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That's not a source that says Bitcointalk is the biggest influence there is on Bitcoin.
Well you can still look at the correlation of bitcoin price and new forum users, i have thread about that:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/delete-1249771
No I don't admit bitcoin is a ponzi scheme, it isn't. What a ridiculous argument, trying to put words in my mouth. I said that getting a marketing team to promote a cryptocurrency not your personal investment would make it look like a scam (ponzi scheme, pyramid scheme, etc). It's very easy to make an uneducated person think Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme, even though it isn't. And I don't think we need a PR scheme for simply promoting it like the people who use Bitcoin already do.
Ok sorry I didnt mean to put words in your mouth, but your argument surely sounded like how I described it.
However there are some inconsistencies here look:
If Joe promotes Bitcoin to Bill, in whatever fashion. Then you got +1 member if Bill joins. So that is 1->1 promotion.
If you scale it to 100->100, 100 random people promote it to 100 other random people, you got the same.
Now if you have 1 marketing team promoting it to 1,000,000 people, how is that not the same as the 1-1 promotion, it's just only scaled to a higher level.
So you accept that 1->1 ,you accept 100->100, but you don't accept 1->1,000,000 , therefore your logic is inconsistent.
Get Ron Paul or Rand Paul to start talking more about it in the media. Lots of people listen to Ron Paul's views of the economy. He would be a valued celeb to advocate it...
I`m not sure if the audience is correct .Many libertarians are silver and gold bugs, they rarely care about bitcoin and they stand strongly by their precious metals.
I was thinking more about popstars or celebrities that are "trendy", and can have a massive impact on younger people. Bitcoin needs to be advertised as something easy to use and trendy, otherwise people won't like it.
Now this might make bitcoin look less important, so we need to find a balance there, but I just believe this is a good way to start. Now you might disagree and its ok.
Bitcoin has already won. It is the best form of money humanity as ever seen. Such improvement in money only happens ever thousands of years. The idiots that claim because it's digital, it will replaced by something better, are missing the point. TCP/IP protocol was good enough, and the Bitcoin protocol is good enough. It's all about good enough + possibility to scale. BTC will scale, just like TCP/IP did (I still remeber all the idiots saying TCP/IP would never scale globally).
The problem is that people cannot understand the concept of bitcoins and think it is a scam since the founder's identity is not known and they can't file charges to anyone if anything goes wrong.
I think we should teach/promote facts about bitcoins to people instead of marketing it as in investment.
I think we should teach/promote facts about bitcoins to people instead of marketing it as in investment.
This is one way of taking it mainstream. The other is to not explain it at all, and have the coders and programmers do all the work, deliver products, that's how you get it going.
Take this for example, I do not know how the TCP/IP protocol works but the internet is already a part of my life. I don't care how it works, I just want the products built from it/ I can use it with, like Facebook, etc.
Get Ron Paul or Rand Paul to start talking more about it in the media. Lots of people listen to Ron Paul's views of the economy. He would be a valued celeb to advocate it...
These are not the best tools. That's like saying if you have a problem with Judaism you should kill the entire race because it's the best option aaaaaaaand just like that you're Hitler. Granted, it's an extreme example, but your point is kind of silly.
Thats a very fucked up response,I wont even respond to this.
I will keep reporting him until he gets banned, its annoying that because he is a hero member he thinks he can do anything he wants, and get away with it. Moderators really have a big discriminatory policy here against ranks.
Actually, the moderators don't care at all about ranks. What they really care about are stupid people polluting up their forum. You better be careful, you are one centimeter from getting banned yourself. 
You have no source for this.
Really then what about the last hacks and DDOS-es of the forum. The price went down immediately after.
That's not a source that says Bitcointalk is the biggest influence there is on Bitcoin.
And then what? We "market" Bitcoin and make it look like a Ponzi scheme? Do you know how dodgy it will look if suddenly this PR team starts pumping Bitcoin out of nowhere?
So you basically admit that advertising is useless and it has never helped anything?
Do you really think that a competent marketing team cannot promote bitcoin it a normal way?
Whats with all these ponzi scheme arguments. You youself degrade bitcoin by this, because you also admit that bitcoin is a ponzi scheme by saying this.
We market bitcoin as a new form of currency, and tell the truth only. There is nothing shady in telling the truth. It doesnt have to be misleading in any way.
