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No!  Please!, tell me you didn't!  You reported me?  Oh shit.  This is terrible.  Why did you do that?!  What is wrong with you? 

Listen - let me say it just one last time: you are not an intellectual.  You are a moron.  You don't know what you are talking about.  Bitcoin has way too many dumb people.  You are fucking up the whole thing.  Just shut up and try to learn something.  Stop talking.  This will help bitcoin more than anything.  We have to get the dumb people to leave the community.  Then, maybe the price of bitcoin will go up.  As long as you are here - probably gonna stay below $300. 

Ok you are reported. You do not belong to this thread, you are just insulting and making fun of an intellectual debate here, bye.

Regarding your argument: No, the value wont go through the roof as we have to wait a 500 year untill the inert sheep masses find out about it. Why not accelerate that and do it in 5 years.

Marketing just accelerates growth. Natural growth of bitcoin in a demonized hostile enviroment is ultra slow.

Completely wrong.  If Bitcoin provides an operational advantage, the value will go through the roof.  Those 'steps' you describe are just plain stupid.  You are probably stupid as well. 

There, you have your argument first and insult later.  Better for you?

INSULT FIRST ARGUMENTS LATER EH?

Is that the new debating style on the forum? Bitcoin suposed to be full of open minded people, but seems like sometimes closed minded people like you are here too.

Of course it needs help, without those steps being fulfilled bitcoin will remain forever at the 200-300$ price range.

Do you think bitcoin has any chance of competing without highlighting it's features? It will just magically adopt itself or what?

People need to adopt it, and so far less than 1% of people use it, we have to convince the other 99% to join.

Clearly you are a bitcoin MORON, not a bitcoin intellectual.  

If you build a better mousetrap, people will beat a path to it.  Bitcoin doesn't need marketing.  Public Opinion means nothing.  The minute bitcoin has an advantage for use, it doesn't matter how bad its reputation, people will use it anyway.  

You are a million miles from 'intellectual' status.  Keep trying.

Well if their parents are skeptics they wont allow them to use bitcoin...

Anyway isnt it just more effective if we teach the young adults 20-30, and then when they have children, they will teach their kids to use bitcoin.

It is not into mainstream because still many people are not aware about what bitcoins is all about, how it is helpful, how it can be used and what are the future benefits and that is the reason people hesitate in investing in bitcoins and the price volatility is the other factor and that is the reason people find it too risky to invest as they have fear to loose their money.

Don't mind them too much.  You really can't change a person's mind about something unless he/she is open to new ideas.

My suggestion in helping Bitcoin's growth...  Start them young.  Someone ought to build a Bitcoin start up for kids.  There could be a lot of growth in that demographic. 

Bitcoin is like a flower, yes it grows organicly, but it is growing in a toxic enviroment, where people constantly stomp on it.

How do you think that flower will grow if people always stomp on it?

Reference:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/14/bitcoin-is-revealed-a-ponzi-scheme-for-redistributing-wealth-from-one-libertarian-to-another/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/08/bitcoin-isnt-the-future-of-money-its-either-a-ponzi-scheme-or-a-pyramid-scheme/
http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bitcoin-a-libertarian-ponzi-scheme/2013/11/25/


So you see, if the MSM demonizes bitcoin always, it won't grow. So it's natural growth is sabotaged.


We need to counteract the sabotage, or our flower wont become nice and blossoming

We have 2 new news:

A medical usage of the blockchain technology (possibly bitcoin too)
http://www.coindesk.com/medvault-wins-e5000-at-deloitte-sponsored-blockchain-hackathon/

And a capital market news:
http://www.coindesk.com/report-blockchain-could-disrupt-capital-markets-within-decade/



Now I`m not sure about the medical possibility. There is already FOLDING COIN that helps medical research. But i`m more looking for home doctors to accept bitcoin for their diagnosises.

Or perhaps when you go to a pharmacy or some X-ray lab, they could to the services for bitcoin. It would be really easy, as usually doctors are very corrupt and always need more money than they charge. I know this personally.

So with bitcoin, you pay them there, instantly, and then you can prove and see how much they charge. Total transparency for public figures is one goal.

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Then you have the capital market news, now that's nothing unusual: NXT, Counterparty, Mastercoin, etc have already alternatives to capital markets, and they could replace them sooner than expected.

Who wants to go through thousands of paperwork to just take a mini -investment. It's not worth for 20-50$ investment. We need a more deregulated system for that, otherwise the fees would be higher than your capital.

How are you going to make poor people rich? Definitely not by charging them 25-50$ regulation fees.

Let the poor people invest too , jerks!

Does this news fit in my 3) point?

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-payroll-startup-bitwage-orange-telecom/

It looks as if every day we see some improvements in my 9 points, and every new news fits in one of the 9 categories.

Well look this was not my main idea (to have your fiat income converted into bitcoin and then delivered to you), but it still fits my idea.

