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Enjin Coin - Smart Cryptocurrency for gaming!
August 09, 2017, 02:24:00 PM
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Hi guys, CTO of Enjin Coin here. We are being open and thoughtful about our coin and I welcome productive criticism and feedback. You guys seem to care about the direction of the project, based on 30 days of constant posting on our threads. But we draw the line when there is clear trolling and toxic behavior.

I would like to explain why NEMGUN is upset:

I spoke to him over a couple of days on video chat, thinking NVO might help us do our crowdsale. After a few interactions, we noticed some disturbing behavior from him and decided it was best not to work with this person. I understand rejection is upsetting, and that NVO wanted to use Enjin Coin as an example for their own project, but it is difficult to understand NEMGUN's aggression.

Here is part of what scared our entire team off from working with him:





His behavior on Skype video was rude, constant cursing at us while trying to force the project in his own direction. By chance, I was passing through the city which Ton (NVO founder) lives and I was planning to have an in-person meeting with him, but after our team did some background checks on NEMGUN we decided it was best to focus our resources elsewhere.

I understand that his feelings were perhaps hurt, however his present behaviour leaves us confident we made the correct choice.

Now that this has been cleared up...

I am perfectly clear about the direction and goals of our project. If you present clear, distilled arguments about why you believe this will fail, I'll be happy to respond. We are open minded and honestly want to build Enjin Coin to be a practical decentralized asset platform for gamers.

I am currently designing the technical specifications for all our smart contracts and Platform API. We have a team of experienced blockchain developers and advisors working with us, who will help guide all concepts and audit all contracts.

I'm 100% open to discuss logical, coherent arguments. If this devolves into trolling, then I'll remove myself from the thread. Until then, let's discuss.
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August 09, 2017, 11:39:21 AM
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First of all, thank you cryptodevil for your investigation, it is good to see BTCT community active to protect its members.

They have been introduced to me on skype, maxime the CEO clearly told me he wants to take advantage of the ethereum hype as i told them that their decision is a no sence. Then they took my ideas to hide their scam, i though they will use stratis or elements or even create their own blockchain, sorry for that.

This project sounds non logical, i don't imagine guys who args getting millions a month to integrate a token on their platform. That means they will have to stop using FIATS on their platform, and use their token instead, or its value will be low. Risking their users for a token ? it doesn't seems logical.

Needless to talk about the frequentation of the platform, it is indeed sinking, they advertise 18 Million users while only 2 millions are active (over a month). This project is about creating a smart contract, getting money, selling the platform and leaving it.

Instead of lying about the team members, they could have said, the tokens will go to the Enjin Team, no need to lie about that.

As a result, they want to keep coins to play pump and dump. Saying they will distribute tokens to their partners (big companies as they said) is stupid, are they bounty hunters ? are they serious about that ?

It is like offering tokens to trusted members of bitcointalk to promote a project, most of the time they refuse.


I let you read my two other posts, for fun and memmory :

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First, you are not game devs, you are a service platform. I risk to bring you down on the intellectual level if you keep ongoing.
Are you Minecraft ? are you DOTA ? are you CSGO ? to say that Enjin Coin could be implemented into games, i think that what you are saying is that the future game developers who have an interest into Altcoins and cryptocurrencies would come and use your token and your platform while they could simply create their own token, providing their own ressources. Why would they use Enjin instead of going for a custom sollution ?
You don't have the required weight in the gaming industry, you are a service provider. Creating skins, using them with a smart contract or a token, rise did something similar a year ago, they have been well financed but the project died. Skin coin isn't worth to mention. These are mostly a hype because any intelligent developer would ask himself first "can i develope my smart contract (or token) the way i want ?", as you are scraping the surface about the token, let me response in a development side, and i already told you about it, you responded saying that the token is for money only (which annoyed me). Once you put a smart contract on the blockchain you are limited, have a look at this link : https://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/2404/upgradeable-smart-contracts

Why skincoin isn't worth talking about (so does enjin) ? Because nothing will ever guanrantee that a deal will be respected by the seller side, unless a blockchain can upload graphics (which will be soon totally impossible because 4K) your system will be centralized. The other thing is that people doesn't need enjin to create a smart contract, you could have talked about a new protocole (like XCP) instead of a smart contract, it would have provided more integration sollutions, by the way we are still two talking here, that's why i ask you to lock the thread. Maybe Enjin have financial issues and that's the reason why you do a crowdsale. As i said, it is ridiculous and you hsould lock this thread as you would get your name dirty after that.

