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legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 1737
"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
January 10, 2019, 05:10:32 PM
The Pharmacist is still on that new list.

My bad, edited.

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I am 100% sure it doesn't count inclusions/exclusions inbetween the DT1 members.

Probably so.
legendary
Activity: 2506
Merit: 12053
BTC + Crossfit, living life.
January 10, 2019, 05:08:54 PM
I cannot follow this DT.... have to read it very slowly

till I know I just consider every member wearing a XhomerX HAT to be trustworthy, don't think he would ever make one for a scammer etc Tongue

(but still gonna read this through and try to make something of it, thx for the effort anyway)

legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18509
January 10, 2019, 05:07:07 PM
The Pharmacist is still on that new list.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
January 10, 2019, 05:06:02 PM

If DT1 was reconstructed now with that modification:
Code:
theymos
HostFat **
dooglus
gmaxwell
OgNasty **
SebastianJu
qwk
mprep *
Cyrus
monkeynuts
ibminer *
TMAN
Lauda
TookDk *
Mitchell
vizique *
Blazed
greenplastic
Lesbian Cow *
suchmoon
achow101
owlcatz
JohnUser
minerjones *
BitcoinPenny
yahoo62278 *
zazarb **
LoyceV *
actmyname
The Pharmacist
DarkStar *_
marlboroza *
Hhampuz*
krogothmanhattan

So, the 3 in/outers are in **
9 new *
out from previous DT1: The Pharmacist.
What does that mean?
I am 100% sure it doesn't count inclusions/exclusions inbetween the DT1 members. There's no way Hostfat is going to be in; his judgement is completely backwards at best.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 1737
"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
January 10, 2019, 05:03:31 PM

If DT1 was reconstructed now with that modification:
Code:
theymos
HostFat **
dooglus
gmaxwell
OgNasty **
SebastianJu
qwk
mprep *
Cyrus
monkeynuts
ibminer *
TMAN
Lauda
TookDk *
Mitchell
vizique *
Blazed
greenplastic
Lesbian Cow *
suchmoon
achow101
owlcatz
JohnUser
minerjones *
BitcoinPenny
yahoo62278 *
zazarb **
LoyceV *
actmyname
The Pharmacist
DarkStar *_
marlboroza *
Hhampuz*
krogothmanhattan

So, the 3 in/outers would be in **
9 new *
out from previous DT1: The Pharmacist.
What does that mean?
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
January 10, 2019, 04:58:48 PM
Another thing to consider is a limit on votes per user. For example if I add 200 users to my list I would be voting for all 200. Perhaps there should be a limit of counting only 10-20 of my 200 votes.
Good suggestion.

This would prevent abusers from propping up unlimited numbers of sockpuppets. Not sure how to apply it though. Alphabetical or ID order doesn't sound right.
There has to be some way to order your list if the above is implemented.

Would be nice, and in that case might as well let each user choose how many votes they want to use, from 0 to max e.g. 10.

Perhaps something along the line of prefixing an * if you wish to vote for the user for DT1 in addition to adding them to your trust list?

Or this, allowing up to 10 users to be prefixed this way.

We can make it very complicated very quickly, no doubt about that Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18509
January 10, 2019, 04:56:47 PM
Perhaps something along the line of prefixing an * if you wish to vote for the user for DT1 in addition to adding them to your trust list?
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
January 10, 2019, 04:55:01 PM
Another thing to consider is a limit on votes per user. For example if I add 200 users to my list I would be voting for all 200. Perhaps there should be a limit of counting only 10-20 of my 200 votes.
Good suggestion.

This would prevent abusers from propping up unlimited numbers of sockpuppets. Not sure how to apply it though. Alphabetical or ID order doesn't sound right.
There has to be some way to order your list if the above is implemented.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
January 10, 2019, 04:52:06 PM
Another thing to consider is a limit on votes per user. For example if someone adds 200 users to their list they would be voting for all 200. Perhaps there should be a limit of counting only 10-20 of those 200 votes. This would prevent abusers from propping up unlimited numbers of sockpuppets. Not sure how to choose which 10-20 of 200. Alphabetical or ID order doesn't sound right.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
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January 10, 2019, 04:44:36 PM
The number of users trusted by 100+-merit users is now over 700. I think that I may modify that to requiring 2 trusters with 250 earned merit.
You might want to do this before the rebuild on monday. The previous number is likely only to get bigger as more and more people build lists.

