Topic: Data Center Mining Garage and Man Mining Cave ( PART 2 !!!!!!!!) - page 37. (Read 106695 times)

@yslyung - won't release prices until someone else does for the pico... not holding my breath

@Yun where can I buy the best risers? can't find a source.

biostar mobo ? like i mentioned in 1 of the earlier posts, best bang for buck with little to no issues. have not had 1 failed yet over 40 of them. well recently had 1 false alarm, mobo was ok just me forgotten something thinking the mobo was DOA.





latest risers ? dubbed ver 006C ?





@yun9999, it's not just a simple hp server psu, as you can see those on the pic above, they are platinums not the regular silver ones. there are differences, i'm waiting on my 1500W version to arrive sometime mid this coming week to test out with the breakout borads that i have as it fits all CS pus's.

thx for the offer on the warehousing suggestion. my stock is finished, i'll have to order them, i hope we can all work something out. again like i mentioned via PM shipping cost will most likely be the added cost, let me check on that part.

@ YSLUNG - If your prices is competitive.  I think we should push for this.   The Community have a NEED and I think you have a good solution for that need.  Once people start to be more familiar with Picos, I'm sure everyone will convert.  Right now the alternative solutions are crap so most people don't even bother.  

I was very intrique with Picos when I saw MarkAz's bad ass rig design using just 1 IBM 2.5KW PSU powered by a smaller breakout board.  The design was just super sexy, however it was very expensive at the time and there was no PCI Power risers at that time.  So his setup was much more complicated so I only dreamed about it but figure that's too heavy of an investment compare to just buying cheap baby ATX.  












Things have changed a lot since then, as we now have PCI Powered risers with USB connections not the crappy ribbon type that didn't work well before.  So if you can deliver a cost effective turn key Pico as the picture, it's a no brainer for people to use cheap GOLD and Platinum PSU vs consumer grade ATX.  

Ahah ok, well at least you got an idea for a new toy, so all isn't lost  


Those PICO modules are indeed very sexy (c) yun

Trying to source here in europe big servers PSU's to expand, hope i'll be successfull 

Now that's the PICO type we want!    Please share the prices if you're comfortable with that.  If it's a cost effective solution.  I will happily offer you free warehouse support if you want to do USA reselling.  The community want a PICO that is Designed for mining.  This will save me the hassle of persuading Hawkfish and Finksy to sell things outside of their comfort zones.  You wouldn't necessarily be competing with Finksy either as he's more concentrated on server PSU.  He didn't intend to make much profit on the Picos.  The picos will be what will help move more of his server PSUs.  Likewise it will move a ton of PCI risers for hawkfish.   I just love the PICOs and PCI powered risers which is far more superior than standard risers, so I been pushing them hard on it.

I will want 10 to 15 of them if the price is good.  I am slowly converting to Picos to improve the airflow by removing the bulky ATX and all of it's cabling mess.    

my newer version of it, better wires (18 awg) but the input from psu is too short, i might mod them longer but it's ok for my setup.



don't say i don't share or off topic !

i've bought at least 5 different versions & run tests on them, so far this is best. Rated 150W MAX 210W (OPP) built in OVP/UVP

not promoting any sales but i am in for competition which the OP encourages, i will price match & offer a LOWER PRICE !

Black 6 Pin PCIE connects directly to breakout board

White 4 Pin connects to mobo, it will power a 4/8 connector on the mobo

2 x Black SATA, well we all know what it does.

The Pico Finksy / Hawkfish will work with all the breakout boards that uses 6Pin.  You won't be needing the CPU power from the PICO.  It's a 160W Pico with custom cablings.  The 6pin splitter will have a pigtail that have the barrel connector to power the Pico and another adapter for the 8 Pin EPS CPU connection.  It will also have the 1 molex and 1 Sata because like you, I still want to have the option of Running Windows for undervolting or ROM flashing if I want. 