No I don't admit bitcoin is a ponzi scheme, it isn't. What a ridiculous argument, trying to put words in my mouth. I said that getting a marketing team to promote a cryptocurrency not your personal investment would make it look like a scam (ponzi scheme, pyramid scheme, etc). It's very easy to make an uneducated person think Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme, even though it isn't. And I don't think we need a PR scheme for simply promoting it like the people who use Bitcoin already do.
These are not the best tools. That's like saying if you have a problem with Judaism you should kill the entire race because it's the best option aaaaaaaand just like that you're Hitler. Granted, it's an extreme example, but your point is kind of silly.
Thats a very fucked up response,I wont even respond to this.
Okay.
You have no source for this.
Really then what about the last hacks and DDOS-es of the forum. The price went down immediately after.
And then what? We "market" Bitcoin and make it look like a Ponzi scheme? Do you know how dodgy it will look if suddenly this PR team starts pumping Bitcoin out of nowhere?
So you basically admit that advertising is useless and it has never helped anything?
Do you really think that a competent marketing team cannot promote bitcoin it a normal way?
Whats with all these ponzi scheme arguments. You youself degrade bitcoin by this, because you also admit that bitcoin is a ponzi scheme by saying this.
We market bitcoin as a new form of currency, and tell the truth only. There is nothing shady in telling the truth. It doesnt have to be misleading in any way.
These are not the best tools. That's like saying if you have a problem with Judaism you should kill the entire race because it's the best option aaaaaaaand just like that you're Hitler. Granted, it's an extreme example, but your point is kind of silly.
Thats a very fucked up response,I wont even respond to this.
Ok but BCT is currently the biggest influence there is, this might change in the future if other forums take over, but currently this is the stance.
You have no source for this.
Again you dont understand my words, I dont say that marketing is crucial, I`m only saying that it can accelerate bitcoin's growth, so why not use it?
And then what? We "market" Bitcoin and make it look like a Ponzi scheme? Do you know how dodgy it will look if suddenly this PR team starts pumping Bitcoin out of nowhere?
Do you prefer using campfire or oven? Washing board or washing machine?
Why not use the best tools available to help bitcoin? Why waste time and energy?
Why not use the best tools available to help bitcoin? Why waste time and energy?
These are not the best tools. That's like saying if you have a problem with Judaism you should kill the entire race because it's the best option aaaaaaaand just like that you're Hitler. Granted, it's an extreme example, but your point is kind of silly.
I assure you that Bitcointalk is not all there is to the Bitcoin community, although it is a large part of it. I see plenty of people pop up on chatboxes on Bitcoin-related websites who have never even heard of Bitcointalk who have found the site through other sources. There are plenty of other forums as well. We don't particularly need to start trying to hire a PR team, Bitcoin becomes more and more legitimate each day on its own.
Ok but BCT is currently the biggest influence there is, this might change in the future if other forums take over, but currently this is the stance.
Again you dont understand my words, I dont say that marketing is crucial, I`m only saying that it can accelerate bitcoin's growth, so why not use it?
Do you prefer using campfire or oven? Washing board or washing machine? Leafs or toilet paper?
Why not use the best tools available to help bitcoin? Why waste time and energy?
In all fairness, anything more than that is a joke. If you just want Bitcoin to become mainstream and then lose the ideals behind it, then go ahead. But who is going to pay for it? Again, it'd be something like the Bitcoin Foundation, and a lot of people in the Bitcoin community do not agree with them.
Hahaha that picture is not exactly the best marketing material
Well look my opinion is that bitcoin has to have some sort of organization, not necessarly a leadership as I see many people dont like that, but some basic organization.
For example like this forum. Without this forum there would be hardly any use to bitcoin.
So the scenario of headless chicken running around and screaming bitcoin to the world is not the best promotion either. So I think a PR team therefor is highly recommended.
I assure you that Bitcointalk is not all there is to the Bitcoin community, although it is a large part of it. I see plenty of people pop up on chatboxes on Bitcoin-related websites who have never even heard of Bitcointalk who have found the site through other sources. There are plenty of other forums as well. We don't particularly need to start trying to hire a PR team, Bitcoin becomes more and more legitimate each day on its own.
