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September 10, 2014, 04:10:30 PM
In the Copypasta response I got manl said he "Rolled Back" the admin so how do we know it wasn't tampered with before rigged bets were noticed. He doesn't check the code before he published his site to the web so maybe manl put some "malicious bug" in there hiding an evil bug out of plain sight maybe coded to seem like legit code.


The malicious code is plausibly deniable anyway I guarntee he's covered his track or edited history to look real. I'll wait for any official response from dicebitcoin but most likely he's long gone by now leaving his website on autopilot. I have no plans to go on TOR to "waste" him, it's only a few thousand dollars I'll survive.

sr. member
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September 10, 2014, 03:44:57 PM
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Nakowa also played at full Kelly while Matteo only at half Kelly, so it's much more improbable. As far as I remember Nakowa didn't win 85% of house bankroll like Matteo but it was only around 15%.
That Kelly troll shit has to end! .. it does NOT apply to a gambler gambling in a casino with a positive house edge!

Kelly definitely works when the system is rigged for a particular bettor


yes, but the assumptions here are that Mateo is a normal user.  And that within those bounds, what are the chances of this legitimately happening.  Thus we can conclude whether or not, mateo is a legitimate user or not.

Also, I believe GeoRW was just pointing out the fact that Nak was playing at 1% and Mateo was playing at max 0.5%.  Thus mateo's run is even more legendary/improbable, as he was able to win 5-6x more of the bankroll than Nak was, at a lower max bet.  Amazing luck, or suspicious?  I'd say suspicious.

I was another late withdrawing investor losing about 7BTC. I am keen to speak with others about what they plan to do next, if anything. Quickly reviewing this thread it seems the following lost a significant percentage of their investment due to Mateo, I'm sure there are many more.

jh7phone -8.5 BTC
Qconnet07 (me) -7 BTC
Martijnvdc -0.251 BTC
Dabs -1.14 BTC
nicolaennio -0.09 BTC


Would other ex-investors be interested in meeting in an IRC room/somewhere else to discuss further at some point soon? I am on GMT.

I feel that one clear voice from a collective will be more effective that individual support tickets, all of which are just going to ignored/deleted.

I find it highly suspect that Manl/Gerry won't release Mateo's betting data for audit and see this as good as an admission of guilt. Their lack of action to halt betting and quick processing of Mateo's withdraw, coupled with the coincidental 500BTC bankroll that suddenly appeared, all scream of foul play at the expense of investors.

Would others be interested in discussing our options further in private? Please let me know and we can agree a time and day.  

From the grapevine, someone lost 80-90BTCs because of this.  he's probably pretty pissed off.  If that specific user wants to speak up, he should add his name to the list.
full member
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September 10, 2014, 03:32:30 PM
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Nakowa also played at full Kelly while Matteo only at half Kelly, so it's much more improbable. As far as I remember Nakowa didn't win 85% of house bankroll like Matteo but it was only around 15%.
That Kelly troll shit has to end! .. it does NOT apply to a gambler gambling in a casino with a positive house edge!

Kelly definitely works when the system is rigged for a particular bettor
newbie
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September 10, 2014, 03:21:49 PM
He(or they) is laughing reading us, he's getting high on C and H and weed. He's fucking (underaged) boys and girls right now...

If you're planing to waste the guy(s), better go torchat directly ;P

edit: but be cautious... GUYS... he could as well come here (with a new account Roll Eyes ) and present himself as a (fake) victim and ... fuck you over again :/
newbie
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September 10, 2014, 03:14:25 PM
I was another late withdrawing investor losing about 7BTC. I am keen to speak with others about what they plan to do next, if anything. Quickly reviewing this thread it seems the following lost a significant percentage of their investment due to Mateo, I'm sure there are many more.

jh7phone -8.5 BTC
Qconnet07 (me) -7 BTC
Martijnvdc -0.251 BTC
Dabs -1.14 BTC
nicolaennio -0.09 BTC


Would other ex-investors be interested in meeting in an IRC room/somewhere else to discuss further at some point soon? I am on GMT.

I feel that one clear voice from a collective will be more effective that individual support tickets, all of which are just going to ignored/deleted.

I find it highly suspect that Manl/Gerry won't release Mateo's betting data for audit and see this as good as an admission of guilt. Their lack of action to halt betting and quick processing of Mateo's withdraw, coupled with the coincidental 500BTC bankroll that suddenly appeared, all scream of foul play at the expense of investors.

