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Thank you for pointing out what is happening here. NEMGUN is beyond butthurt and is pushing / using his connections / business dealings with Lauda and Crytodevil to attack us. I was under the impression Lauda and Cryptodevil where legitimate and genuine in relation to presenting questions about this project. Now I understand that NO answer will satisfy them.

Cryptodevil's post on the signature campaign thread threatened (in red text) to rate everyone in the campaign with negative trust. That's basically bullying and because of that it was deleted:

We don't use sock puppets though, we've had several support staff and other employees over the years who are no longer working at Enjin. You can see some of their previous videos on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/user/EnjinSupport/videos

Matt, Todd, and Kris made a number of these videos over the years, and used their first names on Youtube and Enjin. There is no need for sock puppets. I'm really trying hard to understand your reasoning here. I can't believe you are accusing us of being scammers.

Alright you are lying too now. LOL The first thread wasn't censored, so all of NEMGUN posts are still there, your thread is not censored either, so all NEMGUN posts are still there.
The new thread is moderated and only a couple of posts were moderated, so not sure where you get heavily moderated from. You are just trying to find an excuse to give yourself reason to speak.

By everyone I mean the community, I could say the same to you, you are a shill for NEMGUN because of your previous business relation (where you made quite a bit of money).

The only thing that has been proved here is not that Enjin is a scam but that:

NEMGUN contacted you because he is butthurt to open a thread: and that is true and you confirmed it.
NEMGUN contacted Cryptodevil to bash the project, call it investigate, and because 2 repetitive posts were deleted he created a scam thread, plays well for NEMGUN on his mission to bash Enjin.
NEMGUN has been trolling Enjin since their first thread, and that's a fact and proof is on the relative threads as well as here.

So to finish up, NEMGUN and his personal issues with the team is the reason why all this happened.

SO FAR NO ONE HAS PROVED THE PROJECT IS A SCAM.

You guys are abusing your reputation to deliberately libel against a project, outside of bitcointalk that is punishable by law.

The community surely can see this.

You are the one who brought focus on me, the minute that you've made fake and defamatory accusations in your post.

No, he is not.

By everyone you mean the team of accused people and their shills?

Cryptodevil has no agenda, and never had one (AFAIK) in any case that he busted open.

Disagreed. Both of the people accusing Enjincoin were strongly censored (not sure about other people, but it wouldn't surprise me). Heck, he was even censored from the signature campaign thread (I think).

Alright, finally we can talk about something interesting:

The Platform API is there to provide small bits of semi-centralized functionality that enhance but don't override or diminish the decentralized nature of Enjin Coin -- those advantages of the blockchain that everyone here is familiar with.

We come from a background of developing an online social network platform used by large numbers of people. We understand that for blockchain technology to really go mainstream, it needs to be extremely easy to use. The Platform API allows wallets to translate information between a centralized game and blockchain tokens. We can put the cryptographic hashes into the background and develop a user interface that meaningfully interacts with the video game. The users will be presented with a brilliantly simple and familiar experience, customized to the games they play. Since the popular games are centralized, they provide some of their human-readable data and notifications from a centralized source, but it doesn't affect the decentralized nature of Enjin Coin and all assets created with it.


On your second point: The Platform API can be implemented in the game server daemon, it does not necessarily need to be a separate API. We are going to provide some reference APIs that can be adapted in either way. The powerful thing here is that you can choose to implement an API for your network of game servers, or serve it directly from 1 lone game server. Enjin will be hosting our own Platform API to cover our website network, but other gaming services & developers can serve and customize it however they like.

Some cool features of the Platform API:

• The "player" identity data format is very customizable, game developers can implement it in creative ways suited to their game. We've tried to anticipate many forms of strange game player types; ranging from single player/character names, to hive-mind AIs with collections of wallets and complex attributes and no singular identity ().
• Games and platforms that share character data types may come to a consensus on the official player data format, and allow players to sync their data across platforms.
• It will expose some useful blockchain data as JSON to be fed into websites (for example, showing your "guild bank account" in a web widget).
• Create true decentralized subscriptions, and notify the end-user (wallet) about the subscription terms to be accepted. These will then be enforced over time directly between the user wallet and smart contracts.