In all fairness, anything more than that is a joke. If you just want Bitcoin to become mainstream and then lose the ideals behind it, then go ahead. But who is going to pay for it? Again, it'd be something like the Bitcoin Foundation, and a lot of people in the Bitcoin community do not agree with them.
Hahaha that picture is not exactly the best marketing material
Well look my opinion is that bitcoin has to have some sort of organization, not necessarly a leadership as I see many people dont like that, but some basic organization.
For example like this forum. Without this forum there would be hardly any use to bitcoin.
So the scenario of headless chicken running around and screaming bitcoin to the world is not the best promotion either. So I think a PR team therefor is highly recommended.
I'm sorry, I find the point that you've added here quite ludicrous. Bitcoin is simply a decentralized currency, there shouldn't be a PR team trying to pump it. I think organisations like the Bitcoin Foundation are grossly out of their depth, indeed, they've screwed us over quite a lot like I said earlier in the thread mentioning how a board member stated they were at one point "essentially bankrupt" due to frivolous spending. The point of Bitcoin is not to hire a damn PR team. If Bitcoin becomes truly successful then we have succeeded, we do not need a PR team so we can get Bitcoin "mainstream" to increase the price for all these greedy speculators.
It can become succesful without it too, I`m not saying that these are critical requirements.
However why not speedup the process? Why wait 30 years to become mainstream when we can do it in 5 years?
We know that advertising and marketing works, why not use this tool to speedup bitcoin's progress?
In all fairness, anything more than that is a joke. If you just want Bitcoin to become mainstream and then lose the ideals behind it, then go ahead. But who is going to pay for it? Again, it'd be something like the Bitcoin Foundation, and a lot of people in the Bitcoin community do not agree with them.
I'm sorry, I find the point that you've added here quite ludicrous. Bitcoin is simply a decentralized currency, there shouldn't be a PR team trying to pump it. I think organisations like the Bitcoin Foundation are grossly out of their depth, indeed, they've screwed us over quite a lot like I said earlier in the thread mentioning how a board member stated they were at one point "essentially bankrupt" due to frivolous spending. The point of Bitcoin is not to hire a damn PR team. If Bitcoin becomes truly successful then we have succeeded, we do not need a PR team so we can get Bitcoin "mainstream" to increase the price for all these greedy speculators.
It can become succesful without it too, I`m not saying that these are critical requirements.
However why not speedup the process? Why wait 30 years to become mainstream when we can do it in 5 years?
We know that advertising and marketing works, why not use this tool to speedup bitcoin's progress?
2﴿ PUBLIC OPINION: Lack of a PR team to improve bitcoin's public opinion
Public relation's is important to manage negative publicity and cast positive light to bitcoin in front of the eyes of the mainstream. Bitcoin has a lot of negative publicity: scammers, thieves, and other criminals putting a bad reputation to bitcoin, and the media spins this and demonizes bitcoin further.
We need a positive PR team who organizes festivals, campaigns, conferences, or any other types of events that can boost Bitcoin's public opinion, and explain to the public that bitcoin is good.
Some sort of charity organization or fundraisers could really boost bitcoin's PO and show the mainstream that bitcoin can be used for Good too!
We really need this because many people just disregard bitcoin by default, because they heard that bitcoin is used by criminals (yes a small fraction), but what about the honest people that use bitcoin, we need to find positive things in bitcoin and put them forward for the public to see the bitcoin is a wonderful thing after all.
Public relation's is important to manage negative publicity and cast positive light to bitcoin in front of the eyes of the mainstream. Bitcoin has a lot of negative publicity: scammers, thieves, and other criminals putting a bad reputation to bitcoin, and the media spins this and demonizes bitcoin further.
We need a positive PR team who organizes festivals, campaigns, conferences, or any other types of events that can boost Bitcoin's public opinion, and explain to the public that bitcoin is good.
Some sort of charity organization or fundraisers could really boost bitcoin's PO and show the mainstream that bitcoin can be used for Good too!
We really need this because many people just disregard bitcoin by default, because they heard that bitcoin is used by criminals (yes a small fraction), but what about the honest people that use bitcoin, we need to find positive things in bitcoin and put them forward for the public to see the bitcoin is a wonderful thing after all.