Finksy is sending me a unit in a couple of weeks to test.  I just lacked the patience so I tried to Jerry Rigged a solution from Ebay to play and be more familiar with it.  My plan is to replaced all the baby ATX psu with PICOs to reduce cabling and the space used up by the ATX PSU.  This will improve my air flow to allow my Exhaust fan to be much more efficient.  Not to mention it will be much easier to troubleshoot and get GPUs in and out of the rack.

I also ordered a lot of supplies for Cryptowatcher as he volunteered to design some even nicer cabling options.  Will update everyone and show the different options since many of us including myself are not very experience with Picos.  It will help save everyone headaches and frustrations.  The best part is that they will try to get it to use cheaper than if we were to go out and Jerry Rig 1 for ourself.

could be optional but it would be nice for non m2 mobos and those who want non usb based rigs.

Sata is nice of course, but I'd be fine without, simplemining on a usb.

im waiting for a decent miner oriented pico psu adapter for my sidehack server psu/breakout board too.

needs:
6 pin pcie input
4 pin cpu power cable (long)
sata power lead (long)

I ilke this mining garage. I wish I would have a small one to mine ETH or ZEC.
it's very nice. Thank you for your share.

Agreed they look to be crap, it would be nice to see someone build one designed to take a pci-e power plug and be good to go, would make using server psu awesome.

Those pico are pretty awesome and a wicked solution honestly.
I'm still searching for good pci-e risers.
lots of pico options out there but 1 month an din china is a bit much.

*******************Simple Rig Resetter (SRR) REVIEW **********************************

//DRAFTING//////

How many of us wake up to Rigs being Hung or have RIGs that is constantly requiring reboots?  I'm sure everyone does.  Not only does this cost us money but it also makes us worry about taking vacations, or be away from home.  I have over 65 rigs between myself and a friend I'm hosting for.  Embarrassed to say but it's the reality we live in, I usually wake up to at least 1 rig that is Hung or having mining issues.  That's a few bucks a day which doesn't seem like much but compound that to a few rigs x 30 days a month and you can see it can get very EXPENSIVE.  This is why SRR is so important to me.

Switched APC vs SRR

APC Switched PDUs

Pro
* You need a PDU anyways.  But it doesn't have to be a pricey APC.  ($15 Dell PDUs)
* Simple to use Web interface
* You can name the devices

Con
* Pricey at $100-150 used
* Max is 4-5 Rig support per PDU due to amperage
* Difficult to configure if you don't know.  You must buy the APC serial cable to connect via Hyperterm to set it up.  Most people don't know this or don't bother and end up using it as an overpriced Metered PDU.  I know I did in the beginning as my APCs didn't come with this cable.
* Not tied into the OS for automatic rig rebooting when a rig is hung
* DOES NOT save you money as there's no automation, you have to know a RIG needs to be rebooted and manually do so
* It's difficult and more expensive to run longer high AWG power cable then SRR signal cables
* Documentations are limited and my guess is many people will run into issues

SRR

Pro
* Very cost effective compare to APC for more than 5 rigs
* Simple to setup and use.  You can be up in less than 15 mins and most of the time required is just for plugging in Cables!
* Built in OS agents when using Simplemining.net OS
* Software to detect SRR and configure is very simple to use and Fast scanning.  
* Very SEXY and compact designed with attactive LEDs status.  
* Cables used are super high quality.
* Very well documented PDF on the how to steps
* Very simple and intuitive interface

Con
* Expensive for small setup of less than 5 Rigs
* Pricey cabling (Tytanick is working on a more cost effective cabling solutions)
* Limited to 8 port for the base unit (Expansion boards available soon)
* When you reboot the Status for the RIG still show up as Green vs RED ( Can be fix with updates)
* Single point of failure
* Can't name the ports ( Can be fix with updates)



***********The HARDWARE***********************

Lots of attention to Details!!






The unit is very Compact and the Cabling is Super High Quality!  At first I was not too happy about the pricy cabling as I thought it was normal cheapy on/off cablings but wow am I impressed.  Very happy with quality and I don't have to worry about some skinny cable snapping when I'm working on my rigs.  I was going to do a disconnect cable setup for my server cases config, but I like this so much, I think I will make the extra effort just to disconnect from the base if I need to.











