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March 04, 2014, 11:59:39 AM
#34
Warning, this will exceed the intellectual capacity of most readers here. This is intended for the high IQ audience of Eric's blog.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5457696
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I have long studied the mechanisms of Dark.  For example, the curious Dark Switches on the wall that when turned in the down position, suck all the light out of the room.  These can be noted to be connected to the active mechanism, the Dark Bulb, for for the newly energy conscious, the Dark Noodle.

There is a massively huge Dark which orbits the Earth and vacuums up light on a 24 hour basis.  It was once believed that all of these minor Dark entities originate from the Dark Side of the Moon.  Now we know that verily, it is the Poles of the Moon which shelter the Craters of Eternal Dark, where for billions of years only the light of far away stars has impacted.

Then there are Books, which cannot even be read in the Dark, which proves their transient nature and even worse, computer screens the abject enemy of Dark, intruding into every corner with luminiscent glowing horrror.

Taken together with my immediately prior post, indeed there is always a mathematical dual lurking ("JustSaying" is me).

The (Bright) enlightenment of the Renaissance was to raise society from the dark anarchy of decentralized warlordism a.k.a. feudalism into the collective light of art, culture, finance, governance, central banking, usury and top-down order.

Now the (Dark) enlightenment pushes us from the order into the decentralized disorder (where in Shannon entropy disorder means maximizing the number of least probable possibilities i.e. maximizing degrees-of-freedom and diversity).

This is the pendulum of Contentionism that CoinCube and I have been theorizing about.

I've stumbled onto an analogy in my recent work on improving Zerocoin. It appears that all public key cryptography hinges on two dual forms, those based on number-theory (e.g. factoring of logarithms or elliptical curves) where the whole is collected into a monolith, or on random oracles where the whole is equipartitioned into its constituent parts (e.g. Lamport signatures). The former is an inductive and latter is a coinductive function (although to make them practical they are not unbounded oracles).

We are headed into the coinductive age where the advances are to destructively peel off freedom from the monolithic whole, instead of constructively structure the chaos in collected forms.

In the small, in Dark enlightenment (phase of the cyclical contentionism model) we have a plurality of inductive structures constructively growing within the context of the proliferation of structures destructively peeled away from the monolith increasing the economies-of-scale in the small (i.e. networking effects). Whereas in the dual of Bright enlightenment, in the small we are destructively peeling away small inductive structures and binding them together constructively to produce higher economies-of-scale in the large (i.e. fixed capital allocation).

P.S. And this post was to get you to realize I was really serious when I said this topic is for the highly intellectual. Please don't be offended by Damned truth.
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March 04, 2014, 11:43:52 AM
#33
Is Dark Enlightenment a set of ideas destined to become a real political movement?

It seems to be against top-down governance, so any politics would be decentralized and fractured.

Thus it is going to sneak up on everyone and will actually already be taking over the world before any one realizes it is.

Actually it already is.

That is why it is so powerful.

http://www.starfishandspider.com/

The Unstoppable Power of Leaderless Organizations.
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March 04, 2014, 04:09:29 AM
#32
Is Dark Enlightenment a set of ideas destined to become a real political movement?
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March 04, 2014, 02:04:13 AM
#31
One important way the Dark Enlightenment applies to Bitcoin. CoinCube you will find the contentionism throughout that linked post.
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March 04, 2014, 01:34:48 AM
#30
But there are better ways to get people's interest and attention than by insulting them and forcing them to have a knee-jerk reaction of a position opposite of yours.

Disagree. It efficiently separated the men from neutered time wasters.

Agreed, now please stop wasting everyone's time.
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March 04, 2014, 12:10:11 AM
#29
But there are better ways to get people's interest and attention than by insulting them and forcing them to have a knee-jerk reaction of a position opposite of yours.

Disagree. It efficiently separated the men from neutered time wasters.
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March 03, 2014, 11:22:16 PM
#28
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Of course (even I didn't intend it) it ended up being a litmus test because those bitchy (yes something women sometimes do) Prima Donnas instantly fell into their irrational anti-*-ism reactionary zombie programming (and that includes that anti-*-isms directed "philosophy" that is taught in schools) totally unlike a man, who prioritizes production, rationality, and treats war as a very serious matter of last resort.

