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Topic: DefaultTrust changes - page 125. (Read 86349 times)
- You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent.
- You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100, not including merit you yourself sent.
- You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100, not including merit you yourself sent.
1 memeber with earned 100 merits have to include you in his trust list.
Did you say the same or I misread what you have said?
Or I misunderstood?
- You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent.
- You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100, not including merit you yourself sent.
- You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100, not including merit you yourself sent.
1 memeber with earned 100 merits have to include you in his trust list. (Excluding your sent merits to him)
Did you say the same or I misread what you have said?
Or I misunderstood?
Looks like he is also saying the same thing,but more thing he is mentioning that the selection process will be manual even if the person meets all this criteria and decision is upto the theymos to include or not.
He has changed the statements, maybe you didn't notice. -# Have at least 10 people sent you 10 merits each
-# Have at least 1 person sent you 100 merit
-# Have at least 1 person sent you 100 merit
Edit: not "sent you". They just need to have that many earned merits.
And the second condition is likely to be revised to require having 2 persons with 250 earned merits each.
- You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent.
- You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100, not including merit you yourself sent.
I guess here theymos is talking about ATL/s. In that case, how do the system determine user x sent merit to himself? - You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100, not including merit you yourself sent.
Not merits sent to myself but merits by myself to people voting for me. If I send you 250 merits those merits don't count in your eligibility to vote for me.
In other words, if I find out who's including me in their trust lists I can't increase my chances by sending merits to those users because those merits won't count.
I had a revised look on the OP and this is my understanding of Check list to be in the DT1:
-# At least member rank earned merit 10 (airdrop does not count)
-# Must be online for last three days when theymos will execute the trust setting script. Maybe once in a month
-# Trust list must include at least 10 users, ~distrust entries will not count.
-# User must not be banned/manually blacklisted.
-# At-least one post within the last 30 days. Again when theymos execute the trust setting script
-# 10 people trusting you with earned merit of at least 10 each (airdrop and merit sent by yourself does not count)
-# 2 people trusting you with earned merit of at least 250 each (airdrop and merit sent by yourself does not count)
This is how DT1 generates once theymos execute the trust setting script.
However..
-# theymos can remove a user and blacklist him. The script will exclude this user. (This will be permanent unless theymos decides to whitelist the user again)
-# More number of ~detrust than trust by DT1 removes a user from DT1 (This could be temporary. Next execution of the trust setting script may change the equation for the current ~detrusted DT1)
Am I wrong in any point?
Update:
Thanks suchmoon and S_Therapist to correct me in some points.
Now I understand the selection process a bit better if not perfectly.
-# At least member rank earned merit 10 (airdrop does not count)
-# Must be online for last three days when theymos will execute the trust setting script. Maybe once in a month
-# Trust list must include at least 10 users, ~distrust entries will not count.
-# User must not be banned/manually blacklisted.
-# At-least one post within the last 30 days. Again when theymos execute the trust setting script
-# 10 people trusting you with earned merit of at least 10 each (airdrop and merit sent by yourself does not count)
-# 2 people trusting you with earned merit of at least 250 each (airdrop and merit sent by yourself does not count)
This is how DT1 generates once theymos execute the trust setting script.
However..
-# theymos can remove a user and blacklist him. The script will exclude this user. (This will be permanent unless theymos decides to whitelist the user again)
-# More number of ~detrust than trust by DT1 removes a user from DT1 (This could be temporary. Next execution of the trust setting script may change the equation for the current ~detrusted DT1)
Am I wrong in any point?
Update:
Thanks suchmoon and S_Therapist to correct me in some points.
Now I understand the selection process a bit better if not perfectly.
By looking at this thread, it look like even the veterans have some confusion how the trust system used to work.
Thanks Suchmoon. For giving detailed reply to every question that I asked and clearing my confusion and assumptions.
Thanks Suchmoon. For giving detailed reply to every question that I asked and clearing my confusion and assumptions.
DT1 members can exclude DT2 members. That has been in place before these newest changes.
Gotcha.
That's how Lauda was kicked out BTW. 3 exclusions vs 2 inclusions I think.
DT1 members can exclude DT2 members. That has been in place before these newest changes.
Gotcha.
so technically I think it's impossible to be in DT2 while being excluded from DT1.
Why so
To be in DT2 means being in the trust list of at least one DT1 member, doesn't it?
Doesn't the ability of DT1 members to collectively exclude a member only extend to DT1?
Does my post even make sense?
DT1 members can exclude DT2 members. That has been in place since before these newest changes.
So if you are voted into DT1 and get excluded by your DT1 peers (the original question) you will also be excluded from DT2 by definition, because exclusion criteria is the same for DT1 and DT2: if more DT1 members exclude you than include you - you're out.
My way of understanding was DT2 have the power to "kick out" other DT2.
No. If a DT2 member (or even multiple DT2 members) excludes another DT2 member that doesn't kick them out of DT2.
Default trust List: Set the Trust Dept 2
Custom trust list:
Is this how it works?
Yes
Default trust Dept?
Same answer for both. Set any depth you prefer. Depth 0 with DefaultTrust means you're not including anybody, so you'll see no red/green except for ratings you send to others (perhaps you can exclude ~yourself too, not sure). Depth 1 with DefaultTrust means you're trusting only DT1 members. Etc.
so technically I think it's impossible to be in DT2 while being excluded from DT1.
^^
thats my understanding but would be good for theymos to chuck in and confirm
So my question was does the "kick out" power refer only to DT1 and not DT2?
My way of understanding was DT2 have the power to "kick out" other DT2.
But I can be completely wrong.
Doesn't the ability of DT1 members to collectively exclude a member only extend to DT1?
Collectively other DT1s can detrust a DT1 to kick him out Quote
To be in DT2 means being in the trust list of at least one DT1 member, doesn't it?
YesSee this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview
Use this to see the trust setting page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt
Take OgNasty, zazarb, HostFat as example
Doesn't the ability of DT1 members to collectively exclude a member only extend to DT1?
Collectively other DT1s can detrust a DT1 to kick him out Quote
To be in DT2 means being in the trust list of at least one DT1 member, doesn't it?
YesDoesn't the ability of DT1 members to collectively exclude a member only extend to DT1?
Collectively other DT1s can detrust a DT1 to kick him out. Read this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49143128Quote
To be in DT2 means being in the trust list of at least one DT1 member, doesn't it?
Yes so technically I think it's impossible to be in DT2 while being excluded from DT1.
Why so
To be in DT2 means being in the trust list of at least one DT1 member, doesn't it?
Doesn't the ability of DT1 members to collectively exclude a member only extend to DT1?
Does my post even make sense?
Default trust List: Set the Trust Dept 2
Custom trust list:
Is this how it works?
Yes
Default trust Dept?
so technically I think it's impossible to be in DT2 while being excluded from DT1.
^^
thats my understanding but would be good for theymos to chuck in and confirm
Yes. To be in DT2 you need more DT1 members to include you than exclude.
You're also on DT2 when include equals exclude.You're right, let me rephrase that. You can't be in DT2 if more DT1 members exclude you than include.
Which is also how one gets booted out of DT1, so technically I think it's impossible to be in DT2 while being excluded from DT1.
Default trust List: Set the Trust Dept 2
Custom trust list:
Is this how it works?
Yes
I have this realization.
Default trust List: Set the Trust Dept 2
Custom trust list: Set any Trust Dept you prefer
Is this how it works?
Default trust List: Set the Trust Dept 2
Custom trust list: Set any Trust Dept you prefer
Is this how it works?
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