The LEDs and sexy cabling makes me want to show off my SRR on the side vs hiding it in the rear







The product is super easy to setup and Tytanick's PDF for the step by step is very well done.  I finished all 8 of mine in about 15-20mins and most of that time was for running the cable as I like them organized.  





If you're using Simplemining.net OS, his agents are already built in.  You just have to choose SRR and point to it.






The scanning and management software is very easy to use, FAST and intuitive.  Just download, install and choose Scan and it will find the SRR device immediately.  I DO NOT recommend changing the IP addresses at this time.  When you do so, depending on what other services you have running, you may run into issues like I did.  There's no reset option to bring it back to factory default.  It's best to leave it as is as it scans based on other info and will auto detect, no need to memorize what port and IP addresses.





The Software is very intuitive and all the buttons speaks for itself.  The only thing that is important and this is why it's repeated many times in the PDF is to set your watchdog timer for at least 120 seconds.  This is the time out value where it would see no response from the Rig and send out a reboot / power on / off request.  You can make it longer if you want.  I tested the reboot and the RIG button was still showing as Green.  Minor issue that can be fixed via future updates but it worked as designed.  For windows rig, you have to install the SRR agents if you want the Watch dog auto restart features.




NOW I can feel more comfortable going on Vacations!!  Also this gives my Hosting partner more control / automation so they don't need to bug me as often for reboots.  I spent over $800 on 6 used APC 7911 but to date it have not saved me a dime.  Why?  Because I have to identify the issue first and then reboot it.  There is no automation.  One could argue that part of that is not wasted as you're still using it as a PDU. For me, I have my beefier Dell PDU that have more Amperage per Block so it wasn't necessarily needed.  


FAST ROI
This unit pays for itself super FAST.  I always recommend my friend to invest in Smart monitoring and automation tool as it will save you money in the long run.  Most of them tried to avoid the cost but eventually end up doing it.  So it's better to do it from the start and make your life easier.  This is based on my own example but the larger your farm and the more you OC, the more likely this relates to you.

Assuming you have 1 Rig down per day while sleeping or at work
8 hrs = $2-3 per Rig x 30 days = $60 - 90 opportunity loss.  

Now if you're on Vacation for 1 week and you have  1-2 rigs down.  That essentially pays for the entire SRR and ruin your entire vacation which cost even more.  I also know many people that use hosting facility and many times their SLAs are crap.  Those idle time waiting for someone to fix your rigs add up very fast.  I know at least 2 friends that are dying to get the SRR to their hosting site as they lost hundreds if not thousands due to idle and issues.

I get zero compensation for pushing SRR and I can't wait for the Expansion board to be available as I'll be the first person ordering.  This Product is Amazing.  You simply can't go wrong with this device.  I would even argue that it may be silly to be mining with 8 rigs or more without this.  The reason for that is there will always be HOT new coins and those new mining software will always be flakey.  If you have automation, you're up more and are able to be making much more.

@ m1n1ngP4d4w4n - The MSI is a different beast.  That link might come in handy for me though as I was looking at other FUN MB options last night since I have all these LGA 1151 CPUs and a few DDR4 RAM chip last night so I decided to get a MSI Gaming Pro Carbon used on Amazon.  

@ Cryptowatcher - I'm ordering all the supplies you need my friend, it's in my Amazon Cart ready to ship to you.  Let's make it happen.  I see endless opportunities if you can make those cables for me.


************PICO PSU*****************************************

Finksy's version will be SEXIER and more POWERFUL.  This is just to give everyone an idea of how PICOs work with the Server PSU.  In order for Finksy to get us attractive prices, he have to buy in good volumes.  This is where I urged Hawkfish to partner up with Finksy to make this happen.  It's not part of their core business so both of them don't want to be stuck with huge inventory of these things.  I said "DO IT FOR THE COMMUNITY, there WILL BE a huge demand for it once people understand the value it brings.