One of the Damned but true Facts is that women typically (not all and not always) are much more prone to follow authority and use emotional tactics for short-term gratification. This is because their evolutionary strategy is different than men. But beta-males are so weak that with socialism peaking, they've almost been transformed into women, which is another reason we are headed for a massive global reset soon. Need to cull the population of all these men who can't produce and waste the time of productive men in hissy fits.
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Bullshit.  Just get a Maserati.

http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2014/03/03/hypergamy-cars-and-phone-numbers/

That is not a refutation, rather it is congruent with the thread on Dark Enlightenment. Perhaps it would help to do some background reading of prior ESR blogs on hypergamy (and you will likely find James A Donald's comments on them, as well my comments either as "shelby", "jocelyn", or "JustSaying").

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=site:esr.ibiblio.org+hypergamy

A natural contemplates game
I was not attempting a refutation of the arguments, rather sort of a concise restatement in a much cooler fashion.
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March 03, 2014, 11:00:23 PM
#27
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Of course (even I didn't intend it) it ended up being a litmus test because those bitchy (yes something women sometimes do) Prima Donnas instantly fell into their irrational anti-*-ism reactionary zombie programming (and that includes that anti-*-isms directed "philosophy" that is taught in schools) totally unlike a man, who prioritizes production, rationality, and treats war as a very serious matter of last resort.

One of the Damned but true Facts is that women typically (not all and not always) are much more prone to follow authority and use emotional tactics for short-term gratification. This is because their evolutionary strategy is different than men. But beta-males are so weak that with socialism peaking, they've almost been transformed into women, which is another reason we are headed for a massive global reset soon. Need to cull the population of all these men who can't produce and waste the time of productive men in hissy fits.
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Bullshit.  Just get a Maserati.

http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2014/03/03/hypergamy-cars-and-phone-numbers/

That is not a refutation, rather it is congruent with the thread on Dark Enlightenment. Perhaps it would help to do some background reading of prior ESR blogs on hypergamy (and you will likely find James A Donald's comments on them, as well my comments either as "shelby", "jocelyn", or "JustSaying").

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=site:esr.ibiblio.org+hypergamy

A natural contemplates game
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March 03, 2014, 10:51:13 PM
#26
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Of course (even I didn't intend it) it ended up being a litmus test because those bitchy (yes something women sometimes do) Prima Donnas instantly fell into their irrational anti-*-ism reactionary zombie programming (and that includes that anti-*-isms directed "philosophy" that is taught in schools) totally unlike a man, who prioritizes production, rationality, and treats war as a very serious matter of last resort.

One of the Damned but true Facts is that women typically (not all and not always) are much more prone to follow authority and use emotional tactics for short-term gratification. This is because their evolutionary strategy is different than men. But beta-males are so weak that with socialism peaking, they've almost been transformed into women, which is another reason we are headed for a massive global reset soon. Need to cull the population of all these men who can't produce and waste the time of productive men in hissy fits.
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Bullshit.  Just get a Maserati.

http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2014/03/03/hypergamy-cars-and-phone-numbers/
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March 03, 2014, 10:09:28 PM
#25
One of the core principles of Dark Enlightenment is the "Damned Fact" that we are not equal, and recognizing the failure that is the power vacuum of democracy which promotes and caters to these anti-*-isms Prima Donnas. Worse actually, it is very damn good that we are not equal, because a uniform distribution would be dead. Luckily we are diverse, and in fact every human is unique.

I originally inserted the opening sentence of the OP in an edit when I saw several people had read the thread and not voted nor posted any commentary. It occurred to me that it was likely their anti-*-ism irrationality was causing them to immediately dismiss the science and move on. So I inserted to challenge the reader to find the highly intellectual meaning.

Of course (even I didn't intend it) it ended up being a litmus test because those bitchy (yes something women sometimes do) Prima Donnas instantly fell into their irrational anti-*-ism reactionary zombie programming (and that includes that anti-*-isms directed "philosophy" that is taught in schools) totally unlike a man, who prioritizes production, rationality, and treats war as a very serious matter of last resort.

One of the Damned but true Facts is that women typically (not all and not always) are much more prone to follow authority and use emotional tactics for short-term gratification. This is because their evolutionary strategy is different than men. But beta-males are so weak that with socialism peaking, they've almost been transformed into women, which is another reason we are headed for a massive global reset soon. Nature needs to cull the population of all these men who can't produce and waste the time of productive men in hissy fits. Don't accuse me of advocating that which will happen naturally (as if I am in control  Roll Eyes). I am not. I just recognize reality.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-424861
What was so funny about the quote being on a "girl's facebook"? My IQ may not be too high as I don't get it.