Finally, the games themselves will use our Enjin Coin SDK which can connect to Ethereum directly, but again the Platform API is used for certain operations like sending out push notifications. Like I said above, this can be hosted on the game server itself or in a central location used by related game servers (for example, like the Blizzard API or Mojang Minecraft API is structured).

@NewProject, i will be off topic for a moment, i would like to welcome you in bitcointalk, i like to greet the new members even if you are not that new.

Yes i have different things to do like bringing technologies to the cryptocurrencies.

From your point of view i am trolling, and i understand it, it may be due to your lack of experience.

As you said, everything can stop, the cryptos can fail at the moment we let cryptos run for hypes only, using them as a mean to get money from people. Regarding the statements of Enjin, they are based in Singapor which means they are less bothered by laws and regulations which is not the case of their users. You should know that organisms like the SEC in USA wants to protect the investors, even my project was almost confronted.

Do you know also that today, the SEC is regulating the Ethereum blockchain because of the excessive amount of ICOs on that blockchain, i hope that you understand that every member of the community have to protect it, cryptos born, rise, and die because of the community.

Knowing this crowdsale wants to take advantage of the ethereum hype, shown on my preceeding posts, i prefer that cryptodevil does investigations, and reports scam projects like what he did regarding BTC-E, it is an exchange who owns KYC from many users in the community, it ended like a scam, a centralized company who was one of the oldest exchanges.

The grand question is, does bitcoin, Ethereum, or Litecoin already scamed someone ? It is mathematically impossible to find a scam accusation towards these blockchains, while the ERC20 tokens are constantly accused of such behaviour as they are operated by unexperimented people. Regarding this point, blockchains a monetary development, while Enjin takes advantage of a montary speculation which is totally different.
If you notice in the screen, i said to Witek "After that you will talk with your CEO and tell him that ...." have a closer look at the message, i permited myself to talk like that, to give orders, and they even wanted to come and meet my team as they knew that their original idea was a scam, and was about taking advantage of a hype like i said in the same message.

Lauda and Cryptodevil replies to everyone, this is why they are trusted, these are the essence of decentralization because they act for decentralization and the welfare of everyone.
As you lack knowledge in development, decentralization and after that in affairs, business, ask questions, no need to give judgements, you will learn a lot more.

One of the founders of this forum was satoshi nakamoto, made it for developers. Investing is your sole right, warning is my sole right.

Also, i wanted to specify that bitcointalk is shaded from their website since the begining.


Which is a censorship continuity while they launch a signature campaign and invest funds there.

@NewProject,
I have nothing to do with gaming, i haven't looked for them nor tried to engage contact with them, NVO isn't related.

I have been contacted to give advises on Enjin, the first question i asked was about ERC20, was it for the hype of ethereum ? or because they had an ethereum community.

I always reply to anyone interested in cryptocurrencies, i love cryptos, bitcoin, and i use to be consulted. when ever i feel a scam attitude or project, i always warn not to go on that path.

I didn't wanted to post the discussions, but as Enjin did, let me follow :





- On these messages you can see that i said to Witek that originally they made a project for money, while with that idea, it was going to be an excellent project. He wanted to meet me in Algeria and i told him that it wouldn't be easy because of Visa requirements, he then said that he will meet ton.
we don't know what happened meanwhile, Ton waited for them, we were even worried about Witek thinking that something may hapened to him. No more contacts after that.

After that, i saw them using the ideas we spoke about, with an ERC20 token while game developers doesn't need them to do it, a game developer will directly integrate with ethereum instead, releasing his own token without been bound to any platform.

I don't feel ofended or anything like that, as a member of bitcointalk i wanted to protect my community and warn her about that.

You can check my old posts, i use to help a lot of people on the development threads, i always acted like that with everyone.

Again, i will always help any project providing something beneficial to the crypto community.


