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Quote from: Martijnvdc on September 10, 2014, 11:49:03 AM

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Quote from: Martijnvdc on September 10, 2014, 11:24:40 AM

Quote from: Joecker on September 10, 2014, 10:53:44 AM

Quote from: a1choi on September 10, 2014, 10:47:14 AM

Quote from: chalidore on September 10, 2014, 10:37:35 AM

So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

the people that got hit have already complained. They lost approximately 85% of their investment. But because it was lost to a ~~gambler~~ cheater, they don't complain as hard as someone might if they had their bankroll stolen outright.

Exactly...
I still haven't been refunded. The owner tells me i have been "positively affected"?? I didn't gamble AT ALL... EVER... Not a single roll. I only invested, and i lost it to a cheater. I have been able to withdraw the remaining 0.049 BTC. The rest (0.251 BTC) is still stolen.

YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE INVESTED WHAT YOU COULD NOT AFFORD TO LOSE

I CAN afford to lose it... It's just that i still have a right to the money if it has been stolen from me. If the gambling was fair, i wouldn't have minded losing the investment...

There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.

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Quote from: Martijnvdc on September 10, 2014, 11:49:03 AM

I CAN afford to lose it... It's just that i still have a right to the money if it has been stolen from me. If the gambling was fair, i wouldn't have minded losing the investment...

Goes back to Rule #1 in Bitcoin

If you dont own the Private Key you dont own the bitcoins.

I'm well aware of that.
So that makes the theft justified to you? What if you borrow someone some bitcoin? They are not obligated to hand it back to you at some point?

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Quote from: Martijnvdc on September 10, 2014, 11:24:40 AM

Quote from: Joecker on September 10, 2014, 10:53:44 AM

Quote from: a1choi on September 10, 2014, 10:47:14 AM

Quote from: chalidore on September 10, 2014, 10:37:35 AM

So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

the people that got hit have already complained. They lost approximately 85% of their investment. But because it was lost to a ~~gambler~~ cheater, they don't complain as hard as someone might if they had their bankroll stolen outright.

Exactly...
I still haven't been refunded. The owner tells me i have been "positively affected"?? I didn't gamble AT ALL... EVER... Not a single roll. I only invested, and i lost it to a cheater. I have been able to withdraw the remaining 0.049 BTC. The rest (0.251 BTC) is still stolen.

YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE INVESTED WHAT YOU COULD NOT AFFORD TO LOSE

I CAN afford to lose it... It's just that i still have a right to the money if it has been stolen from me. If the gambling was fair, i wouldn't have minded losing the investment...

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I'm working on a fully in depth story covering the whole DiceBitco.in scandal. I'm going to try and be as unbiased as possible, but I am also going to state what most likely happened in regards to "mateo's" ridiculously "lucky" betting. What is the final calculation on the chances that mateo could have actually had those results? I need these calculations and odds to be confirmed by several highly mathematical people before I would publish them. Anybody can help me out and confirm these?

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Yep. Someone needs to ice that guy.

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Quote from: Joecker on September 10, 2014, 10:53:44 AM

Quote from: a1choi on September 10, 2014, 10:47:14 AM

Quote from: chalidore on September 10, 2014, 10:37:35 AM

So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

the people that got hit have already complained. They lost approximately 85% of their investment. But because it was lost to a ~~gambler~~ cheater, they don't complain as hard as someone might if they had their bankroll stolen outright.

Exactly...
I still haven't been refunded. The owner tells me i have been "positively affected"?? I didn't gamble AT ALL... EVER... Not a single roll. I only invested, and i lost it to a cheater. I have been able to withdraw the remaining 0.049 BTC. The rest (0.251 BTC) is still stolen.

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It seems evident that the site will attempt to continue to run. There are still people gambling there. It looks like the investment feature is still functioning. Are those 520 coins currently invested from people who still haven't withdrawn or is it manl's BR?

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Quote from: a1choi on September 10, 2014, 10:47:14 AM

Quote from: chalidore on September 10, 2014, 10:37:35 AM

So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

the people that got hit have already complained. They lost approximately 85% of their investment. But because it was lost to a ~~gambler~~ cheater, they don't complain as hard as someone might if they had their bankroll stolen outright.