A Damned but true Fact is there are very few female programmers and even fewer of them actually produce and don't cause major problems in the work place.

I met this lady who is reasonably intelligent and I was surprised when I saw that Linus quote on her facebook and I got inspired thinking maybe she and I could talk programming shop. Later I discovered this was just like social badge for her, and she wasn't at all really interested in computer science. She was more interested in finding a boyfriend, social life, and eventually a husband.

I laugh because I as a prolific programmer for 3 decades first became aware of that in that way rather late (2012 I believe). It exemplifies that I've had my head in the sand w.r.t. open source movement while I was busy actually producing instead. Seems I've caught up now on the social knowledge and need to be that productive Ostrich again.

Most likely you were offended that I would laugh thinking I was laughing at the girl, because your anti-*-isms bitch programming has turned you into a reactionary fool. But hopefully that was not your motivation for asking, in which case there are still a plurality of offended readers.
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March 03, 2014, 11:42:01 AM
#24
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5475483

Gavin could possibly have received a National Security Letter but would be compelled to answer "No" if you asked him as Linus Torvalds did while shaking his head "yes".

Let's not demonize him. He is a public figure. He is a human who probably who cares deeply about others (Sociopaths are very small percentage of the population). He probably has rationalized his situation so he can remain sane.

Satoshi solved the Byzantine Generals' problem, which had no known solution since its discovery in 1975. This enabled decentralized trust of untrusted (uncertain if can trust) peers.

Gavin as well intentioned as he may be, must be considered an untrusted peer. Thus the system of a controlling foundation is not to be trusted.

Actions speak louder than words. Judge by the merits of the action.

"Talk is cheap, show me the code"-- Linus Torvalds.

Normally we assume the code can't lie, due to the Linus rule (coined by Eric S Raymond), "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow".


You can see several things above I learned from ESR's blog and comment threads.

  • The link to "Normally" about Trusting Trust.
  • The Linus rule.
  • The importance of the Benevolent Dictator (there is our Contentionism CoinCube)
  • Discussion of sociopaths.

P.S. The Linus quote I first saw on a girl's facebook, lol.  Cheesy

What was so funny about the quote being on a "girl's facebook"? My IQ may not be too high as I don't get it.
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March 03, 2014, 10:08:00 AM
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I read this despite your tone, Anonymint. Starting off by insulting your readers is I guess a good way to thin the herd to those who can see past their egos.

I have voted yes to all. I've recently moved from the realisation that income tax is not just theft, it's actually murder, if you assume responsibility for your financial life. Last I looked the estimates were of a million dead in Iraq alone, and that doesn't include all the birth deformities and genetic degradation caused by the use of depleted uranium. The relevant response is what do we do; I've skimmed your recent posts, and I think that we share a common understanding, in that the only sensible response to the premises of DE is to stop feeding the beast. Hence a truly anonymous cryptocurrency is the way to go, because as long as we are forced to give up any of our income to those who kill for profit and pleasure, there is no exit. I think as an aside that using exchanges as a type of mixer is a way to do this, but we need a currency that is resistant to centralisation at both the mining level and at the exchange level. Nxt is interesting in the decentralised exchange, but I can't claim to have paid enough attention to know whether it's genuinely viable.
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March 03, 2014, 04:13:11 AM
#22
Hissy fits are for cats and bitches.
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March 03, 2014, 04:06:10 AM
#21
Are social skills are part of intellectual capacity? You got to practice yours Wink
Fuck social skills, the "code is the law". The truth can be abrasive, yet the code is going to win if correctly designed.

I can (will) kick your loser beta-male, ass with algorithms. Don't you know you are controlled by alpha-males and always will be. Of course as a beta-male you can't even admit this to yourself.

Ego is for Little People.
Right, if I were wise enough I would have never replied to your post in the first place, because now I have to join you in the "wanking to my own IQ" group when I point out that:

Your first sentence in OP is not something "an A-list person" would post. To tell most readers that their IQ is not high enough for your thread is nothing but a display of your ego.

That first sentence in the OP was a litmus test to see if you are beta ("B-list") or alpha ("A-list").
Okay, so it was a test? What if I tell you my post was a test too?

You sent a post of flames, swearing and threatening to kick my ass in response to my lame nitpick.

Which "list" were you in again?
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March 03, 2014, 03:57:25 AM
#20
Warning, this will exceed the intellectual capacity of most readers here.

So why are you reading it?
He said capacity, not capability. Capacity as in "empty space", of which his brain has a disproportionately large amount, compared to most readers here.