Let me give you some details, some games gives you the ability to host your private servers. The actual architecture described in the whitepaper shows that you will need to integrate into their platform in order to run the contracts, you will need their public API platform as you won't need to use WEB3 extension. Which means the project is centralized, and this is why i say this project in his actual state cannot go really far.

Knowing the state of the gaming industry, 2 million gamers are nothing in a gaming platform, it is like for the exchange, originally people though they were decentralized while they used decentralized coins. It would have been more intelligent to create a blockchain with an API talking to a daemon instead of using an API who will communicate with a platform, who will then communicate with a daemon, which means that it is not decentralized. They used the ideas i spoke about, and used it with an ERC20 token, and i don't appreciate that.

And when you doubts about a project, you contact people like cryptodevil, one of the users who are helping to keep bitcointalk clean. Just check his signature, please take the time to understand bitcointalk before accusing anyone of been biased.

You are not the focus here, and what you say only supports NEMGUN and Cryptodevil's cause. NEMGUN doesn't have any right to advise the team if they don't want to. And he is trolling them.
Cryptodevil is also being unreasonable, everyone can see that.

The team just posted some videos with audio from Lilia, they are 7 years old. That is pretty much a good proof to me. But I'm sure Cryptodevil won't be satisfied yet. Because he has an agenda.

As per censoring, I hate that too. I don't support that. But looking at what happened in Enjin's case they have all the rights to keep their own thread on topic. They only setup a moderated thread after NEMGUN attacked them with nonsense in their previous thread. And even in the new one you created only NEMGUN is trolling. What does that tell you?

To me it shows that NEMGUN has personal issues with the team which are of no interest to the community or to anyone who could potentially invest in Enjin.

Even Cryptodevil posted repeatedly on their official thread, not backing off or acknowledging the replies given which were fair and extensive and repeating himself. They didn't delete all his posts if you look closely, only a couple that were repeats. Cryptodevil instead says they have done mass censorship, which is not true. Who is lying here?

However censorship is not good, the team realized, mentioned it, took corrective action on their own thread, and came on here explaining the same things they explained several times before.
They are not hiding they are being open. Even the quality of the answers and the proof they have shown so far is sufficient to prove a person exist.

Here are some (old) videos recorded by Lilia discussing the Enjin CMS 6 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqUa8Zfpmv8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG9o3FXH6s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acdP4aUxNbM

These are just screen-recordings but it'll be pretty apparent when we do a video that it's her voice

That is nothing new. If you are responding/getting involved in any case where you've had a single interaction with one of the parties, you are likely to be biased. However, if you are strongly against bias, self-aware and strive towards objectiveness, you can avoid it in most cases.

I have not helped create anything. If you are talking about the unmoderated thread, it's just a c/p of the original thread.

That is well known, publicly documented, and irrelevant.

The criticism and issues raised by either nemgun or cryptodevil are not trivial. They are warranted and need be answered. The strong censorship by the Enjin team, who is new to this platform, has not scored any bonus points for them.

Ok that's all the community needs to know: .
You have not been involved in harassing Enjin, however you neg rep them and helped create a thread, you claim you did it because you would have done it anyway for anyone else asking or acquaintance.
The community needs to know there was a previous relation between you and NEMGUN/NVO. That's all.

What the community also needs to know is that this originated from NEMGUN because he is butthurt with the team, can't confirm Cryptodevil is involved that way but looking at his unreasonable request of Proof of People Existance (POPE)   when nobody else has any doubts is very telling on what the reason behind his trolling may be.

There isn't a single valid negative trust feedback on me. You have no idea what you are talking about. All those are from butthurt idiots that got busted (similar to possibly the Enjin team; will see).

Which is what I would have done for pretty much any acquaintance given that what their asking was warranted to a certain extent. The only reason for which I haven't negged the Enjincoin team right away is exactly because I had/have a relationship with the accuser. Put differently, I knew there was bias that couldn't be avoided even with self-awareness, thus I did not do anything (other than open a thread, but that's trivial). You are trying to smear my name for doing the right thing, applause shill.