Would others be interested in discussing our options further in private? Please let me know and we can agree a time and day. 
newbie
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September 10, 2014, 03:06:40 PM
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Nakowa also played at full Kelly while Matteo only at half Kelly, so it's much more improbable. As far as I remember Nakowa didn't win 85% of house bankroll like Matteo but it was only around 15%.
That Kelly troll shit has to end! .. it does NOT apply to a gambler gambling in a casino with a positive house edge!
sr. member
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Trust No One
September 10, 2014, 03:02:10 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3247358

Here is Peter Rs analysis - somebody do this.

To pull out that graph for manteol, one needs to know each of his bets...not likely to be available in this eon. Yea we could suppose
all at 49.5%
1k at 7btc
12.5k at 2btc
33k at 1btc etc etc you get the idea... but to put into perspective with my previous analysis... here's what world's luckiest gambler managed to do (Attention: profit/loss is reversed with PeterR's graph) :


To make it clearer, each of the color bands refers to 1SD away from the mean.  Notice how 600 profit would be another 2 color bands away?  thats 5 SD away from the mean.  pretty fucking impossible if you could get any more impossible.. nak, on the other hand, was only a little over 2SD away.  not too fucking crazy.

Nakowa also played at full Kelly while Matteo only at half Kelly, so it's much more improbable. As far as I remember Nakowa didn't win 85% of house bankroll like Matteo but it was only around 15%.
sr. member
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September 10, 2014, 02:38:49 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3247358

Here is Peter Rs analysis - somebody do this.

To pull out that graph for manteol, one needs to know each of his bets...not likely to be available in this eon. Yea we could suppose
all at 49.5%
1k at 7btc
12.5k at 2btc
33k at 1btc etc etc you get the idea... but to put into perspective with my previous analysis... here's what world's luckiest gambler managed to do (Attention: profit/loss is reversed with PeterR's graph) :


To make it clearer, each of the color bands refers to 1SD away from the mean.  Notice how 600 profit would be another 2 color bands away?  thats 5 SD away from the mean.  pretty fucking impossible if you could get any more impossible.. nak, on the other hand, was only a little over 2SD away.  not too fucking crazy.
newbie
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September 10, 2014, 02:27:04 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3247358

Here is Peter Rs analysis - somebody do this.
http://i.imgur.com/ooGBuvh.gif
To pull out that graph for manteol, one needs to know each of his bets...not likely to be available in this eon. Yea we could suppose
all at 49.5%
1k at 7btc
12.5k at 2btc
33k at 1btc etc etc you get the idea... but to put into perspective with my previous analysis... here's what world's luckiest gambler managed to do (Attention: profit/loss is reversed with PeterR's graph) :
http://i.imgur.com/e1MHx7U.png
member
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September 10, 2014, 02:19:09 PM
what a nightmare looks like my 8.5btc will never be returned. nothing can be proven in the investment scam. only reason gambling deposits were returned was because it was proven scamming. hopefully somebody can get to the bottom of it. I bet this will be forgotten about because of a very small percentage of the users are actually affected, most profited. he should really stop saying that investors were not affected by them cheating.
sr. member
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September 10, 2014, 01:51:41 PM

1. does not matter/not relevant
2. no one knows as Manl has not broached the subject about this user AT ALL.  Fishy?
3. they only got back their initial deposits, NOT the winnings that they should have won, had the code been correct and winning bets not been skipped.
4. they only received whatever was left, 15%.   IF they paid out Mateo, then fine, they fucked up and paid out a potential scammer, and the investors were on the hook for that.  BUT if they did not pay out Mateo, then they should refund the investors with that money. have they? Nope.

whats your defense UV?

1. 100% relevant if not - then how can you blame him
2. Fishy but does anyone other than manl have bet log / seed info?
3. So the "site" got rolled back, same as PRC if I remember
4.  They invested so they where gambling with +EV (assumes new correct RNG installed to prevent the screwed up one) - I watched Nakowa go from +8000 to -8000 to +8000 BTC.  PeterR did a great calculation on this for JD on Nakowa - might be someone who you all pay to verify

My defense - I did not do it so why do I need a defense - I was not invested

1) my arguments don't rely on assuming if manl is or is not mateo.  i'll allow people to examine the evidence
2) Manl has not agreed to release any info on mateo.  so we'll never know for sure.
3) this is NOT the same as the PRC rollback.  PRC went further to payout bets that WOULD have won, had you been afflicted by the bad code.  DB did not do that.  DB simply made your initial deposit whole.  Totally not the same thing.
4) we've already done mathematical analysis on this player that what he did had an extremely small chance of happening.  What nakowa did was perhaps 2-3SD from the mean? but what Mateo did was almost 5SD from the mean.  ALSO, it is not an argument that JUST because investors happened to profit from bad code, that its fair that they lose it back to some lucky player.  Also, what happens if an investor had JUST invested that day?  Did not even get a chance to "profit" from bad code, and gets hit by mateo's "lucky" run?
legendary
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┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
September 10, 2014, 01:43:16 PM
What is the status of signature payouts?
When do we get the money?
Is there theard for this?

