Topic: Dark Enlightenment - page 15. (Read 69319 times)

Oh, you are so humorous.

One thought, though. The back side of the moon may be dark with relation to the people of earth, but it is bathed in sunlight daily as it swings around the earth.

He did not, by and large. At least not in the way that Communism is understood today. Communism, for him, was just a philosophical concept, some kind of evolutionary (end?-) point of humanity in the future that would happen naturally (tribes -> feudalism -> capitalism -> communism) (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism). The utopian kind communism is not an authoritarian system, it's rather that people would voluntary follow the lifestyle of *from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs*, as they would finally realize they can be freed from the coercion of capital, money, and property. Essentially a world where the provision of all basic needs (and beyond) is automated by robots/computers anyway, and workers have to contribute very little, if at all.

The discourse on the left is rather about what needs to happen on the road to that goal. Some kind of consensus is that changes first and foremost happen through revolutions. The right strategies have to be employed to steer revolutions (that would necessarily happen in the course of history anyway) into the right direction. Although Communism means a society without both capital and the state, some revolutionary thinkers wanted to use the state as a temporary(!) tool, and subvert it by turning the dictatorship of the bourgeois into the dictatorship of the proletariat; that was Lenin's line of thought, and he got his way, the rest is history.

rpietila, I moved our discussion about theory of change activism in money systems, and username18333 on the applicability of his Great Empire of Hyperaccelerated Redistribution Theft™ anti-money altcoin, to the Economic Devastation thread which is more apropos.

Even Karl Marx understood that the system of social structure was a result of (and not the cause of) the mode of production driven by technology (a.k.a. "natural science"). He eloquently stated that the mode of production shifted over time due to changes in the underlying technological "forces of" production. He explained that what he meant by capitalism is the "modern bourgeois society" which he certainly meant those who could aggregate more capital in the power-law distribution simply because they had more capital.

Karl Marx did not state that the reason for this rise of monetary capitalists is because the Industrial Age can be financed with usury because industry (e.g. factories) require high fixed capital investments, with amortized rates of return. And thus industrial society can not produce without concentration of monetary capital. And thus capitalists are then able to capture the government and write off usury defaults to the public backstop, because in an industrial society production is too big to fail because it does not incorporate Taleb's anti-fragility thus investments in production overcommit to egregious estimation errors because there is a contagion effect of increasing debt to stimulate demand and production. In short, the entire industrial system is doomed to corruption by its very technological nature regardless what social structure is attempted to build on top of it.

Whereas, in the opening post of the Economic Devastation thread, CoinCube has cited my writings on the theory that the Knowledge Age inverts the control over capital, because knowledge creation (not preexisting knowledge consumption per se, although learning is diversified especially if autodidactic undirected and thus a form of innovative knowledge creation) spawns chaotically and unpredictably, thus can not be control by monetary capital. It is the changes in technology which have enabled individuals to directly "sell" (trade) their knowledge creation into the market of demand for knowledge creation, and stepping out from under the control and reason for existance of the corporation in the Theory of the Firm, that is destroying the utility of excessive quantities of stored monetary capital, because it is implausible to convert these large stores of capital to efficient production of knowledge. This is the why the old world industrial capitalists are creating a new world order of totalitarian control in order to try to hang on to their power which is being fundamentally eroded by technological shift to the Knowledge Age.

I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.

I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.

I have argued that username18333 makes the same mistake that all communists and socialists do, in that they can think by force of destroying freedom by stealing from some to give to others that they can change the underlying forces of production. One day I will need to take the time to read all of Marx to understand how he ostensibly transitioned from a correct statement of reality in the Preface to such a horrific killing field of Communism.

P.S. I am the former AnonyMint, the creator of this Dark Enlightenment thread.

Coherently unifying all the concepts:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9387308

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9438334

Guerrilla Economist, V talks about the end of the US dollar in 2015 (amongst other things).
This appears to coincide with AnonyMint's 2015.75; looks like we have about a year.

Are you ready?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejxx_dpzYO0

Great to have you back.

Self-defeating attitude, den Schwanz einziehend (pulling in the cock, as we say in German, chickening out).

Also untrue. Centrally controlled digital currencies would have come either way. No need to allure the population with Bitcoin first. A nice Apple or Facebook app will suffice (with strong lobby for subsidization to prevent high fees due to "customer" "protection" and AML/KYC costs).


4/ RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

"Schwanz einziehen"-Attitude again.

Why The Deep State Always Wins: The Zero-Sum Game of Perpetual War

http://cryptome.org/2014/08/deep-state-wins.pdf

1/ IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
2/ WAR IS PEACE
3/ SLAVERY IS FREEDOM

Not many people know that Anarchy has been tried to quite a significant extent. That is until I think the first world war (?) put an end to their non sovereignty.

This book is vital in demonstrating this:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=JGUJVMbsCovUPJyogOAI&url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00KB6DLUO%3Fpc_redir%3D1409549021%26robot_redir%3D1&cd=2&ved=0CB8QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNEPK8zowwyr1nQqlyVvw1BePv7DLA&sig2=tyUNOkXu4idQNaWBkk5mzw

If you don't want to read, Google an interview with the author. I think liberty.me did one.