I said what I had to say, I did my research, everything is on the forum and your trust feedback.
There is proof you had previous business relation with NEMGUN, and he asked you to setup a thread.

Sounds like a non-apology apology.

Lauda is probably involved in the majority of the cases in this section in the past year. Lauda gets involved in pretty much anything that is warranted/interesting and sent to it via PM.¹

Are you trying to publicly claim that Cryptodevil and/or I were paid? Do you have any proof for this accusation?

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The rest of your post is basically just ad hominem (mostly with fake or irrelevant information) against 3 individuals. Let's take a look at your back-yard then. All your posts are useless spam, up until the one where you strongly endorse Enjin which leads me to speculate whether:
1) You're a paid shill.
2) You're involved in this yourself.  
Then again, you seem to "know a lot", thus you are either a senior forum member or definitely closely involved with Enjin.

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[1] - I am not compromised, it just sounded better to use third-person in this context.

I'm sorry to say Cryptodevil, you are being unreasonable, and from what I have seen from your previous accusations about Enjin (which the team extensively replied to) you are, for some reasons, being weirdly stubborn about it. Why don't you tell us your name and surname and show us your own online personal profiles with your own real picture? Do that show us who you are first, give us the good example.
I know you may say, I'm not asking people for 12 millions am I? How do we know? Nobody knows who you are, you may have other accounts on here (most probably) and you may be involved in another project trying to raise millions. Show us your linkedin, I'm very curious and I won't take scam accusations from someone who doesn't at least show who they really are. LOL

I don't think you have the right to force people who don't want to have public profiles (for privacy reasons or for whatever other reasons). And personally I looked into Enjin and seems to have more than it takes to raise funds, more than many other projects who have nothing to back their claims. For fuck sake they have been around for 9 years and one of the top companies in their business. Just that makes them a non scam 100%.

This is clearly an unreasonable attempt to discredit the project (pushed by someone with an agenda) and by that I mean someone (competitor) is pushing Cryptodevil to keep asking for stupid proofs someone actually exist.
You are only making yourself look silly Cryptodevil, as far as a scam buster you claim you are... This time you failed to prove the project is a scam. How much are you getting paid for this? Tell us the truth.
I mean everyone can see you are being unreasonable, no one needs to see anyone's online profiles, this is the silliest claim I have heard and shows there is more than what Cryptodevil claims to be. The one being obtuse is you, not the Enjin team.

Unfortunately it's hard for you to step back and say: ok guys, you answered my queries, because you made so much noise so far and cannot just accept the fact there is nothing wrong with the Enjin team. It will make you look silly wouldn't it? Have you ever retracted scam accusations in the past? That will be very telling.

How do we know because of your forum history (and previous claims of scam busting) you are not sponsored by competitor projects? Or even NEMGUN who seems to spend his life trying to advise Enjin.
You even threatened to neg rate every participant of the Enjin signature campaign, ruining people's accounts and their chance to join any other signature campaign, without any proof the project is a scam.
Now that is pretty bad coming from someone who claims to do things for the benefit of the community. You would actually ruin community members reputation even without confirmed proof of scam from Enjin's side.


As per NEMGUN, dude the team doesn't need your advise, you got to accept the fact that you have been rude to them and your suggestions to try and get them on NVO (yes your own project that raised millions) or other crap blockchains that nobody uses for tokens were very poor. Why does the team have to reinvent the wheel with their own blockchain or even choose anything else than Ethereum which is become almost the standard for creating tokens. Enjin made the right choice in my opinion and what I see coming from you is a whole load of biased nonsense. You made your point several times, you ruined their first, original, uncensored thread with your comments, they had to setup a moderated one so they could try and keep the conversation about Enjin, not about what NEMGUN thinks Enjin should do.

