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Quote from: os008 on February 15, 2012, 08:31:11 PM

I'm having a problem withdrawing 0.92 BTC from my account. I used 'Instant Payout', it shows in payment i did withdraw 0.92. However, when i click on the date, it gives me 'No such transaction', and i haven't received it so far. Been 2.5 hours. Is that normal?

Yes, at this moment. Blockexplorer (the monitoring site which is linked from the date field) is currently overloaded/DDoSed, so it may show "No such transaction" for existing TXes.
You may use http://blockchain.info to check the status of your transaction. I don't know your account name, so I can't tell you if the payment is already confirmed or not. Usually it takes about 20 minutes, but in worst cases delays up to a few hours are possible.

First, you need to check if your client's blockchain is up to date. It should contain at least 166979 blocks.
If everything is OK with your connectivity you just have to wait a bit more. Since the payment is present in your account report, it was already sent to the network.

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Quote from: DeepBit on February 15, 2012, 11:59:41 AM

Some blocks in our stats were incorrectly marked as "Invalid" today. It was caused by a failed cross-check routine and in fact those blocks are valid.

Quote from: finway on February 15, 2012, 09:20:35 AM

There are conscious on supporting BIP16, cause it will make bitcoin more safe.
You are acting against it, you're not making bitcoin safe.

1. No, BIP16 won't make bitcoin more safe. Multisigs can already be used for 2-factor auth and escrow, as proved by blockchaininfo. P2SH will only make it more convenient and space-efficient.
2. I'm not acting against it and I'm not acting at all. As I already said, I'm going to start working on BIP16 when more than 50% of non-deepbit blocks will be marked with /P2SH/ steadily, so only others will decide on this, not me. Implementing BIP16 now will mean that I'm acting against the majority which is not the right way.

Then, how many blocks exactly? it's 268(26%) already.

How many do you need? may be 300?

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I'm having a problem withdrawing 0.92 BTC from my account. I used 'Instant Payout', it shows in payment i did withdraw 0.92. However, when i click on the date, it gives me 'No such transaction', and i haven't received it so far. Been 2.5 hours. Is that normal?

Thanks.

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Quote from: os2sam on February 15, 2012, 03:29:20 PM

That's a possibility that may occur, but do we modify the blockchain willy nilly for every possibility that may happen?

Also who's responsibility is it keep a key logging program off of my system? Who's responsibility is it to suffer the consequences if my computing behavior allows that to happen on a system that contains a wallet? I assume you would say it is the Bitcoin communities?!?
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To answer your first question. No.

To answer your second question, you are responsible for anything that happens to your wallet.

Now, I say again, do we want Bitcoin to remain a niche product for computer experts, or do we want regular people to be able to use it and feel secure with their money? I'm all for personal responsibility, possibly to the extreme, but I feel Bitcoin has the potential to do some good in this world by taking control of money away from the few and giving it to the many, and I don't want the limit on potential growth to be that you must be a computer expert to be secure.

I want Bitcoin to be safely usable on the most virus infested machine you can find. We can worry about teaching people to practice safe computing later.

Sorry for getting so OT. I just wanted to talk to [Tycho] about the impression he gave me regarding "not acting".

I apologize for being off topic as well. But nobody seems to want to talk about this in any forum. There will always be people who write their PIN on the back of their ATM/Credit card and write their password on their monitor. That CANNOT be ameliorated.

So I ask again where is the security flaw in Bitcoin that requires these multisig's to correct?

Feel free to point me to the forum topic where this would be more appropriate to discuss.
Or you can just continue to blow it off,
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If we want Bitcoin to be a success, it has to be functionally secure

In what way is Bitcoin currently functionally insecure?
Sam

If someone gains access to your wallet, they can spend your coins.

So the encryption used in the client is faulty?
Sam

I would imagine that it's only a deterrent. A keylogger is the first thing to pop into my mind.

That's a possibility that may occur, but do we modify the blockchain willy nilly for every possibility that may happen?

Also who's responsibility is it keep a key logging program off of my system? Who's responsibility is it to suffer the consequences if my computing behavior allows that to happen on a system that contains a wallet? I assume you would say it is the Bitcoin communities?!?
Sam

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If we want Bitcoin to be a success, it has to be functionally secure

In what way is Bitcoin currently functionally insecure?
Sam

If someone gains access to your wallet, they can spend your coins.

So the encryption used in the client is faulty?
Sam

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Quote from: DeepBit on February 15, 2012, 02:27:10 PM

You don't need to rely on anyone.

Tell me how I can make a multi-sig transaction from my home computer using bitcoin-qt.

Tell me how you are going to redeem a BIP16 transaction using bitcoin-qt.
Both methods aren't ready for using, but at least plain multisigs are already supported by the network.

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I may be arguing semantics, but it's important for people to understand how much weight your vote carries.

My vote is not really different from other big pools' ones.
I think this discussion is not so productive. I'm not going to stop BIP16 from happening. When the majority decide to support it, it will be supported.

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In what way is Bitcoin currently functionally insecure?
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Quote from: DeepBit on February 15, 2012, 11:59:41 AM

1. No, BIP16 won't make bitcoin more safe.

Multi-sig transactions won't make it easier to secure your Bitcoins from theft?

Multi-sig transactions can make it easier to secure bitcoins. But this is not related to BIP16, you ALREADY can use multisigs.

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Quote from: DeepBit on February 15, 2012, 11:59:41 AM

Multisigs can already be used for 2-factor auth and escrow, as proved by blockchaininfo.