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Quote from: chalidore on September 10, 2014, 10:37:35 AM

So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

the people that got hit have already complained. They lost approximately 85% of their investment. But because it was lost to a gambler, they don't complain as hard as someone might if they had their bankroll stolen outright.

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Quote from: chalidore on September 10, 2014, 10:37:35 AM

So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

Chances are the people with the highest investments were the ones watching the closest and pulled out before mateo arrived. Whether someone had 100 btc invested or 1, questions have been asked and no answers have been provided from DB.

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So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

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Magic internet net money accounting

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Quote from: dooglus on September 10, 2014, 10:04:38 AM

Quote from: seedtrue on September 09, 2014, 03:17:48 PM

Makes me wonder if same kind of thing happened at his other site diceliteco.in

max win of 444 LTC Site profit = -17,174.3479 LTC

I think that's a player profit of -17k, so a site profit of +17k.

DB used to show it the same way until a few of us pointed out that the negative number could be offputting.

hmm thats really wierd

but if dicebitco.in got rigged like that

probobly dicelitecoin got rigged as well thats how i look into it

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I lost the liqour money boys...

There is also the possibility that mateonl was freerolling, waging numbers on a screen vs. real BTC on a provably rigged game.

When is manl going to publish mateo's seed?

That's right, never, because manl is in another country now doing lots of cocaine and hookers. He can afford it.

Bankroll: 522
Profit: -320
Invested: 1131

522 + -322 = 844

844 = 1131

Profit = profit??

Maths is truly magic.

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Quote from: seedtrue on September 09, 2014, 03:17:48 PM

Makes me wonder if same kind of thing happened at his other site diceliteco.in

max win of 444 LTC Site profit = -17,174.3479 LTC

I think that's a player profit of -17k, so a site profit of +17k.

DB used to show it the same way until a few of us pointed out that the negative number could be offputting.

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Quote from: Cluster2k on September 10, 2014, 12:08:39 AM

Currently DB is reporting:

Bankroll: 522
Profit: -320
Invested: 1131

Don't all invested funds get added to the bankroll? Why is the bankroll less than half of what's currently invested?

"Invested" doesn't change when players win or lose. Bankroll does; that's one big difference.

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mmmkay, if we assume that initial bankroll of casino (u) and of mateonl (v) are both finite, with the above notations and assumptions, the probability we're actually looking for (what is the probability of winning 600btc or more with betting 60k times 1btc @49.5%?) is P[S>600 | vu for some j] are not directly related to the above quantity...

Btw for this type of calculation, due to the nature of normal law, usual tools precision is only about 7-8 decimals. Indeed, when I plugged in the more precise numbers (for stdev etc), Mathematica returns P = 0.

Quote from: Cluster2k on September 10, 2014, 08:20:32 AM

(...) http://www.themerrymonk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/theres-a-chance.jpeg

Of course there's a chance ! .. but you have bigger chance of dying on your way to buy an Euromillion ticket (.. than to win the jackpot). Rip to all those bastards who died their way to the shop!.. that's why I feel much "safer" with online gambling ;P

LOL.. yea not funny for the victims :// But I am amazed by the accuracy of the calculations ;P

Quote from: wayshegoes on September 10, 2014, 09:38:32 AM

What's the probability of completely anonymous developers stealing money that people basically gave to them?

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I lost the liqour money boys...

What's the probability of completely anonymous developers stealing money that people basically gave to them?

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Quote from: Cluster2k on September 10, 2014, 08:20:32 AM

Quote from: a1choi on September 10, 2014, 08:04:43 AM

With a Z-score approaching almost 5, the evidence points more and more to something virtually impossible happening. It could happen, but at the probability of 4.8x10^-7.

Hehehe. Thats EXACTLY what i'm telling you. :p

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Hopefully this will teach people not to flock to one person and trust anyone, even someone like dooglus, with their BTC until they do their own research and a site establishes a track record.

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