This. Then make it 300 merits next month and keep stepping the requirement up monthly
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
January 10, 2019, 04:41:27 PM
If DT1 was reconstructed now with that modification:

That's still a huge list and only after a ~ day of everyone tinkering with their trust lists. Imagine what will happen next month.

I'm thinking that having the same trust list serve multiple purposes (trusted vs untrusted feedback, DT2 level, voting for DT1) might be a problem. E.g. there are users whose feedback I trust but not their "subordinates" so I would prefer to not vote for them but still keep them in my list. Not sure if there is an easy solution to that though. Certainly don't want to force everyone to maintain several different lists.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
January 10, 2019, 04:40:52 PM
The number of users trusted by 100+-merit users is now over 700. I think that I may modify that to requiring 2 trusters with 250 earned merit.
You might want to do this before the rebuild on monday. The previous number is likely only to get bigger as more and more people build lists.
member
Activity: 82
Merit: 26
January 10, 2019, 04:37:08 PM
Typo? (10 -> 100)

No, that's just a possibly-interesting extra stat. The 100 merit list would be too big.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18509
January 10, 2019, 04:32:47 PM
That seems like a reasonable change. Perhaps also consider upping the 10+ merit limit to 20+ or higher?

This will obviously need periodically adjusted. On a long enough time line, the number of users who will finally earn 10/100/250 merit is theoretically massive.

Number of 10-merit trusters:

Typo? (10 -> 100)
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
January 10, 2019, 04:31:05 PM
trust depth is 4

There's your issue. A trust depth of 4 means that you are trusting the ratings of probably half the forum. So someone on DT1 trusts someone who trusts someone who trusts jamalaezaz. Lower your depth to 2 and his ratings will disappear. Better yet, make a customised trust list.

... and then consider setting depth to 0 or 1. You probably don't want to go 2+ levels deep for every person you put in the list. YMMV.
administrator
Activity: 5166
Merit: 12850
January 10, 2019, 04:25:53 PM
The number of users trusted by 100+-merit users is now over 700. I think that I may modify that to requiring 2 trusters with 250 earned merit.

Number of 10-merit trusters:
Code:
+------------------+----------+
| name             | trusters |
+------------------+----------+
| DefaultTrust     |      654 |
| theymos          |       81 |
| Vod              |       54 |
| Blazed           |       47 |
| hilariousandco   |       47 |
| Lauda            |       46 |
| The Pharmacist   |       45 |
| LoyceV           |       43 |
| suchmoon         |       42 |
| Mitchell         |       40 |
| gmaxwell         |       38 |
| dooglus          |       37 |
| minerjones       |       37 |
| OgNasty          |       35 |
| SaltySpitoon     |       33 |
| philipma1957     |       32 |
| Zepher           |       30 |
| Lutpin           |       29 |
| Hhampuz          |       29 |
| krogothmanhattan |       28 |
| DarkStar_        |       27 |
| qwk              |       26 |
| actmyname        |       26 |
| Cyrus            |       25 |
| TMAN             |       25 |
| marlboroza       |       23 |
| greenplastic     |       22 |
| owlcatz          |       22 |
| BadBear          |       19 |
| monkeynuts       |       19 |
| Lesbian Cow      |       19 |
| -ck              |       18 |
| Tomatocage       |       18 |
| SebastianJu      |       17 |
| John (John K.)   |       17 |
| ibminer          |       17 |
| achow101         |       17 |
| HostFat          |       16 |
| JohnUser         |       16 |
| BitcoinPenny     |       16 |
| KWH              |       15 |
| shorena          |       15 |
| chronicsky       |       15 |
| yahoo62278       |       15 |
| CanaryInTheMine  |       14 |
| DannyHamilton    |       14 |
| hybridsole       |       14 |
| wheelz1200       |       14 |
| zazarb           |       14 |
| satoshi          |       13 |
| vizique          |       13 |
| OldScammerTag    |       12 |
| smoothie         |       11 |
| NLNico           |       11 |
| TookDk           |       11 |
| hilariousetc     |       11 |
| Maged            |       10 |
| phantastisch     |       10 |
| yxt              |       10 |
| mprep            |       10 |
| DiamondCardz     |       10 |
| squall1066       |       10 |
| Stunna           |       10 |
| hedgy73          |       10 |
| EcuaMobi         |       10 |
| polymerbit       |       10 |
| Gavin Andresen   |        9 |
| TECSHARE         |        9 |
| fluffypony       |        9 |
| EFS              |        9 |
| yogg             |        9 |
| cryptodevil      |        9 |
| ezeminer         |        9 |
| Lafu             |        9 |
| casascius        |        8 |
| malevolent       |        8 |
| Blazr            |        8 |
| PsychoticBoy     |        8 |
| monbux           |        8 |
| TheNewAnon135246 |        8 |
| tmfp             |        8 |
| Kialara          |        8 |
| nullius          |        8 |
| anonymousminer   |        8 |
| ICOEthics        |        8 |
+------------------+----------+