I'm sorry, I find the point that you've added here quite ludicrous. Bitcoin is simply a decentralized currency, there shouldn't be a PR team trying to pump it. I think organisations like the Bitcoin Foundation are grossly out of their depth, indeed, they've screwed us over quite a lot like I said earlier in the thread mentioning how a board member stated they were at one point "essentially bankrupt" due to frivolous spending. The point of Bitcoin is not to hire a damn PR team. If Bitcoin becomes truly successful then we have succeeded, we do not need a PR team so we can get Bitcoin "mainstream" to increase the price for all these greedy speculators.
constructive post, my friend.
People who go full bitcoin most likely have a stable income in bitcoin and they just use the prepaid card workaround for everyday expenses. But that doesn't really promote bitcoin as much as merchants using it as a payment option
Also I don't think that we have that many users and merchants. One porn site had 5% of its purchases made in bitcoin. Don't really recall the news article that I read, but if we could get 5% of the worldwide adoption, then the project would be mass success(not saying it isn't already). 5% would mean quite a lot of adoption. My guess is that it's just a matter of time and educating other people about bitcoin.
I will keep reporting him until he gets banned, its annoying that because he is a hero member he thinks he can do anything he wants, and get away with it. Moderators really have a big discriminatory policy here against ranks.
But other than that, dont feed the troll and ignore him, he probably has an IQ of 50 or he is drunk or something.
I think the porn industry can be a start, because it can attract more adult people who have memberships in many sites. It will not be the ultimate tool but it can be a valuable magnet to bitcoin. But we have to find ways to attract real women too like i explained in point 10)
The problem is that people cannot understand the concept of bitcoins and think it is a scam since the founder's identity is not known and they can't file charges to anyone if anything goes wrong.
I think we should teach/promote facts about bitcoins to people instead of marketing it as in investment.
I think we should teach/promote facts about bitcoins to people instead of marketing it as in investment.
File charges? So if you fall down the stairs you sue the stairs or yourself?
Bitcoin is not a human entity, it's part of nature, mostly financial nature, and it's a separate entity from all of us. So it's not like scammers or thieves are doing what their doing because of bitcoin. There were plenty of those before bitcoin, and if bitcoin would have no existed there would be many scammers too.
So I dont see any link between bitcoin and scamming, these are independent things.
Ok let's get back to topic, enough time wasted already with trolls.
Look another interesting article:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/115642/how-to-find-sponsors-that-will-pay-you-to-travel-using-only-bitcoin
We definitely need more articles like this, or a central repository (something obviously better than bitcoin wiki, as its not that service oriented), that can contains thousands of tutorrials and guides like this to use bitcoin in real life.
Few of use have the determination to go full bitcoin, because few merchants use it, but if we can link the supply & demand togeter we form a big enough market for this to just work.
There are millions of bitcoin users waiting for merchants, and there are millions of merchants waiting for (any) users. We need to link them together, and the link is bitcoin.
Pure, unadulterated idiocy. Moron.Look another interesting article:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/115642/how-to-find-sponsors-that-will-pay-you-to-travel-using-only-bitcoin
We definitely need more articles like this, or a central repository (something obviously better than bitcoin wiki, as its not that service oriented), that can contains thousands of tutorrials and guides like this to use bitcoin in real life.
Few of use have the determination to go full bitcoin, because few merchants use it, but if we can link the supply & demand togeter we form a big enough market for this to just work.
There are millions of bitcoin users waiting for merchants, and there are millions of merchants waiting for (any) users. We need to link them together, and the link is bitcoin.
People who go full bitcoin most likely have a stable income in bitcoin and they just use the prepaid card workaround for everyday expenses. But that doesn't really promote bitcoin as much as merchants using it as a payment option
Also I don't think that we have that many users and merchants. One porn site had 5% of its purchases made in bitcoin. Don't really recall the news article that I read, but if we could get 5% of the worldwide adoption, then the project would be mass success(not saying it isn't already). 5% would mean quite a lot of adoption. My guess is that it's just a matter of time and educating other people about bitcoin.
The problem is that people cannot understand the concept of bitcoins and think it is a scam since the founder's identity is not known and they can't file charges to anyone if anything goes wrong.
I think we should teach/promote facts about bitcoins to people instead of marketing it as in investment.
I think we should teach/promote facts about bitcoins to people instead of marketing it as in investment.
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