The solution to multi-sig transactions is to rely on a trusted 3rd party? (Blockchain.info is great, but it was recently down for almost a day. This is not a viable solution for businesses, etc.)

You don't need to rely on anyone.
Blockchaininfo just proved that you can already use multisigs. No 3rd party is needed.

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Don't get me wrong [Tycho], I'm not suggesting any of the BIPs need to be implemented immediately. And of course I don't have the technical understanding of the block chain that you have. But some of your answers seem to be dodging the question.

I think that my answer about when I'm going to do this was pretty clear: when BIP16 will be supported my the majority of other miners.

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What's up with all the invalid blocks? Seven so far today! That's like 350 BTC that Tycho is out of pocket Sad

Its hard to read up two posts... I tell you HARD.

lol I had started my post before DeepBit explained it, but I walked away to go to something and came back and finished it. Who knew?

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Quote from: Mousepotato on February 15, 2012, 12:34:48 PM

What's up with all the invalid blocks? Seven so far today! That's like 350 BTC that Tycho is out of pocket Sad

Its hard to read up two posts... I tell you HARD.

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What's up with all the invalid blocks? Seven so far today! That's like 350 BTC that Tycho is out of pocket Sad

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Quote from: DeepBit on February 14, 2012, 03:06:55 PM

We have experienced some outages caused by problems at the datacenter.
I'm going to change the routing in next ~15 minutes, this may help with submit delays.

Quote from: finway on February 14, 2012, 10:09:22 AM

Now it's more than 50% of 50%,
will you support BIP16?

Looks like you are so concerned about that

Please don't worry, I won't do it way too early. I care about the bitcoin system and will always try to be on the safe side.

There are conscious on supporting BIP16, cause it will make bitcoin more safe.
as you can see, slush & BTCGuild are supporting BIP16,
and more than 5 TOP10 pools are supporting BIP16,
You are acting against it, you're not making bitcoin safe.

I have yet to hear, or see rather, a valid argument for the actual need to do this. Again another example of doing something just because we can with no real forethought of the consequences.
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Some blocks in our stats were incorrectly marked as "Invalid" today. It was caused by a failed cross-check routine and in fact those blocks are valid.

Quote from: finway on February 15, 2012, 09:20:35 AM

There are conscious on supporting BIP16, cause it will make bitcoin more safe.
You are acting against it, you're not making bitcoin safe.

1. No, BIP16 won't make bitcoin more safe. Multisigs can already be used for 2-factor auth and escrow, as proved by blockchaininfo. P2SH will only make it more convenient and space-efficient.
2. I'm not acting against it and I'm not acting at all. As I already said, I'm going to start working on BIP16 when more than 50% of non-deepbit blocks will be marked with /P2SH/ steadily, so only others will decide on this, not me. Implementing BIP16 now will mean that I'm acting against the majority which is not the right way.

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Quote from: DeepBit on February 14, 2012, 03:06:55 PM

We have experienced some outages caused by problems at the datacenter.
I'm going to change the routing in next ~15 minutes, this may help with submit delays.

Quote from: finway on February 14, 2012, 10:09:22 AM

Now it's more than 50% of 50%,
will you support BIP16?

Looks like you are so concerned about that

Please don't worry, I won't do it way too early. I care about the bitcoin system and will always try to be on the safe side.

There are conscious on supporting BIP16, cause it will make bitcoin more safe.
as you can see, slush & BTCGuild are supporting BIP16,
and more than 5 TOP10 pools are supporting BIP16,
You are acting against it, you're not making bitcoin safe.

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Quote from: DeepBit on February 14, 2012, 03:06:55 PM

Quote from: finway on February 14, 2012, 10:09:22 AM

Now it's more than 50% of 50%,
will you support BIP16?

Looks like you are so concerned about that

Please don't worry, I won't do it way too early. I care about the bitcoin system and will always try to be on the safe side.

I'm not worring you will do it too early,
i am worring you won't support it anyway,
or delaying by taking advantage of "YOUR" mining power.

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I suffered from the connection problem as you.

Error 80072EE2: The operation timed out

Quote from: CA Coins on February 14, 2012, 02:18:30 PM

Anybody having connection problems? I am getting really long getwork and submit times (each 300ms+) vs. typically 200ms. Average hashrate has fallen from 4GH to around 3GH over the last 12 hours (with 3 intermittent outages having to go to backup pool).

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We have experienced some outages caused by problems at the datacenter.
I'm going to change the routing in next ~15 minutes, this may help with submit delays.

Quote from: finway on February 14, 2012, 10:09:22 AM

Now it's more than 50% of 50%,
will you support BIP16?

Looks like you are so concerned about that :)
Please don't worry, I won't do it way too early. I care about the bitcoin system and will always try to be on the safe side.

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Quote from: CA Coins on February 14, 2012, 02:18:30 PM

Anybody having connection problems? I am getting really long getwork and submit times (each 300ms+) vs. typically 200ms. Average hashrate has fallen from 4GH to around 3GH over the last 12 hours (with 3 intermittent outages having to go to backup pool).

My miners keep flickering in and out, And deepbits hashrate seems to have dropped by about 400gh/s

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Anybody having connection problems? I am getting really long getwork and submit times (each 300ms+) vs. typically 200ms. Average hashrate has fallen from 4GH to around 3GH over the last 12 hours (with 3 intermittent outages having to go to backup pool).

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