Number of 250-merit trusters:
Code:
+-------------------+----------+
| name              | trusters |
+-------------------+----------+
| DefaultTrust      |       63 |
| Vod               |       26 |
| hilariousandco    |       25 |
| The Pharmacist    |       24 |
| LoyceV            |       22 |
| suchmoon          |       21 |
| theymos           |       20 |
| gmaxwell          |       16 |
| Lauda             |       15 |
| actmyname         |       15 |
| DarkStar_         |       15 |
| philipma1957      |       14 |
| SaltySpitoon      |       13 |
| Mitchell          |       13 |
| Blazed            |       13 |
| Lutpin            |       12 |
| marlboroza        |       12 |
| dooglus           |       11 |
| Zepher            |       10 |
| ibminer           |        9 |
| TMAN              |        9 |
| Hhampuz           |        9 |
| krogothmanhattan  |        9 |
| OgNasty           |        8 |
| qwk               |        8 |
| KWH               |        8 |
| hilariousetc      |        8 |
| mprep             |        7 |
| Cyrus             |        7 |
| achow101          |        7 |
| owlcatz           |        7 |
| monkeynuts        |        6 |
| minerjones        |        6 |
| yahoo62278        |        6 |
| John (John K.)    |        5 |
| Anduck            |        5 |
| Tomatocage        |        5 |
| BadBear           |        5 |
| DiamondCardz      |        5 |
| shorena           |        5 |
| JohnUser          |        5 |
| tmfp              |        5 |
| Lafu              |        5 |
| ICOEthics         |        5 |
| HostFat           |        4 |
| Maged             |        4 |
| squall1066        |        4 |
| DannyHamilton     |        4 |
| Welsh             |        4 |
| NLNico            |        4 |
| yogg              |        4 |
| greenplastic      |        4 |
| cryptodevil       |        4 |
| OldScammerTag     |        4 |
| xandry            |        4 |
| LeGaulois         |        4 |
| Jet Cash          |        4 |
| Gunthar           |        4 |
| xtraelv           |        4 |
| phantastisch      |        3 |
| -ck               |        3 |
| malevolent        |        3 |
| BCB               |        3 |
| Stunna            |        3 |
| TookDk            |        3 |
| EcuaMobi          |        3 |
| Lesbian Cow       |        3 |
| wheelz1200        |        3 |
| BitcoinPenny      |        3 |
| chronicsky        |        3 |
| nullius           |        3 |
| Halab             |        3 |
| iasenko           |        3 |
| coinlocket$       |        3 |
| asche             |        3 |
| anonymousminer    |        3 |
| satoshi           |        2 |
| sirius            |        2 |
| allinvain         |        2 |
| nanotube          |        2 |
| casascius         |        2 |
| Pieter Wuille     |        2 |
| Raize             |        2 |
| Meni Rosenfeld    |        2 |
| grue              |        2 |
| bitpop            |        2 |
| BurtW             |        2 |
| tysat             |        2 |
| SebastianJu       |        2 |
| zvs               |        2 |
| Phinnaeus Gage    |        2 |
| Blazr             |        2 |
| Dabs              |        2 |
| Xian01            |        2 |
| babo              |        2 |
| BigBitz           |        2 |
| buysolar          |        2 |
| Micio             |        2 |
| vizique           |        2 |
| Ticked            |        2 |
| Timelord2067      |        2 |
| dArkjON           |        2 |
| BayAreaCoins      |        2 |
| minifrij          |        2 |
| TheNewAnon135246  |        2 |
| hybridsole        |        2 |
| arulbero          |        2 |
| AT101ET           |        2 |
| MadZ              |        2 |
| Avirunes          |        2 |
| redsn0w           |        2 |
| TripleHeXXX       |        2 |
| pazor_true        |        2 |
| Rmcdermott927     |        2 |
| bitkilo           |        2 |
| dazedfool         |        2 |
| iluvbitcoins      |        2 |
| sapta             |        2 |
| HagssFIN          |        2 |
| generalt          |        2 |
| Fakhoury          |        2 |
| zazarb            |        2 |
| ezeminer          |        2 |
| BtcCrazy1         |        2 |
| SFR10             |        2 |
| zoose             |        2 |
| rickbig41         |        2 |
| gt_addict         |        2 |
| HCP               |        2 |
| DJ1554            |        2 |
| duesoldi          |        2 |
| Kryptowerk        |        2 |
| MySeriousFaceIsOn |        2 |
| micgoossens       |        2 |
| Xal0lex           |        2 |
| o_e_l_e_o         |        2 |
| Coolcryptovator   |        2 |
+-------------------+----------+