The goal is to get a complete turn key solution including all custom cables for around $30 while saving everyone from the headache of buying crappier / more expensive solution like I did and then hunt for specialized cables since the PICO was designed for mini PC not mining rigs.

Why a standard PICO PSU won't work for us
* The CPU cable won't reach a normal Motherboard CPU slot.  
* It requires an expensive and Bulky AC power adaptor.  Who needs another thing to plug in or waste another outlet?
* It will require a custom 6 Pin to 2.5MM barrel cable to power the Pico if you dont want to use the AC adapter and power it via server PSU
* It will require a 6 pin to 4+4 ( pin EPS CPU cable if you want to make it 100% server PSU powering or a 4 pin to 4+4 (8)Pin EPS cable if you want the PICO to power the CPU.  

What I got from Ebay

$40 for this weak 80W combo with no cables that I need.  I still had to go and find the EPS cable for $10 on Amazon and it was very difficult to get the 6 pin to 2.5MM barrel adapter cable.  I ordered 2 different version and only 1 worked.  More money wasted.  This is NOT the Pico you want.  





6 Pin PCI to 2.5MM barrel adapter to power the PICO via server PSU.  Another cable was used to power the CPU via the server 6 Pin to 8 Pin EPS.  This waste 2 valuable PCI slot from the server PSU breakout board.







WHAT WE WANT................
Who wants to search on Ebay for separate items just to wait a month from China, overpay and get wrong stuff like I did?  No one.  I had to do many trial and errors and the complete solution worked and is better than the above but still not cost effective nor SEXY as I want it.  We want 1 solution that is tested and have everything so there is no guessing game.  We at least 160W of Pico power for the same price as 80W.  We want to use 1 6pin cable that splits and power the PICO and can also power the CPU.  This will reduce the PCI slot wasted per rig.  Most importantly, we WANT IT CHEAPER!

WHY WE WANT PICOs.

* It's super Compact and sexy.  The entire PSU is just a the size of your MB plug adapter.  You hardly see the thing once it's plug into the MB slot.  I purposely left the cables outside just so you can spot the PICO!  If I hide it's tiny 4 pin CPU and SATA cable, you won't be realized a PICO PSU is plugged in.



* It's very cost effective if we can get it for $30.  You can't get a quality baby ATX PSU for under $50 raising your cost per RIG
* Less Cable clutters and space needed in the rear.  This help improve air flow and cable management



Picture Powering 4-5 x 6 GPU rigs this solution easily when paired with Finksy 4kw PSU bundle.  SO FRESH FRESH...........SO CLEAN CLEAN!



NOW HERE IS THE KEY WHY YOU SHOULD want it.  On top of being SEXY, Cost effective per RIG, you now move 98% of your Power load to the more efficient GOLD to Platinum rated Server PSU.  These things are TANKS and are designed to be run for years 24x7 vs consumer grade ATX which are not.  When you're using the old way with 4-5 Baby PSU, those are generally cheapy 80+ or less efficiency so this solution pays for itself very quickly via the efficiency.  P.M Finksy and Hawkfish and tell them.  WE WANT PICOs.............WE WANT PICOs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would really like that !! Please create a complete tutorial post !

if i got a one of that motherboard, id love to give it a try. i build and repair comps and a good challenge is always welcome lol

Ah i see, so same chipset but not working the same, thx for your input. well it seems to be a good MB but just not for mining !

no he and I exchanged  multiple emails.   the z170 biostar  was made with the   intel sixth gen in mind.

inorder to get a seventh gen cpu to work  a bios flash update is needed.

in order to do this you need a sixth gen cpu.

been there done that over the last 4 to 6 gens of mobo's  at least 4 times.

the board is a great board for a no riser build  of four cards using the g4400t cpu or the i5 6400t cpu.

No one has ever shown it to work well with 5 cards or 6 cards

That's fine mate to share your infos there then, im sure yun wouldn't mind, i for one are very interested ! Thanks !