Stop looking for money like Gollum. I know that crowdsales are exciting for many people, with the return expectations, but you hsould think about the return you are going to provide, in this case, the project is simply dead because of the ERC20 token. Ethereum did smart contracts to enhance the services and rely on the blockchain's immutability,in this case, you talk about development while you are in services. Next time please, get more documentation before launching a project, because as far as i can see, there is no research here.

And you act like scamers pushing people towards investing everything in the first day in order to close it early. Give time to people, they need to think, to consider every aspect, to do their own researches. It is not because you saw a lot of crowdsales closing after a bunch of hours that it is really something good to do, you hsouldn't compare yourself to them, these guys started talking about their projects months before starting the crowdsale, and they have highly well made and though project, with months of sleepless nights, while you come in and talk about been expects since X years, empty barrels make more noise than full barrels, your whitepaper is empty.

Seriosuly, lock the thread, it is shame to launch a thread like this one. If you made a fork, it would have attracted a lot of people, and we would have all waited for yobit listing to dump it, that's sad.

With the actual structure, the crowdsale reminds me of :


sucky, sucky, 5 dollars, crowdsale ends in 8 hours !
Ming Lee, Cartman



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Oh c'mon, you copied my personality or what ? NVOsaid that it will support MaidSafe, and now you say that you will probably support Raiden. There is only one difference, Dirvine has confirmed that we contacted them and are willing to work together. No Raiden contributor confirmed about what you stated. I told you about Stratis and Blockstream (NVO uses CounterParty) , which is maybe the only interesting point into your reply, for the rest, it is only blabla.

Cryptocurrencies are moving towards decentralization, and you talk about a smart contract (which is decentralized) linked to a centralized authority, that's amazing, why don't you just deal with the FIATS as they are already centralized, why don't you keep them ? Do not be hypocritical. Don't worry Witek, i will teach you a small lesson soon. However, i still believe that enjin is a scam, this is why i tell you to delay it for the next year and think about a really good idea, not something to scam people.
Quote from: jeffthebaker link=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028112.msg20295960#msg20295960
I made a pretty long post on the (not yet active) subreddit, but I'll put down a few of my major concerns here, too: How could you possibly integrate EnjinCoin, a cryptocurrency asset on the Ethereum blockchain, to your community, which are largely children? How will you see adoption when, beyond this, the people investing in this coin are not the same people who will be using it. (Minecraft gamers and crypto investors don't mix much. Look at all the failed Minecraft Crypto servers). Why are you paying the team with 18% (yikes!) of ENJ supply, as well as paying them through ICO sales? Double paying? IF ENJ is widely adopted by your millions of users, who is paying the ETH transaction? Kids would be wanting to send a few dollars back and forth all the time. That doesn't work with current fees.

Most importantly, why make your own currency? Why not partner with GameCredits, who is already seeking to achieve just this?
As of the development side, i think that they are already down. However, your feedback about the Ethereum transactions is really interresting, i am really pleased to see real legendaries in bitcointalk, it starts to be rare.
I can't imagine a young user demanding his father for a bittrex account (or poloniex) to buy Ethereum which will have to be withdrawed to another exchange to buy this non-sence coin in order to withdraw it again (while paying fees for each step) to finally send it to the Enjin platform, and loose on fees again. All this process should happen in about 20 minutes minimum which is far enough for his friends to finish a game and leave it before than he is able to arrive.
As they are scaming young people on their platform, they think they can scam people on BTCt too, by the way, they are based in Singapor which is the reason why they don't gime much interest to the legal sides. And i have a hwole discusion about that from skype, they better focus on TOS to protect themselfs instead of the users.
Also, i don't understand why someone making 1Million$/month would run a crowdsale for a token, especially into the same platform, you could have sold shares of the company instead as it would have been a lot more interesting for the investors. Ah ! i forgot that you don't care about the legal sides, you are the kind of letting your investors selling their tokens to young users, really, the project is really nice, rushing the crowdsale to get funds.
I wonder what the volume will be, the best skin is usually sold for 14$, i can't image a whale negociating with a child for 14$. Totally awkwarkd.

conclusion, i imagine the investors :

Homer: hey son, i found a way to get money, i invested all the money saved by your mom for your sister's studies.
Bart: really Homer ? we are going to be rich ? i don't care for studies !
Homer: I bought Enjin coins, you will be able to sell them to your friends !
Bart : You are so stupid Homer !





Second investor profile :




Dora's mom : Hi honey, i missed you today, haven't you seen my 200$ ?
Dora: Hi momy, i used them to buy Enjin coins, they promised that i could use them to buy charts for my next adventures !