If DT1 was reconstructed now with that modification:
Code:
theymos
HostFat
dooglus
gmaxwell
OgNasty
SebastianJu
qwk
mprep
Cyrus
monkeynuts
ibminer
TMAN
Lauda
TookDk
Mitchell
vizique
Blazed
greenplastic
Lesbian Cow
suchmoon
achow101
owlcatz
JohnUser
minerjones
BitcoinPenny
yahoo62278
zazarb
LoyceV
actmyname
The Pharmacist
DarkStar_
marlboroza
Hhampuz
krogothmanhattan
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 1330
Slava Ukraini!
January 10, 2019, 04:22:36 PM
trust depth is 4

There's your issue. A trust depth of 4 means that you are trusting the ratings of probably half the forum. So someone on DT1 trusts someone who trusts someone who trusts jamalaezaz. Lower your depth to 2 and his ratings will disappear. Better yet, make a customised trust list.
Ok, thanks for explanation, I'm going to change trust depth. With recent changes building a customised trust list is good suggestion, but for me it will be more difficult to  do that because I'm not doing trades or business here, so in most cases I can't use my personal experience to build my trust list.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18509
January 10, 2019, 04:11:15 PM
trust depth is 4

There's your issue. A trust depth of 4 means that you are trusting the ratings of probably half the forum. So someone on DT1 trusts someone who trusts someone who trusts jamalaezaz. Lower your depth to 2 and his ratings will disappear. Better yet, make a customised trust list.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 1737
"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
January 10, 2019, 04:10:47 PM
using...trust depth (is) 4

What are you, a fucking Commie?

legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 1330
Slava Ukraini!
January 10, 2019, 04:07:01 PM
Ok, new trust system looks a bit more complicated and difficult to understand. I just want to ask one question - is it jamalaezaz https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jamalaezaz-721115 now DT member?
No. Go to some random user who received trust from Jamal. Then append ";dt", e.g. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=487418;dt.

Because I see feedbacks left by him are shown as Trusted. If he is DT member now, who have him on their trust list (sorry but I don't know how to check it)
It must be something related to your list. Did you build a custom one?
No, I didn't edit, I'm just using DefaultTrust and trust depth is 4
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