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Quote from: tmfp on January 11, 2019, 12:35:14 PM

I don't know how many 250+ receivers there are, but if someone is on a mission to get onto DT I guess there will be some stalking/favor currying going on to meet this (and other) criteria.

Currently 146, the list of which you can see here: https://bpip.org/report.aspx?r=mostmerited. Some of those accounts are banned, however, and some are inactive, so the true number will be slightly lower.

If someone is on a mission to get on DT, they will be getting nowhere near my trust list, since that's the completely wrong attitude to have. But there are enough users with 250+ merit, and always more being made, that I'm sure anyone hell bent on being DT will be able to find a couple of shady users to add them on at their request. I wonder if DT1 exclusions, in addition to removing another user from DT1, should also remove that user's voting power, so serial abusers can be stopped from voting on anyone and everyone.

Zin-Zang

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Quote from: AdolfinWolf on January 11, 2019, 12:36:37 PM

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 12:33:06 PM

Everyone should add ~Lauda to their trust settings ,

That should exclude the slut, since her ratings are all biased on the following

1. She does not like you.
2. You beat her in an argument
3. Your Escrow Service is better than her escrow service
4. You point out she is a crook that steal others money.

Cool

And let me guess, all of the above apply to you?

Quote from: ?? on ??

Theymos is a coward
Vod is a child rapist
Lauda is a known extortionist and her mouth is Theymos personal cock holster
achow101 is a dumb anal dwelling censorship butt monkey.
Tman is a mere dumb ass kissing child.

Hmmm. Maybe there's something you're not telling here.

Looks to me like you printed out , what I was saying.

Now whether you are a dumb ass or not, I imagine we'll find out in your next post.

Cool

Zin-Zang

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Quote from: mdayonliner on January 11, 2019, 12:35:27 PM

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 12:33:06 PM

Everyone should add ~Lauda to their trust settings , & delete the defaulttrust

You should be doing yours first if you believe so.

Add mine to yours with a ~, would it matter?

I don't trade directly with anyone here, why would I care.

Lauda steals money from people here all of the time, and red tags on whims

But add ~Lauda & ~Zin-Zang , if you like.

AdolfinWolf

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Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 12:33:06 PM

Everyone should add ~Lauda to their trust settings ,

That should exclude the slut, since her ratings are all biased on the following

1. She does not like you.
2. You beat her in an argument
3. Your Escrow Service is better than her escrow service
4. You point out she is a crook that steal others money.

Cool

And let me guess, all of the above apply to you?

Quote from: ?? on ??

Theymos is a coward
Vod is a child rapist
Lauda is a known extortionist and her mouth is Theymos personal cock holster
achow101 is a dumb anal dwelling censorship butt monkey.
Tman is a mere dumb ass kissing child.

Hmmm. Maybe there's something you're not telling here.

mdayonliner

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Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 12:33:06 PM

Everyone should add ~Lauda to their trust settings , & delete the defaulttrust

You should be doing yours first if you believe so.

Quote from: tmfp on January 11, 2019, 12:35:14 PM

Quote from: Lauda on January 11, 2019, 12:23:37 PM

The count of people who have 250+ received merit and who have added you to their trust list is 2.

I don't know how many 250+ receivers there are, but if someone is on a mission to get onto DT I guess there will be some stalking/favor currying going on to meet this (and other) criteria.
They'll be the bouncers at the DT club.

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Nah sorry, you're not on my list

It can be prevented if we let the community to decide. Please read here. Would appreciate a feedback

tmfp

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Quote from: Lauda on January 11, 2019, 12:23:37 PM

The count of people who have 250+ received merit and who have added you to their trust list is 2.

I don't know how many 250+ receivers there are, but if someone is on a mission to get onto DT I guess there will be some stalking/favor currying going on to meet this (and other) criteria.
They'll be the bouncers at the DT club.

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Nah sorry, you're not on my list

Zin-Zang

member

Activity: 364

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Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack

Everyone should add ~Lauda to their trust settings , & delete the defaulttrust (it is bullshit anyway)

That should exclude the slut, since her ratings are all biased on the following

1. She does not like you.
2. You beat her in an argument
3. Your Escrow Service is better than her escrow service
4. You point out she is a crook that steal others money.

Cool

mdayonliner

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on January 11, 2019, 12:12:20 PM

Yawns!
Complaints and petitions loading...

We await the numerous threads that will grace this forum nextweek starting. Some near reclusive DT members will get busy once more. Good to have a change in the almost draconian DT setting.

It already has started. Did you just woke up? Tongue

Just look around the meta and reputation board LOL

Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 11, 2019, 12:22:28 PM

So theymos, how they hanging?

Quote from: theymos on January 10, 2019, 03:25:53 PM

The number of users trusted by 100+-merit users is now over 700. I think that I may modify that to requiring 2 trusters with 250 earned merit.