Enjin is a Scam, rerouting the discussion, you reply with marketing. Originally BTCT is a dev forum, don't come into the territory of developers.





These are from the original thread, the one closed. These posts are funny, but they are more to provide a better vision on the project.
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August 09, 2017, 10:38:02 AM
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Should you be interested in our true network-wide ranking, you can see our network-wide statistics via our Quantcat page, located here.

Yes I took a look there and while the technical explanation for Alexa's stats regarding the Enjin.com domain might explain the steep drop-off from a few months ago, the metric concerning your network-wide stats seem to show that you've been steadily losing most of your market from the high of 2014.
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What's the situation in that regards?
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August 09, 2017, 10:33:23 AM
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...Since the majority of tokens are being distributed to create gameplay incentives, this doesn't dilute the crowdsale token pool very much.

That is an utter math fail. A pre-mine is a 'tax' by another name on the entire public distribution from day 1, whether you intend to distribute them slowly or otherwise. In this case (66% publicly sold and 34% retained by you) it is a 50% deduction in value, in real terms, to whatever the market price of the publicly sold coins is, regardless.

I am bringing this to your attention because it is extremely pertinent for investors to note the reality concerning the ICO price of this token and it is something which will definitely impact any market price expectations going forward. You would be wise to reconsider the size of this pre-mine if you want to have any hope of interest from experienced investors. Otherwise you risk attracting uninformed speculators who see the hype and not the numbers, and they rarely possess the means to offer significant funding for these ICOs. Well, not for long, anyway.

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August 09, 2017, 10:32:35 AM
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16% Partnerships:
This portion of tokens will be used to promote Enjin Coin directly to gamers and game developers over the next few years.
For each of these four stages, we'll need to use some of the partnership tokens as incentives.
We're also going to distribute small amounts of coins to 30,000 existing gaming communities (the most active ones on the Enjin network).
18% Team/Advisors:
That is a huge chunk of money you are going to be diluting the pot with. You want people to buy 66% of the coin supply with ETH and then you are effectively in control of the other 34% which, as they are being sold on the market, rob those 66% coin-holders of value. So they are not just buying at the ICO price, they are buying at the ICO price and then facing a 50% 'tax' being applied to their market share value as those remaining 34% of coins are distributed and ultimately sold for ETH.

Who came up with those figures and thought they'd be an acceptable structure for an ICO-funded project?

World-class devs and staff don't come cheap and if we were to hire 6 additional developers and other supporting staff we're looking at an increased spend of $1m+ USD per year in salaries alone, not to mention a lot of additional costs involved.
You are running the crowdsale with the intent of reaching a minimum of 60,000 ETH, yes? That equates to about USD$12,000,000.00 at today's prices. Why is that insufficient for your project's spending needs to the degree that you also want to distribute another USD$3,000,000.00 dollars-worth (16% Partnerships) of coins from the pre-mine to pay for other aspects of the project which are not apparently covered by the initial ICO amount collected.

Would it not be fairer to use ICO funds to purchase coins from the post-ICO market for paying for these third-party 'community' distributions? That would at least mitigate the persistent down-pressure on the market from value dilution.

18% Team/Advisors:
This includes our core team and advisors... Each team member should have a personal stake in our success.
Indeed, they should, which is why it is *really* important to ensure the people you are listing as team-members are legitimate. Which leads me to the other issue of trying to establish the who's who of the Enjin team.

You listed Lilia Pritchard as somebody who 'works in the background', yet she is supposed to be a social media and marketing expert who happens to have no presence on the web, at all. Why is this and how can we be sure she is who you say she?

The same goes for these two people:
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Neither of whom I can find any details for outside of your infographic. Please provide links to show these three exist somewhere on the web as actual people, as opposed to us having to simply take your words for it.

I am not being unreasonable in these requests and Vanbex, the excellent and highly professional marketing firm you are looking to pay with your ICO funds, will know exactly why I am asking these questions of you and will most definitely agree with the need to ensure that you and your project are exactly who and what you say you are.

If you doubt me, ask them.
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August 09, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
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Also, you list this young lady:
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Lilia Pritchard, as a team member and marketing and social media expert, yes?

Trouble is, whenever I do a search for her with the term 'enjin' I don't get any results other than your ICO page and a website listing a 'Lilia Pritchard' as an English language teacher.
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Actually, even when I do a simple search on "Lilia Pritchard" I'm only getting 62 results, none of them leading anywhere useful.

Where would I find examples of Ms Pritchard's social media chops?

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August 09, 2017, 10:31:52 AM
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[EDIT]

Issues raised were resolved and scam accusation thread archived and flagged for deletion.



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