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Russia takes over us probably
I really don't know where to come down on this issue - Russia has a bad track record of expansionism and authoritarianism, and invading other countries is probably a bad thing, but on the other hand there is huge support in Crimea for joining Russia (it was only redefined as part of Ukraine when they were both part of the USSR) and the anti-Russian coup in Ukraine was definitely also illegal (making no moral judgements).
I also really don't think it's any of the US's business, especially given their track record of illegal invasions.
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Are you having a laugh? Putin would break Barry like a dry twig.
I also really don't think it's any of the US's business, especially given their track record of illegal invasions.
Also:
Instead of putting 2 Countries at each others throat why not Putin and Obama go at it 1 Vs. 1
Are you having a laugh? Putin would break Barry like a dry twig.
I really don't know where to come down on this issue - Russia has a bad track record of expansionism and authoritarianism, and invading other countries is probably a bad thing, but on the other hand there is huge support in Crimea for joining Russia (it was only redefined as part of Ukraine when they were both part of the USSR) and the anti-Russian coup in Ukraine was definitely also illegal (making no moral judgements).
I also really don't think it's any of the US's business, especially given their track record of illegal invasions.
Also:
Are you having a laugh? Putin would break Barry like a dry twig.
I also really don't think it's any of the US's business, especially given their track record of illegal invasions.
Also:
Instead of putting 2 Countries at each others throat why not Putin and Obama go at it 1 Vs. 1
Are you having a laugh? Putin would break Barry like a dry twig.
Is there any way we could get Putin to do that very thing without a real war?
My $.02.
This is true, that's why I have compared Ukraine and Yugoslavia - economical problems, 20 years of stagnation, powerty, emerging nationalism...
Steeply declining population, emergence of criminal gangs...
Happy people don't care about race politics or whatever , nor are they ready to start killing peoples.
This is true, that's why I have compared Ukraine and Yugoslavia - economical problems, 20 years of stagnation, powerty, emerging nationalism...
Oh boy, I would start planing to move in case of worst possibility and this guys gets to real power in the next years - strange times, you never know and don't expect people to vote or do right things, there is to much emotions and manipulations are very easy.
ps: This Right Sector reminds me of Serbian and Croatian national parties which emerged right before collapse of Yugoslavia. Needless to say it ended badly for both nations.
In YU right wings of parties started to form own armies (this is already what happened in Ukraine with Right Sector - don't know about other nations in Ukraine, but http://www.aydinlikdaily.com/M%C4%B0T-and-CIA-Stir-Up-Ukraine-on-EU%E2%80%99s-Behalf-1555 ). Gun is powerful tool to make people that don't agree to comply and what worries me the most is level of hate that become normal and acceptable thing. Since citizens don't have guns, they will seek protection in the wrong places.
pss: Needless to say it ended badly for both nations in YU and Bosnia as collateral. Lets just say cutting of the head of your neighbour and friend, rape his wife and daughter and then burn his house was common thing. This is just a reminder what ethnic violence can do.
That is not valid for every country.
Let's look at Belgium and Netherlands , I don't think that (if we dig up all the history) there is even a small town where the ancestors of one family haven't killed or raped or whatever the ancestors of some neighbor living close by.
Yet people aren't seeking an eye for an eye revenge.
But here in the Balkans things are turning this way because people are trying to find a scapegoat for poverty and many others , and the ones different from you are usually the ones to be blamed.
If the situation in Romania will become worse , you'll see even this country divided into 3 or 4 parts , a thing that is considered almost impossible right now.
Happy people don't care about race politics or whatever , nor are they ready to start killing peoples.
Oh boy, I would start planing to move in case of worst possibility and this guys gets to real power in the next years - strange times, you never know and don't expect people to vote or do right things, there is to much emotions and manipulations are very easy.
ps: This Right Sector reminds me of Serbian and Croatian national parties which emerged right before collapse of Yugoslavia. Needless to say it ended badly for both nations.
