Topic: Deleted posts in the Hardware BFL Thread, Double Standards, and Hypocrisy - page 7. (Read 8366 times)

Yeah, it's pretty clear that several messages that were on-topic were deleted under the guise of restoring order to more-on-topic-ness. Even one of mine that was in response to darkmule's mindless harangue (about brush242's ad hominem, straw-man bullshit directed at me) was deleted. Talk about buzz kill.

I understand that mods have to make certain motions to fix things, but sometimes it is better to be more discriminating and careful when you do that.

I'm personally a fan of Maxwell (going back to the whole JSTOR public domain material thing), so I find it hard to believe he's in cahoots with BFL, but I don't think he made the correct choice in all posts that were removed. Just my two cents.

Unfortunately, this will only have the effect of making that thread completely irrelevant and no one will want to post anything there any more. Shame.

The timing of the sudden "clean up" of the BFL fucked us over again is curious at best. If you believe Steven Reid's shit had nothing to do with that I suggest you go out to buy Occam's razor and get a good shave. It may have been Off Topic for that thread but it is definitely an topic that should have been split into a separate thread instead of flat out deleting it. I do consider this a moderation mistake. But hey, nobody is perfect. It would be great if the relevant post could be restored as a new thread. Say from a hidden subforum that contains deleted messages.

Props to Steven Reid for managing to erase his vomit though. He has poked the bear and then managed to get the zoo keeper to clean up the mess afterwards. We've seen that he's a idiotic piece of shit, yet he got that done.

Other noteworthy things:
- GMaxwell will remove his own posts too, which will hide the fact that a moderation sweep ever took place in that thread.
- The stage has been set for account bans
- Some good came out of it too. At least now GMaxwell has committed to keeping the thread "clean". Not sure for how long though.

Bruno, I asked you in the other thread but it was deleted, what does doxing brush242 have to do with BFL? Did he work for them?

Finally, I was able to obtain a cache of Stephen Reid/Rush Reid/Steve Reid's Linkedin page prior to him doing some cleansing of his own. I had to hit esc. prior to the page loaning and was able to use the text only link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:80kK_later0J:au.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Steve/Ll&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1


Compare the following with what's available now. (I incorporated the two original links that no longer work)

@maxwell. I understand your position. But this is not kindergarten. And you cannot ground people in the corner. People are gathering information and at times they make jokes. Keep in mind Maxwell that FTC has been referred to this list several times because many of us have gathered an enormous amount of information. We are trying to make their job easier too. It can very well be considered as tampering with evidence. Considering what happened last night, you can warn people from time to time not to overload the thread with too many pictures. But be careful with overzealous deletions.

Well Gregory: Sorry, but it can; "lawyer-dude" Stephen M. Reid showed up as this community was posting more and more evidence of BFL/Bitpay's fraud/money laundering and started derailing that. Since no mod was anywhere near to putting that dude in his place the community acted itself (thank you, Bruno et al.) and doxed him. By your blunt actions this context has been totally lost while his (lawyer-dude's) prior derailments still stand.

So sorry, but: yes, your "aggressive" actions actually led "to the betterment of BFL"...  

And to put insult to injury you then start threatening that very community

Did you do that just to spite me? ROFL

Which makes your removal of the dox of such an "upstanding professional" so troubling, considering the rubbish he was adding to the thread, and resulted in said doxing.

In the nicest way possible, I'm trying to say "In this instance, I think you went a bit too far. He deserved to be unmasked considering his 'contributions'. Yes, I'm agreeing with you that much of the last 10-15 pages of that thread have been pure cancer, but lawyer dude fucked up, and I think it was totally uncool of you to nuke the genesis post doxing him. The circle jerk went way too far after that, though"

EDIT: As an alternative, I might have suggested splitting off the last 10 pages and moved it to meta or offtopic or something...

There is more to that. Brush242 did not manage to hush people up; ""It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt" --Some Guy, Late 1800s

I didn't offer anonymous service, or even pseudo-anonymous service. I would not be anonymous. Any client will be able to confirm my legitimacy in the jurisdictions where I am admitted to practice law.

Depending on the extent of the services needed for legal representation, clients and I will enter into a written representation agreement that covers fees, costs, scope of service, et cetera. For other services, a standard business agreement."

See for yourself https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10050629

So then comes a force majeure and caboom... everyone's posts are gone. A very interesting coincidence 

As you yourself admitted, the posts had nothing to do with BFL other than by virtue of being posted in that thread.  I did also invite any complaints to come here, rather than to continue offtopic on that thread.

Generally when a thread is going offtopic we'll do a cleanup on the last couple pages to push it back onto the rails. There is no use in cleaning up hundreds of pages of past topic transgressions which no one is reading anymore. Many of the points I removed also had no connection to the (also offtopic) doxing posts.

SaltySpitoon, with due respect: Thanks for your support, but you're also confused. The posts in question were not related to BFL except by virtue of having been (_incorrectly_) posted in a BFL thread, and none of the posts themselves claimed to be related to BFL.  By defending my (very much real) non-connection to and non-motivation to help BFL you're just making it sound like I removed something to the betterment of BFL, which I think cannot be sanely alleged. (Quite the contrary: The mass of inscrutable, unprofessional, and irrelevant rubbish on that thread makes BFL's angry customers look bad and separates them from actual information which could be used to improve their situation).

It's quite likely that I deleted plenty of more borderline material (like the posts with nothing but pictures of chickens) that I might not have deleted as single isolated posts. This is the norm for pushing a thread back on topic. I used a similar approach (periodic aggressive removals) with reasonable success in some of the prior KNC threads.

He already said it. He won't be back. If he does come back to this thread it won't be to say, "oh yeah, I didn't read through them all carefully enough so I deleted things I shouldn't have because I'm unfamiliar with the topic". lol

I myself am inclined to think this was one of those "unfamiliarity" with the thread kind of things, rather than "ill-intent".

But it would be interesting to see what Gregory has to say for himself... 

Except for gmaxwell, who removed the dox in the Butterfly Labs thread, called it "cleaning up 10 pages of derailment", resulting in this meta thread being created, right ?