Oh  !!!!  that was a good one.
But I really don't know what he's still doing here , together with us , people with low volume.

Why are you still posting juvenile cat fights in my thread?  Roll Eyes

You are quite talented at wasting time.

You invest your life in your butthurt ego. Have you ever accomplished anything?
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March 02, 2014, 11:18:32 PM
#19
Warning, this will exceed the intellectual capacity of most readers here.

So why are you reading it?
He said capacity, not capability. Capacity as in "empty space", of which his brain has a disproportionately large amount, compared to most readers here.

Oh  !!!!  that was a good one.
But I really don't know what he's still doing here , together with us , people with low volume.
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March 02, 2014, 10:58:14 PM
#18
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5475483

Gavin could possibly have received a National Security Letter but would be compelled to answer "No" if you asked him as Linus Torvalds did while shaking his head "yes".

Let's not demonize him. He is a public figure. He is a human who probably who cares deeply about others (Sociopaths are very small percentage of the population). He probably has rationalized his situation so he can remain sane.

Satoshi solved the Byzantine Generals' problem, which had no known solution since its discovery in 1975. This enabled decentralized trust of untrusted (uncertain if can trust) peers.

Gavin as well intentioned as he may be, must be considered an untrusted peer. Thus the system of a controlling foundation is not to be trusted.

Actions speak louder than words. Judge by the merits of the action.

"Talk is cheap, show me the code"-- Linus Torvalds.

Normally we assume the code can't lie, due to the Linus rule (coined by Eric S Raymond), "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow".


You can see several things above I learned from ESR's blog and comment threads.

  • The Trusting Trust linked from "Normally" above.
  • The Linus rule.
  • The importance of the Benevolent Dictator (there is our Contentionism CoinCube)
  • Discussion of sociopaths.

P.S. The Linus quote I first saw on a girl's facebook, lol.  Cheesy
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March 02, 2014, 10:10:28 PM
#17
The reason I find ESR's blog interesting in spite of the many (high IQ or at least articulate) socialists, feminists, racists, etc who populate his comment threads, is because there are few there (ESR included) who help distill generative essence of fundamental trends, e.g. Eric's The Cathedral and the Bazaar was the articulation of the generative essence for Bitcoin.

I go there to check my rationality and gain synergies about formulating the core trends in the Knowledge Age.
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March 02, 2014, 08:45:08 PM
#16
Are social skills are part of intellectual capacity? You got to practice yours Wink

Fuck social skills, the "code is the law". The truth can be abrasive, yet the code is going to win if correctly designed.

I can (will) kick your loser beta-male, ass with algorithms. Don't you know you are controlled by alpha-males and always will be. Of course as a beta-male you can't even admit this to yourself.

Ego is for Little People.

That first sentence in the OP was a litmus test to see if you are beta ("B-list") or alpha ("A-list").

I do hope you understand that Satoshi proved that in the world of open source, crypto-currency, reputation and identity of the creator has nothing to do with the success or failure.

This is the next frontier for open source. The Benevolent Dictator will not be chosen based on his personality, rather on the awesomeness of the code he creates and the expertise and wisdom in directing and integrating the code commits of others.

Besides I am a very nice person, have more friends than my Dunbar limit, and am generally smiling, joking and having a great time with total strangers every day. It is only these butthurt B-listers in forums who seem to have a problem with their ego.

Note Linus Torvalds regularly pisses people off, because he explained that being a Finn and not wanting to give people a misleading direction, he regularly speaks very frankly (and thus abrasively in terms of B-lister ego).
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March 02, 2014, 07:23:03 PM
#15
1. You've conflated ESR's highly intellectual taxonomy with the comment thread which ensued (below it) with the likes of the racist James A Donald. Conflation is a trait of those who are not highly intellectual.
Unlikely, since I haven't even read the comments.

2. You've conflated manisfestations of truth which conflict with your sense of fairness and conflate these with irrational -isms.
I have not.

For example, the statement that blacks on average have lower IQs than whites is a scientifically measured fact. Also some of James's statements about hypergamy are in fact true.
I do not (and did not) dispute this.

However, he uses these correct facts ("Damned Facts") to further his racist political control agenda because average anything is not congruent with degrees-of-freedom and if you've read any of my intellectual writings then you know I how important I think degrees-of-freedom are to fitness.
I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.

Sorry Foxpuppy.
No need to apologize; I know you're doing the best you can.
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