Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (In 68% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0,12%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 34 times higher than the standard deviation (4,1% : 0,12% = 34)

B) 3 times standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 0,36% (In 99,7% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0.36%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 11 times higher than the 3 times standard deviation (4,1% : 0,36% = 11)

 
Info 4)

The Stake bet transaction history only states 180,000 single bet events and no overview of my experienced house edge.

To get my experienced house edge from the bet transaction history, I would need to take a look at all 180,000 bets and calculate it manually!

If the cards were dealt fair and I lost only 0,5% of all bets placed while the statistics states that I lost 4,6%, then the Stake statistics is rigged!

In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.
 
 
Awaiting your reply

After 6 months!!! they answered now the following

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Dear Sir / Madam,

Thank you for your email.

Unfortunately, the Curaçao Gaming Control Board (GCB) is currently not able to handle your request.

The government of Curaçao is actively in the process of modernizing our gambling legislation and setting up our online gaming policies and procedures. We expect to be of more help as soon as the new legislation enters into force,  which we expect to be the case in the second half of 2024.

We kindly point out in advance that the GCB will not investigate all complaints. For example, the GCB does not have the authority to adjudicate disputes between the complainant and the accused party and to settle claims or award damages. Only if a complaint indicates a violation of the applicable regulations, the supervisory task of the GCB entails that this will be investigated further.

For the time being, we kindly suggest, that at all times you seek legal advice for any claims you may have vis-à-vis the license holder or other party or parties. We refer to the following page that contains a list of law firms established in Curacao that may be able to assist you:

http://www.dutchcaribbeanlegalportal.com/legal-contacts/law-firms?sid=102:Law-Firms-Curacao.

Sincerely,

Curaçao Gaming Control Board

Their website states that since March 2020, they have been tasked with the licensing for and supervision of the online gaming sector on behalf of the Minister of Finance.

But even though they are tasked with the supervision of the online gaming sector in Curacao, they do not enforce it, because otherwise Medium Rare N.V. would not be able to run a provably rigged in-house Black Jack system!

In their email they say:

"Only if a complaint indicates a violation of the applicable regulations, the supervisory task of the GCB entails that this will be investigated further."

And as a provably rigged in-house Black Jack system is a violation of the applicable regulations, they have to investigate this further.
legendary
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4 months after the 8048/JAZ license holder Antillephone N.V. forwarded my compensation demand to the Stake alleged "Legal Department" and the Stake managing director Xecutive Corporate Management B.V., they still have not answered!

How on earth can you run a provably rigged in-house Black Jack system and ignore the request by your license issuer?

Is it because Stake is managed by two RuneScape players and a chat moderator?  Cheesy

That's because your complaint is literally just nonsense.

You've crying on this forum about being cheated for 17 months now without convincing anyone of anything other than that you're a loser that sucks at math and therefore blackjack.

newbie
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4 months after the 8048/JAZ license holder Antillephone N.V. forwarded my compensation demand to the Stake alleged "Legal Department" and the Stake managing director Xecutive Corporate Management B.V., they still have not answered!

How on earth can you run a provably rigged in-house Black Jack system and ignore the request by your license issuer?

Is it because Stake is managed by two RuneScape players and a chat moderator?  Cheesy
legendary
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Unfortunately, you were not the owner of Bustabit when the 2 BTC was paid for the licence but are having to deal with something from the legacy. It is very good to see you are continuing a high level of customer services in the same manner that the previous owner/operator did.

Keeping that aside, I have some reservations about the claim being made about the licence. Regardless of the background issues he states he is going through, it seems the claim is being made because he wants to re-sell the licence back and receive the same payment (in BTC) that it was purchased for. Failing that, the secondary plan to validate the licence is the next best thing. By not having a written contract clearly stating the definitions, it was probably going to cause issues later one day.

It will be interesting to see the next update.

I have spoken to a lawyer, and I've been told that legally I have absolutely nothing, and the original writer of the code has legal rights to require the discontinuation of the code at any time.

Could you please have your lawyer contact me on [email protected] and reference the details of the sold license? I will happily, free of any additional charges, work with your lawyer to provide all the guarantees you or your broker require (i.e. signing the necessary contracts, permissions, licenses, etc.).
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