Number of 250-merit trusters:

Code:

+-------------------+----------+
| name | trusters |
+-------------------+----------+

| Timelord2067 | 2 |
+-------------------+----------+

I've only every received 88 merits (the first 1000 are auto for being Legendary), so I'm a little unsure how I am on the 250 merit list, unless it's not 100 merits that a person needs to get from one person, but the person *sending* the merits has received 250 merits.

Your answers
-# You have to be At least member rank earned merit 10 (airdrop does not count)
-# 10 people is trusting you with earned merit of at least 10 each (airdrop and merit sent by yourself does not count)
-# 2 people is trusting you with earned merit of at least 250 each (airdrop and merit sent by yourself does not count)

That 2 is the last one.

Lauda

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Terminated.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 11, 2019, 12:22:28 PM

So theymos, how they hanging?

Quote from: theymos on January 10, 2019, 03:25:53 PM

The number of users trusted by 100+-merit users is now over 700. I think that I may modify that to requiring 2 trusters with 250 earned merit.

Number of 250-merit trusters:

Code:

+-------------------+----------+
| name | trusters |
+-------------------+----------+

| Timelord2067 | 2 |
+-------------------+----------+

I've only every received 88 merits (the first 1000 are auto for being Legendary), so I'm a little unsure how I am on the 250 merit list, unless it's not 100 merits that a person needs to get from one person, but the person *sending* the merits has received 250 merits.

The count of people who have 250+ received merit and who have added you to their trust list is 2.

Timelord2067

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So theymos, how they hanging?

Quote from: theymos on January 10, 2019, 03:25:53 PM

The number of users trusted by 100+-merit users is now over 700. I think that I may modify that to requiring 2 trusters with 250 earned merit.

Number of 250-merit trusters:

Code:

+-------------------+----------+
| name | trusters |
+-------------------+----------+

| Timelord2067 | 2 |
+-------------------+----------+

I've only every received 88 merits (the first 1000 are auto for being Legendary), so I'm a little unsure how I am on the 250 merit list, unless it's not 100 merits that a person needs to get from one person, but the person *sending* the merits has received 250 merits.

mdayonliner

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Quote from: suchmoon on January 11, 2019, 12:03:55 PM

Quote from: mdayonliner on January 11, 2019, 11:48:15 AM

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-# Trust list must include at least 10 users, ~distrust entries will not count.

Users can manipulate it. It's just 10 users.
How about, sort the members (ascending order) with total number of trust entries by users who have earned 10 merit each. Have their ~detrust entries too. Now we will find that someone is trusted by 100 users and someone is trusted by only 11 users. Trusted by 100 user stay but trusted by 11 user may eliminates if we already find our top 100 DT1. Before it was easy for trusted by 11 users to stay in the DT1 list by convincing only 10 members they know who have 10 merits.

I think that condition is there mostly to make sure that if you get into DT1 you're bringing at least 10 DT2 members. There is not much "abuse" prevention needed here.

Thank you. I messed it up but now it should be ok. Please check

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but on the other hand that might make it more static, i.e. people with the highest numbers of inclusions etc could get entrenched in DT1.

It does not make it static in fact it give the power to the members. If community think x is not ok to be in the DT1 list then they start ~detrusting him. Hi lose the top 100 or whatever the number theymos will decide in the next execution of the script. It actually make the list more dynamic and force the DT1s to be more responsible

Mpamaegbu

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Once a man, twice a child!

Yawns!
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We await the numerous threads that will grace this forum nextweek starting. Some near reclusive DT members will get busy once more. Good to have a change in the almost draconian DT setting.

suchmoon

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Quote from: mdayonliner on January 11, 2019, 11:48:15 AM

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-# Trust list must include at least 10 users, ~distrust entries will not count.

Users can manipulate it. It's just 10 users.
How about, sort the members (ascending order) with total number of trust entries by users who have earned 10 merit each. Have their ~detrust entries too. Now we will find that someone is trusted by 100 users and someone is trusted by only 11 users. Trusted by 100 user stay but trusted by 11 user may eliminates if we already find our top 100 DT1. Before it was easy for trusted by 11 users to stay in the DT1 list by convincing only 10 members they know who have 10 merits.

I think that condition is there mostly to make sure that if you get into DT1 you're bringing at least 10 DT2 members. There is not much "abuse" prevention needed here.

Quote from: mdayonliner on January 11, 2019, 11:48:15 AM

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-# 10 people trusting you with earned merit of at least 10 each (airdrop and merit sent by yourself does not count)

Again sort the members (ascending order) with total number of trust entries who have earned at least 10 merit each. It does the same job to eliminate the manipulation. Top 100 get the place for DT1.

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-# 2 people trusting you with earned merit of at least 250 each (airdrop and merit sent by yourself does not count)

Do the same sorting.