In YU right wings of parties started to form own armies (this is already what happened in Ukraine with Right Sector - don't know about other nations in Ukraine, but http://www.aydinlikdaily.com/M%C4%B0T-and-CIA-Stir-Up-Ukraine-on-EU%E2%80%99s-Behalf-1555 ). Gun is powerful tool to make people that don't agree to comply and what worries me the most is level of hate that become normal and acceptable thing. Since citizens don't have guns, they will seek protection in the wrong places.
pss: Needless to say it ended badly for both nations in YU and Bosnia as collateral. Lets just say cutting of the head of your neighbour and friend, rape his wife and daughter and then burn his house was common thing. This is just a reminder what ethnic violence can do.
You are always free to learn the subject... Just open the textbooks and issue will be resolved.
No need for the history books , I'm living in one of the countries that the Soviet Union tried to protect from the diabolical capitalism.
So you're telling me that Kazakhstan and Tajikistan
No, but history tells you this. These republics had a representation of their interests in the federal government, that's how they got money for their local budgets. 
There were many deputies and ministers with KSSR, TSSR, GSSR, [...] origins. Maybe this representative wasn't enough, but it's a subject of another discussion. By the way, Kazakhstan SSR was the only republic which didn't supported the separatism in the early 90s. They still can't forgive us for Belavezha Accords.
the freedom loving Russians to invade Czechoslovakia 
).
I suppose that you need to read something about the Warsaw Pact. So let's blame Albania, Poland or Bulgaria too, yep? ).
freedom loving
"Freedom", "democracy", "protection of interests" is just another face of fascism. There are no "freedom loving nations" in the world yet, any opposite statement it's just a management tool. But there are freedom loving individuals, maybe.Let's cut the bs , common?
You are always free to learn the subject... Just open the textbooks and issue will be resolved. Russia is doing similar thing as America. Even though officially world is no longer at cold war, somehow there are still different dictators being supported by different bigger countries. Egypt by USA, Syria by Russia, North Korea by China. Nuclear weapon saves us from any bigger war since everyone knows it would be our lest one. Current atomic weapons are much more powerful then those used on Japan
I'm not worried about anyone using the big ones.
My concern lies with some asshole using smaller tactical nukes to deal with a localised military action.
That is the sort of thing which could lead to setting off the big ones.
My $.02.
Well , I live at a safe distance from the area of conflict. 1000km to Sevastopol 900 to kiev =))).
But i'm not that scared of a tactical nuke or even a full nuclear warhead.
Both sides and even the men manning those are so scared of nuclear weapons and what they can start by firing them that even if this turns in a full scale war we won't see any nuclear missiles launched.
Russia is doing similar thing as America. Even though officially world is no longer at cold war, somehow there are still different dictators being supported by different bigger countries. Egypt by USA, Syria by Russia, North Korea by China. Nuclear weapon saves us from any bigger war since everyone knows it would be our lest one. Current atomic weapons are much more powerful then those used on Japan
I'm not worried about anyone using the big ones.
My concern lies with some asshole using smaller tactical nukes to deal with a localised military action.
That is the sort of thing which could lead to setting off the big ones.
My $.02.
Can I laugh at that? =))) Even If you say no , I will still laugh.
Of course, but like we say in Russia, "Laughing for no reason makes you a fool".So basically , the brits aren't to blame for africa, america , india , australia , new zealand , it was the British Empire , not the United Kingdom that slaughter millions of natives.
No, they are, because the British Empire wasn't a federation. Africa, America, India, New Zealand [, ...] were ruled directly by the british government.USSR was a federation of republics, and RSFSR had no absolute power here. Actually the most of famous USSR leaders came from another republics.
Vladimir Lenin - Russian SFSR
Joseph Stalin - Georgian SSR;
Nikita Khrushchev - Ukrainian SSR;
Leonid Brezhnev - Ukrainian SSR;
Yuri Andropov - Russian SFSR;
Mikhail Gorbachev - Russian SFSR.
So you're telling me that Kazakhstan and Tajikistan forced the freedom loving Russians to invade Czechoslovakia
).Let's cut the bs , common?