Again you are not doing any good to your own project (NVO) by posting nonsense as you do and attacking other projects. Hopefully the team will realize soon because you definitely are giving NVO bad advertisement.
I also wonder if the NVO team is aware one of their team members is hassling a project who refused to join their platform. Should we go and start making some noise on their NVO thread? See what their community thinks?
A project that is struggling to get any partnerships, a project that couldn’t even setup their own blockchain but used the SAFE network, which nobody uses. I see where you are coming from, having a project like Enjin onboard makes perfect sense. I bet the community sees it too. You come across as butthurt in this situation.


Finally, why did Lauda get involved?
Lauda did the escrow for the NVO token sale (with the financial benefits that entails, he must have made a smashing at 0.2% fee).
Also NVO did a signature campaign with ACE for a month, Lauda is the manager of the ACE group. (Another financial relation).
NEMGUN asked him for a favour (seen there was a previous business/financial relation) to setup a new (Uncensored) thread.
But why ask Lauda? I believe you didn't even realize that he is not a moderator of this forum any longer. But you may have been of the impression he was and that the new thread would have had a greater effect if he had opened it. Why didn't you open the uncensored thread yourself? Well, you wanted it to make an impact... Because by yourself you got no chance of convincing anyone.

I read your comments NEMGUN, they make no business sense. What you need to do now is step back realize that Enjin won't take any advise from you. You do sound silly and butthurt to the rest of us.
The community also doesn't give a sausage about what you have to recommend. (…you are fucking with the Algerian government…) LOL I stop at that and let the community make their own mind up on what type of character you are.

TO SUM IT UP:

Cryptodevil: he can't find anything which makes this project a scam so he is hanging on needing to see proof Lilia Pritchard and others are real people. If they send a video will that satisfy you?
NEMGUN: butthurt because the team blocked him and didn't want to get involved with him nor NVO nor any of his bad suggestions.
Lauda: close relationship with NEMGUN so he got involved because he was asked, or paid. He is a very controversial character, just look at his trust ratings.



The 3 above all have negative trust ratings, read them up to make your own judgement to see who is preaching.

You guys also neg rated all of the Enjin team members, the 3 of you, that sounds like a very coordinated operation. Who are the scammers here?

WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN NEXT:

• Enjin sends a satisfying proof that Lilia and others are real. I personally think it's not needed but hey they won't stop hassling, that's the only thing they got against this project and it's silly.
• If all good this thread title gets changed to something more in tone with the issues at hand and locked unless anyone has anymore doubts.
• Neg ratings get removed after everyone is happy proofs are sufficient.
• Cryptodevil finds another project to hassle that is actually a scam.
• NEMGUN goes back to be an NVO team member and stops giving ill advice to projects that don't want his "expertise."
• Lauda locks the uncensored thread which has no reason to exist but for NEMGUN to troll Enjin.

Peace up people, this space is very toxic and Bitcointalk is one of the most toxic forums in the space, especially with individuals such as NEMGUN who would pay people (apparently he is loaded from the NVO sale) to pursue his accusation and will drag others in such as Lauda and possibly Cryptodevil himself.

Show this community you are actually reasonable and are actually doing this for the community not for personal gain, discredit a project with baseless accusations (because you got no proof so far), and use your own forum status/rank to convince people otherwise.

That is my point. Those names don't ping anywhere, and I mean even the usual white-pages, academic, professional or even government databases. That is unheard of.


Are you intentionally being obtuse or do you simply not understand the fact that yes, there are obvious reasons why you would invent 'Lilia' and 'Chris' as customer service accounts and it isn't for nefarious purposes, either. If you're having to provide contact points for your users, you want to be able to maintain a common front-office image and constantly having to change these as staff come and go over the years means that it makes perfect sense to 'standardise' these forum accounts into sock-puppets which can be utilised by whomever you do have working at that time to answer the support desk.

So, for all your "who answers...who writes...who supports..." snideness, the situation is still the same as it was from the beginning, namely, two forum accounts which exist as names only on your platform and are identified only through your say-so.

Look, the only other way for this to be properly settled then is for you to provide a copy of audited accounts which will serve to show the true status of your company's finances and confirm the number of registered employees you have.