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While I waited, I noticed multiple sells to me for 7724 units within seconds of each other. This went on for hours.

Sounds like an autosell option enabled and fed by a mining pool withdrawal.
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everything can be fixed

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Especially when the starting point is cut and paste, misleading, diversionary replies like this:

HR, thank you once again for pointing things out.

We have definitely been hit very, very hard by multi-pools. You can't expect that not to happen when the price doubles over night. We are checking into more things as well. The network is still there and working but blocks are a bit sluggish. Once again we are doing everything we can to make DigiByte the best it can be!

To extremely specific and concise technical issues like this:



Another post based on hard data. The issue began after Feb. 22. and has PROGRESSIVELY gotten worse.

Since you haven't had time to read all these posts, I thought I'd repost this since it is quite important.

And you might want to go back and read the last few pages.  Wink


Check the data for the whole network. Not just one mining pool.


This is whole network data.

current block: 132,795

DGB released days 142 * 1440(24*60) = 204480

I haven't checked the data myself but you have to factor in the multipools attacks from a while ago. They caused a lot of blocks to be mined very slowly and would've totally thrown the total coins minted out of balance. Also, remember that the minting of coins isn't actually balanced by the system, only the difficulty factor.


You need to check the data yourself. If you look at the blockchain, you'll see that the issue began with the implementation of DigiShield, and has nothing to do with the multipool attacks. Block discovery was perfectly in line with DGB coding until Feb. 22, 2014. Take a look at the blockchain up to that date and divide by the number of days that DGB had been in existence. http://explorer.cryptopoolmining.com/chain/DigiByte

The issue began back then and has progressively gotten worse.




I repeat: The issue began after Feb. 22. and has PROGRESSIVELY gotten worse.

  • How would the issue progressively get worse if the number of multipools in existence is same as back then but with less than 50% the hashrate they had back then?
  • Why wouldn't you look at a DigiShield-ASIC incompatibility thesis since the only thing that has also grown progressively since that date is the use of ASIC?
  • To sum things up, why wouldn't you get serious with really troubleshooting the issue?
  • And why were you not aware of the issue before now? (Why wasn't anyone aware of the issue?)
  • Isn't this your coin that you intimately know? Don't you take responsibility for it?

Do I need to open a support ticket at Craptsy?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


We've also been talking a bit about this on the "Whattomine - profitability website with basic api" thread (. . . if you're looking for troubleshooting and controlled testing ideas . . . my time is limited to being a contributor, not a Dev, and not even a full time hobbyist - anyone doing testing/troubleshooting, please post your hard data and initial assumptions).
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7106535

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Price increasing significantly. I wonder if there are people in the know already or the price jump is based purely on speculation.

It is not a speculation... DGB is showing the quality in an organic way... I think the new bottom is coming soon around 75 Satoshi. Then 100, then 150....... 1k Huh

This is completely false.

After reading Jared's announcement I decided to get back into DGB. I logged into Cryptsy at ~1am EST and decided I would take advantage of the low value of ~39.
I put in buy orders of between 35-37, forced the price down and bought 7,000,000 DBG.
While I waited, I noticed multiple sells to me for 7724 units within seconds of each other. This went on for hours.
Meanwhile on MintPal, the price was increasing dramatically from similar multiple small buy/sells. MintPal did not have the depth that Cryptsy does, mostly due to the BTC I threw at DGB.
This literally went on for hours while I purchased millions of coins.
This was obviously the work of bots and just who would throw thousands of dollars at me to buy cheap coins only to resell them hours later at a 70% profit?

This is anything but "organic".



[edit] Whomever it was, thank you!
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So many people don't understand this, it blows my mind. Gpus can only go so far, even with x11/qrk and the like.

Think of GPUs as though they are people. That's your user base. The argument behind ASIC resistant is not to fight efficiency, rather it is to support a widely distributed user base. Everyone has a computer (well, not everyone, but you get the idea) and they are multitasking (that's why "everyone" has one). ASICs are specialized, and, by definition, your average man on the street will never have one (they can't do other practical things that the average man wants), and that means that you say goodbye to universal adoption, as in KYSGB.