Everyone has been paid. You can remove the signature now.
sr. member
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September 10, 2014, 01:41:35 PM
What is the status of signature payouts?
When do we get the money?
Is there theard for this?

wrong thread. there is another one just for sig payouts.
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September 10, 2014, 01:39:24 PM
What is the status of signature payouts?
When do we get the money?
Is there theard for this?
sr. member
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September 10, 2014, 01:38:56 PM
There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.
Exactly... Why doesn't he see that?


Questions - For Reals -

1.  Can anyone prove mateo was manL?
2.  Did mateo get paid?
3.  Did everyone who got snookered as gamblers get their funds bad?
4.  Did investors who had bankroll when mateo was gambling not recieve their other funds?

1. does not matter/not relevant
2. no one knows as Manl has not broached the subject about this user AT ALL.  Fishy?
3. they only got back their initial deposits, NOT the winnings that they should have won, had the code been correct and winning bets not been skipped.
4. they only received whatever was left, 15%.   IF they paid out Mateo, then fine, they fucked up and paid out a potential scammer, and the investors were on the hook for that.  BUT if they did not pay out Mateo, then they should refund the investors with that money. have they? Nope.

whats your defense UV?
sr. member
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September 10, 2014, 01:35:44 PM
I'm working on a fully in depth story covering the whole DiceBitco.in scandal. I'm going to try and be as unbiased as possible, but I am also going to state what most likely happened in regards to "mateo's" ridiculously "lucky" betting. What is the final calculation on the chances that mateo could have actually had those results? I need these calculations and odds to be confirmed by several highly mathematical people before I would publish them. Anybody can help me out and confirm these?

you can talk to joecker.  he seems to have his math right.
legendary
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┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
September 10, 2014, 01:12:56 PM
There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.
Exactly... Why doesn't he see that?


Questions - For Reals -

1.  Can anyone prove mateo was manL?
2.  Did mateo get paid?
3.  Did everyone who got snookered as gamblers get their funds bad (back*)?
4.  Did investors who had bankroll when mateo was gambling not recieve their other funds?

1. No
2. Yes, dicebitcoin said that his withdrawal was processed (iirc)
3. No
4. Their investment got (sorry for the language) raped however they got what little was left of it, yes.
legendary
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https://bpip.org
September 10, 2014, 01:12:12 PM
There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.
Exactly... Why doesn't he see that?


Questions - For Reals -

1.  Can anyone prove mateo was manL?
2.  Did mateo get paid?
3.  Did everyone who got snookered as gamblers get their funds bad?
4.  Did investors who had bankroll when mateo was gambling not recieve their other funds?

1. No.
2. Unknown.
3. Did you mean "back"? AFAIK not everyone. Only ones that had a negative balance.
4. Yes? (i.e. they received their 15% or whatever was left).
legendary
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September 10, 2014, 01:03:54 PM
There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.
Exactly... Why doesn't he see that?


Questions - For Reals -

1.  Can anyone prove mateo was manL?
2.  Did mateo get paid?
3.  Did everyone who got snookered as gamblers get their funds bad?
4.  Did investors who had bankroll when mateo was gambling not recieve their other funds?

5. Who the fuck you are? Lawyer of DB..?
sr. member
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September 10, 2014, 12:53:43 PM
So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

the people that got hit have already complained.  They lost approximately 85% of their investment.  But because it was lost to a gambler cheater, they don't complain as hard as someone might if they had their bankroll stolen outright.
Exactly...
I still haven't been refunded. The owner tells me i have been "positively affected"?? I didn't gamble AT ALL... EVER... Not a single roll. I only invested, and i lost it to a cheater. I have been able to withdraw the remaining 0.049 BTC. The rest (0.251 BTC) is still stolen.

YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE INVESTED WHAT YOU COULD NOT AFFORD TO LOSE
I CAN afford to lose it... It's just that i still have a right to the money if it has been stolen from me. If the gambling was fair, i wouldn't have minded losing the investment...

There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.
Exactly... Why doesn't he see that?
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