Besides , the same can be said about the Brits , there were Scots , and Irish and even indians deployed in the african campaigns.
Can I laugh at that? =))) Even If you say no , I will still laugh.
Of course, but like we say in Russia, "Laughing for no reason makes you a fool".So basically , the brits aren't to blame for africa, america , india , australia , new zealand , it was the British Empire , not the United Kingdom that slaughter millions of natives.
No, they are, because the British Empire wasn't a federation. Africa, America, India, New Zealand [, ...] were ruled directly by the british government.USSR was a federation of republics, and RSFSR had no absolute power here. Actually the most of famous USSR leaders came from another republics.
Vladimir Lenin - Russian SFSR;
Joseph Stalin - Georgian SSR;
Nikita Khrushchev - Ukrainian SSR;
Leonid Brezhnev - Ukrainian SSR;
Yuri Andropov - Russian SFSR;
Mikhail Gorbachev - Russian SFSR.
First, let me say that I feel for the people of Ukraine. They are in a very tough spot.
I'm not clear just what people are expecting from the USA.
I'm not sure the USA should become involved in this matter.
At any rate, that person in the White House has the USA bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan such that there are few military resources available.
When the USA takes unilataeral action, it catches Hell on the World stage and when it doesn't it catches Hell.
The US economy cannot stand much more of policing the world so I think the USA is going to have to sit this one out.
My $.02.
I'm not clear just what people are expecting from the USA.
I'm not sure the USA should become involved in this matter.
At any rate, that person in the White House has the USA bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan such that there are few military resources available.
When the USA takes unilataeral action, it catches Hell on the World stage and when it doesn't it catches Hell.
The US economy cannot stand much more of policing the world so I think the USA is going to have to sit this one out.
My $.02.
Why would Russia choose now of all times to annex Crimea, when they could've done that in '91 with no controversy?
In 1991, Yelstin was the Russian president. Yeltsin was more loyal to the US, than he was to Russia.
Russia is doing similar thing as America. Even though officially world is no longer at cold war, somehow there are still different dictators being supported by different bigger countries. Egypt by USA, Syria by Russia, North Korea by China. Nuclear weapon saves us from any bigger war since everyone knows it would be our lest one. Current atomic weapons are much more powerful then those used on Japan
Are You thinking, that Russian Federation will bomb Kiev, as NATO bomb Belgrade or Baghdad and Tripoli?
Yeah , the Russians were angels , 56 Hungary , 68 Czechoslovakia , 74 Eritrea , 77 Somalia , 79 Afghanistan , 92 Ossetia , 92 Tajikistan , 93 Georgia , 99 Dagestan
Soviet Union consisted of Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan. Not only Russia.
Also check your knowledge about 99 and 92-93:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_invasion_of_Dagestan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Civil_War
Can I laugh at that? =))) Even If you say no , I will still laugh.
So basically , the brits aren't to blame for africa, america , india , australia , new zealand , it was the British Empire , not the United Kingdom that slaughter millions of natives.
What's next? Western leaders whine about Putin, Putin ignores them, Crimea becomes independent. Despite all the controversy over the events in Ukraine, they're quite possibly the most tame out of recent events. So far no one has died in the "invasion".
I don't see any possibility of war, especially since a lot of Ukraine's military leaders are defecting or at the very least refusing to follow the new government. Besides if Russia wanted Ukraine that bad they would've invaded long ago... It's not like they've had their military there for hundreds of years...
I really doubt Crimea will become independent. With the current events, it's more likely they become a part of Russia. I don't see any possibility of war, especially since a lot of Ukraine's military leaders are defecting or at the very least refusing to follow the new government. Besides if Russia wanted Ukraine that bad they would've invaded long ago... It's not like they've had their military there for hundreds of years...
Why would Russia choose now of all times to annex Crimea, when they could've done that in '91 with no controversy? An independent Crimea is most beneficial to Russia, as it will support the Kremlin, while satisfying the international community as it is not forced into the control of either the Russian Federation or the rebels in Kiev.
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