Your links don't go anywhere that provides a clear list of the principles of the "Dark Enlightenment" without a giant mess of quotes from various threads. That being said, I gather that it has three chief "complaints":

1) "The Cathedral" is lying to us about major issues.

Nowhere do you seem to explain what "The Cathedral" is, or which issues it is lying about other than (2).

2) The common refrain that "all men are created equal" is false.

This is obviously correct, not all men (and women) are equal. In fact, they all differ from each other in countless ways. But few apart from the very dense really take this statement to mean that everyone should be considered equal in terms of their ability, intelligence, attractiveness, strength, etc. What it really means is that everyone should be treated equally in the eyes of the law, and presented with the same sets of opportunities in life, regardless of their race, gender, etc.

3) Democracy is a failure.

Certainly democracy has many problems. Few nations follow a model of pure democracy; usually democracy is tempered by a constitution, a court system, corporate interests, international treaties, etc. Nevertheless, democratic systems of government today prevalent in Western nations have given rise to the most prosperous societies in human history, with the greatest quality of life and freedoms for their citizens. Furthermore, no alternative systems that give rise to a better form of government have been demonstrated. The only alternatives that have been tried (monarchy, theocracy, dictatorship, etc) are worse, not better.

So far the Westerners would not yet agree to give up the financial privacy of being able to sign up a bank account where ever they wish, even in jurisdictions that have bank secrecy, e.g. the Philippines where I am and also apparently Ecuador. They are boiling frogs and don't realize what is going to hit them post 2015.75.

So the powers-that-be have numerous strategies for how they are breaking down that resistance in order to bring us to total government control:

1. Plant Bitcoin to condition the people to like "digital currencies", garnish the glossy-eyed devotion of the high-tech libertarians, and to give governments an excuse to make it illegal and create draconian replacements in their jurisdictions.

2. 19 muslims on camels, 9/11, Patriot Act, then FATCA.

3. Bring bank accounts of interest in bank secrecy jurisdictions into the risk mgmt department, and have them send out an SMS with all transaction details on every transaction asking if this was an authorized tx (I know anecdotally for a fact this happening).

4. Pile up the debt so high, repeal Glass-Steagal so banks can bankrupt themselves on speculation, so then the only solution is to 'restructure' (bailin, nationalize, confiscate by any other name) society's savings and pensions. This will require numbered accounts for each person in order to dole out "daily living allowances".

Etc..



The only hope is distribution as a currency to the developing world has to begin pronto. Bitcoin isn't even close because it is centralization and rich boys investment pump paradigm (where the participants are deluded into think it is a currency paradigm).

I will not repeat again my past posts which reveal some ideas for solutions because I am losing time.

Currently about 6 billion people in the world still use cash. They are the future, because the have:

1. The youth.
2. Not the retirees.
3. Not the debt.
4. Not the massive social system, taxes, and unfunded liabilities.
5. Not the destroyed family unit and reproduction.

What they adopt is what rules the world.

Already in Hong Kong, most everyone swipes a digital card to pay most transactions. I was there in January 2014.

India recently started to move towards adopting a digital currency and digital tagging of all the population.

The model predicts the financial capital of the world will shift to Shanghai and the developing world.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/08/05/the-shift-from-west-to-the-east/



Now fuck off with your nonsense, ill-informed, Butthurtcoin posts.

The window of opportunity is closing while you all stroke your useless (bankrupt) Caucasian pride.

Butthurtcoin is pushing the nation-states to adopt their own national digital currencies, while Butthurtcoin is scaling too slow to be a ubiquitous replacement. And Butthurtcoin is failing and falling under control of a rich boys club.


You are so naive. The people in the developing world could give a rats ass about our idealism and problems with bloated socialism. They don't have high taxes, bloated social systems.

They need to get paid to buy food. They will accept payment in what ever they are paid with. They are already adopting oDesk which they can withdraw with their ATM card. The governments will plug their digital currencies into this.

Cross-posting...


I am not complying. But the fruits of my efforts are not yet visible, and quite possibly might arrive too late. I did light a fire under my butt just now though.

We can't fight by just openly refusing to comply, because there are enough people who are going to stand with the sinking Titanic and grab us on the way down to make sure we sink with them.

Imo, the only way we can fight is with technology. The geographical frontiers are closing. As Armstrong says, "you can't jump on a boat, plane, train, or car with gold and go make a new life some where".


Imagine a world where everyone is armed with individual technology which thwarts force. Then we don't need the government to protect us from warlords.

Welcome to the Knowledge Age.

My target market thoughts. The abnormal inequality of distribution (by design) is killing crypto-currency.

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Subject: You can lead an Armstrong horse to water,  but you can't make it drink
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Tue, September 2, 2014 9:45 pm
To:      Armstrong Economics
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Armstrong is correct in many of his points about gold:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/09/02/will-gold-still-go-to-5000/

But can anyone spot the flaws in his analysis?

The control over the issuance of money and debt is intimately tied to the power vacuum of democracy. Gold as money isn't entirely autonomous as it needs to be stamped for purity and weight in order to be used as rapid medium-of-exchange.

He still doesn't get it! PoW is a technological Richter scale 11 earthquake.

He is likely posting that because I accused him of not getting it. And he still doesn't get it!