Finally execute the algorithm. I think tweaking these three perimeters will make the entire DT1 list more dynamic if that is the goal.

theymos mentioned that he may pick a 100 randomly if the final list is > 100. That's about as dynamic as it gets. I would prefer the criteria to be gradually tightened to not exceed 100, similar to what you're suggesting, but on the other hand that might make it more static, i.e. people with the highest numbers of inclusions etc could get entrenched in DT1.

mdayonliner

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Quote from: Little Mouse on January 11, 2019, 12:00:24 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 11, 2019, 11:22:42 AM

And whats up with that (0). I don't have any empty lines as someone suggested.

It was actmyname or marlboroza. Can't remember correctly but instantly checked but nothing happen. It's either a bug or something new theymos gonna introduce.

~~It was actmyname who spotted it before~~
It was Lauda

Little Mouse

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Quote from: suchmoon on January 11, 2019, 11:22:42 AM

And whats up with that (0). I don't have any empty lines as someone suggested.

It was actmyname or marlboroza. Can't remember correctly but instantly checked but nothing happen. It's either a bug or something new theymos gonna introduce.

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Quote from: jackg on January 11, 2019, 10:46:51 AM

The categories theymos is referring to are "earnt merit" and "airdropped merit".
Earnt merit is merits you're sent, airdropped is what you were given at the start.

E.g I've earnt >150 merits and was airdropped 1000

Theymos is considering only earn merits if my understanding is correct.

Quote from: suchmoon on January 11, 2019, 10:27:58 AM

Quote from: mdayonliner on January 11, 2019, 10:16:09 AM

How about now? Please check

Seems correct.

Fantastic. Thank you

Now that I understand the selection process (reference) I have few recommendations. I believe theymos is trying to make the DT1 list dynamic or at least this is the plan.

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-# At least member rank earned merit 10 (airdrop does not count)
-# Must be online for last three days when theymos will execute the trust setting script. Maybe once in a month
-# User must not be banned/manually blacklisted.
-# At-least one post within the last 30 days. Again when theymos execute the trust setting script

Not much to dynamic the parameters however I wonder what motivates theymos to pick 30 and 3 for posting and active online? I am just interested to know the inspiration behind picking those numbers. Cheesy

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-# Trust list must include at least 10 users, ~distrust entries will not count.

This one stays as it is since it is the members pick who is trying to get into the DT1 list.

Anyway, I guess theymos can play with the following parameters to make the DT1 list more dynamic and automated. But before that I guess he needs to have a goal of how many members he wants to have in DT1 list. i.e: 100 eligible users each time as you mentioned in the OP

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-# 10 people trusting you with earned merit of at least 10 each (airdrop and merit sent by yourself does not count)

Users can manipulate it. It's just 10 users.
Sort the members (ascending order) with total number of trust entries who have earned at least 10 merit each. It eliminates the manipulation. Top 100 get the place for DT1. Before it was easy to have only 10 people but someone who have total 100 people trusted could be excluded easily.

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-# 2 people trusting you with earned merit of at least 250 each (airdrop and merit sent by yourself does not count)

Do the same sorting.

Finally execute the algorithm. I think tweaking these ~~three~~ two perimeters will make the entire DT1 list more dynamic if that is the goal.

PS: Thanks to suchmoon again to correct me in one point.

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Quote from: mOgliE on January 11, 2019, 11:28:56 AM

Which means that I, for example, couldn't be on DT list until I have 1000 earned merit right? As I don't have enough earned merit compared to my rank right now.

No. You could be on DT. The only merit requirement for you is to have earned at least 10:

Quote from: theymos on January 09, 2019, 01:03:26 PM

- If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.

The other merit requirements are for the users adding you to their trust lists (essentially voting for you to be on DT). You need 10 members with more than 10 merit trusting you, and 2 members with more than 250 merit.

mOgliE

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Quote from: jackg on January 11, 2019, 10:46:51 AM

The categories theymos is referring to are "earnt merit" and "airdropped merit".
Earnt merit is merits you're sent, airdropped is what you were given at the start.

E.g I've earnt >150 merits and was airdropped 1000

Which means that I, for example, couldn't be on DT list until I have 1000 earned merit right? As I don't have enough earned merit compared to my rank right now.

suchmoon

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theymos, could we have profile links in the trust tree? Would help a lot with reviewing inclusions and other miscreants:

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Edited 2020-11-30 to fix a broken image

And whats up with that (0). I don't have any empty lines as someone suggested.

jackg

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Quote from: mdayonliner on January 11, 2019, 10:16:09 AM

Quote from: S_Therapist on January 11, 2019, 10:07:02 AM

Or I misunderstood?

You did not. I was wrong. Thank you.

Quote from: suchmoon on January 11, 2019, 10:03:08 AM

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How about now? Please check

The categories theymos is referring to are "earnt merit" and "airdropped merit".
Earnt merit is merits you're sent, airdropped is what you were given at the start.

E.g I've earnt >150 merits and was airdropped 1000

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