Topic: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers - page 14. (Read 42103 times)

But what cathegody you have in mind? List can be sorted by parameters like:

total wagered - PD is far ahead of anyone else,
total bets - where PD is far ahead,
opening time - which is not that important as long as site is quite old,
max payout - where BetKing is winning,
total invested - where PD can't be since they don't have investment option avaiable

BetKing is not promoting aggressively on Bitcointalk ATM, nor have very active thread like PD has, so that might be a reason you don't know them.

You probably have heard of them, formerly operated as PocketRocketsCasino or PRC, they ran few sig campaigns in the past, and have had the largest crowd funded bitcoin bankroll since forever.

Really surprised BETKING is #1 compare to Primedice. I practically never heard of that site before I looked at your reviews. Its nice that they have an investment option at least.

Could you review our code again? Client side is changed to refresh provably fair details after every bet. Thanks.

Appreciate the response - very thorough.

Look forward to Crypto-Games making the fix and then being added to your list 

We are aware of this potential issue and its gonna be soon changed on all games. Thanks for notifying us about this.

At first because my site is a list of "most popular dice sites" and especially in the beginning they weren't very popular (compared to others.) Secondly because of the "developer handled security-bug report badly"-issue as discussed a few pages ago.

But I was/am planning to add them on the new version of my site. But the only current issue is that I don't like the technical details of the provably fair implementation. Specifically that you only get the serverseed hash of the next bet by clicking the "provably fair" tab. IMO the site should send this with the last bet result and don't make any HTTP request when a user clicks the "provably fair" tab (so the site is unaware if the user noted down the serverseed hash.) I emailed crypto-games about this last week, so I hope they do improve this.

Ps, the way they calculate the numbers/cards on blackjack/roulette/slots are actually better than almost all other implementations for those games on other casinos. Just that specific technical detail that I don't like.

Any reason why crypto-games hasn't been added?

Thnx, removed those old sites.

I can add a verifier for BitSler, but I am busy on new version of site first, so probably after that.

That's too bad, could you just add a verifier for the site?


Edit:
Also could you update the "Provably Fair?!" page when you find the time, these sites no longer excists.

dicenow.com
DogeDice.me
LiteDice.me
MagicalDice.com
RedDice.me

I never looked at them and only had a quick look now:



Hi/Lo freebitco.in game
First of all the house edge is 5%. There is nothing wrong with that, but most sites have a 0.5 - 1% house edge (and SatoshiDice highest with 1.95%.) Since they do give away free money and lottery entries, again I don't think there is anything wrong with it. But a "real dice player" probably should play somewhere else.

Provably fair
They use a "nonce" but yet they change the serverseed after each roll. So I am not sure why they would use that nonce With the "per roll" provably fair implementation, it's important that the site regenerates an unique client seed in the browser after getting the new serverseed hash after each bet. freebitco.in doesn't do this. This means IMO the provably fair implementation of them is "not really" provably fair.

Basically it allows them to serve a serverseed based on bet patterns (if you always go high, they would generate a low result.) The counter argument is that they shouldn't do this, because if they do this - you as a player can heavily cheat them too (bet 10x high, then a big low bet = easy profits.) Of course they could do it more subtle/smart. But besides that, the least they can do is make a result that isn't 8888 (jackpot), to scam jackpot entries completely unnoticeable.

I don't think they do this, but they should still fix this. Rollin had the same and fixed it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--687571 You can see more details/fix there too.

Note, that you CAN still bet provably fair on their site. It just takes some time: 1) Click "provably fair" 2) write down "Hash" and "Nonce" 3) change the "Client seed" 4) make bet 5) verify bet (their link seems fine.) You will need to do this for EVERY bet.



Lottery
Lottery is not provably fair at all. So yeh, "house player" can always win everything. If they want to implement a provably fair lottery, they should look into how PevPot used to do it.




TL;DR: personally I would gamble on other sites with proper provably fair implementations (preferably with real nonce-implementation.)

I would like to know about freebitco.in is that correct don't have any provably fair mechanism to generate the outcome for rolls, hi-low and their lottery, so is there any way to verify the outcome, because so many people claiming they can manipulate the outcome easily, is that is true or not?

I think BitSler still doesn't show any wagered statistic, so I cannot add them to my site.

What's about Bitsler?
I see that site is growing every day and I like speed of bet in that site!

Probably

You have bitvest.io on the radar to be added? I like to know their weekly stats=)

Like a year ago, lol. No, but next month should be realistic

when are you planning to release new version?

If you notice professional betters playing your dice via api, you should be very worried. The only time I've ever seen that before are on sites that have messed up the odds that allow people to play +EV. 

Thanks for listenting to my suggestion. I really love how you have set a high standard for all these casinos instead of just randomly listing them. This will help us have a lot more understanding on the behavior of the casino.