It's just a passive implementation of point 3). What I would really like to see is bitcoin earning methods, that are non employee oriented, but more entrepreneur oriented.


Like in the form of self-employment, self-entrepreneur, making money online, etc. You get the idea.


Yea about 80-90% of people now are employees rather than employers, however in my vision of free market, I would like to see 90% entrepreneurs, 10% employees, and the rest of the labour done by robots.

That would be the ideal capitalist system.

Advertising a specific service is only an indirect advertisement of bitcoin, because I`m sure most bitcoin startups deal with cash too, unless they are explicitly only bitcoin and altcoins (ex: Shapeshift.io and others)

Now this can work if you can get a "magic app" like those guys said, that bitcoin lacks a magic app to get people to join.

If not then a direct advertising method could be done. As simple as advertising bitcoin.org on multimedia, nothing complicated.

Or doing some youtube podcasts and other shows about bitcoin, that might have a better social effect.


I noticed many new crypto shows on youtube, so this could work. But i still thing a direct campaign is also necessary, including with education material, not just raw marketing.

to: RealBitcoin.
about PR
give me examples of what message you want to advertise..
give me 2 sentences

about advertising
what are you advertising. is it a straight forward, easy, legal, and safe way for people to purchase bitcoin..
after all there is no point advertising pizza if the customer asks how can they pay, and the pizza shop says we dont accept bank notes or credit cards. only wire transfers to x,y,z who ask for your life story.

so im all for expanding bitcoins usefulness. i have helped many projects,,many businesses and many individuals.. but lets see your idea's in action and i can point yo in the right direction and tell you if your trying to broadcast the right message to the right demograph of the population.

Exactly my opinion. I think it will take quite some time to break into the mainstream unfortunately as sadly most people don't really have any real use for btc over their fiat and see it as a risky venture. I think it will gain traction in certain industries like gambling and remittances first and hopefully it becomes the first worldwide currency at some point. That would be awesome.

I said that, at point 3).

I said that faucets and sig campaigns are only for start, but if people want to do real business, they have to work more and more serously.

But I am not against sig campaigns although moderators of the forum should make them stricter.

I also got many of my posts deleted so I`m not sure where the balance is, but sig campaign is still ok, should not be against it.

monetising comments does not work..

just look at the crap content people who do sig-campaigns write,

as for the work at home stuff..
90% of work at home stuff are the MLM pyramid scams. where people only really make money but taking a recruitment fee from others being promised would make money,
its not a proper job and hopefully bitcoin stays well clear of MLM's.

however, people having access to wholesale priced goods and drop shippers would allow people from home to set up webshops that sell actual products.

bitcoin is missing this as the supply chain.. there are no good suppliers who accept bitcoin so selling something for bitcoin is tough, making the list of possible products sold for bitcoin limited.. and then having to convert the bitcoin to FIAT to buy new stock is a bit of a headache sometimes.
most of the time it requires business bank accounts and declaring tax(sales/VAT), which is something work from home businesses cant really deal with in the first year, as they are only making pocketmoney incomes.

however if there were more product suppliers accepting bitcoin then it would make selling products for bitcoin much more easy, and then people being paid a wage in bitcoin would find less need to buy household stuff with fiat, and thus need to convert less bitcoin. and same for the retailer.

at the moment bitcoins struggle is its usefulness for real life stuff..
forget gimmicks like comment incentives.. thing more, weekly grocery shopping..

if we can make it easy to feed and clothe people using bitcoin and so that anyone can start up their own web store selling products locally without conversion hassles.. then bitcoin can move closer to mainstreaming

Alright looks like somebody has been applying my wisdom of point 7)

http://insidebitcoins.com/news/datt-combines-social-media-with-bitcoin-powered-incentives/35619

Good job. I have 9 but I should make 10 points, and these will be the 10 commandments bitcoiners should follow if they want bitcoin to be "delivered"


Alright the free market is doing it's job well, but we need to do it faster

Ok so I updated the list, and added point 2) of a PR team.

Yes PR is really needed now, it's the 2nd most important after marketing. Because so many scammers and bad news destroy the bitcoin's reputation.

We need to fight against this and counteract it with positive PR: charities, festivals, conferences, etc..

Ok so I get chills on my spine when I saw news like this:

http://www.coindesk.com/diebold-blockchain-bitcoin-atm-attempts-flawed/

Yes people dont use Bitcoin ATM's, what a shame. Why? Let me tell you: BECAUSE THERE IS NO MAINSTREAM DEMAND FOR BITCOIN CURRENTLY.


Why is there no demand: BECAUSE THERE IS NO ORGANIZED PR, MARKETING & EDUCATION TEAM FOR BITCOIN.


I get the idea that bitcoin is community oriented, but c`mon guys, the community needs to do something about it. So let's do something guys!!!!


So much wasted opportunity, so much wasted time, stop wasting it guys and start doing something for bitcoin!