Efficiency is good, but not at the cost of your widely distributed user base, that is if you want to survive.

Why do you think so much emphasis is being given to CPU mining by those energy efficient algos out there? Would it be that they're looking to be even more inclusive still?

And the anonymity bit, I mean, get off it. That will never fly long term. What regulator is going to allow that? And why wouldn't you want your name stamped on your money anyway? It's mine, and I want it to say so - especially if it's robbed so I can get it back (but that's another issue, for another day - we've got to take baby steps, one at a time  Wink ).

You are confusing user base with miner base I think. Not all users are interesting in mining, nor would a non technical person be able to mine with a CPU/gpu. ASICs on the other hand can be largely plug and play.

And I disagree on the efficiency point. I think it's very important for the longevity of Digibyte. There was the beginnings of a big backlash against bitcoin just before ASICs came to market due to the massive power usage & while their network still uses a huge amount of power it's certainly not as much as it would be with gpus. And CPU mining is just asking for a botnet attack if the coins value ever takes off enough for a hacker to think it worthwhile. 
Power efficiency encourages network growth, whereas the high electricity bill for gpus actually discourages it because miners need a much larger margin to make it worth their while. That margin is basically just waste (or extra money for fossil fuel burning power plants. Not very Eco friendly and not a good look IMO)

Also, pointing things out is good and very helpful. You did a good service there.  Trolling hard for pages at a time (even to the point where you said you're done and goodbye - then back a few posts later mind) is not a positive thing. If you really are part of this community please respectfully tone it down a bit. Thx.
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So many people don't understand this, it blows my mind. Gpus can only go so far, even with x11/qrk and the like.

Think of GPUs as though they are people. That's your user base. The argument behind ASIC resistant is not to fight efficiency, rather it is to support a widely distributed user base. Everyone has a computer (well, not everyone, but you get the idea) and they are multitasking (that's why "everyone" has one). ASICs are specialized, and, by definition, your average man on the street will never have one (they can't do other practical things that the average man wants), and that means that you say goodbye to universal adoption, as in KYSGB.

Efficiency is good, but not at the cost of your widely distributed user base, that is if you want to survive.

Why do you think so much emphasis is being given to CPU mining by those energy efficient algos out there? Would it be that they're looking to be even more inclusive still?

And the anonymity bit, I mean, get off it. That will never fly long term. What regulator is going to allow that? And why wouldn't you want your name stamped on your money anyway? It's mine, and I want it to say so - especially if it's robbed so I can get it back (but that's another issue, for another day - we've got to take baby steps, one at a time  Wink ).



AHH AHH AHH in the 1900's Oil lamp users had a HUGE user base...20 yrs later, not many ppl used em. In 1900 flying from point A to point B was impossible.. now you cant look up w/o seeing an airplane almost. 15 Years ago, talking on a phone in your car was a pipe dream.. now we have them in our pockets. Do not discount technology ever. This IS business, not some get rich quick scheeme.
How the hell are oil lamps and planes related to cryptocoin hashing? You compare apples and oranges, seriously.  Roll Eyes

Easily.. technological improvements. DGB has practically HANDED coins in ABUNDANCE to gpu miners for 5+ months, that is what I call 'SUPPORTING THE USER BASE', times change, technology improves, and the WISE miner will have ALL technologies to mine, the get rich quick , tin foil hat people will sit and wait and wait and hope and hope..meanwhile the DEV is out there, in the real world trying to make things happen for the benifit of all interested for tomorrow. In many cases scrypt asics are cheaper to buy than GPU's if you look @ it in a MH pr/dollar  or even MH pr/kwh basis.
Amen. We realize the relationships we are cementing right now and connections being made in this deal are going to benifit DigiByte long term and the entire Crypto world. But more importantly help advance dectralized banking in order to put it in the hands of the masses and change the world for the better.
 
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Scrypt ASICs may be available at less than the cost of many GPUs these days, but as an equipment investment, the option to sell off Scrypt ASICs is limited due to the market for them being extremely niched.

ASICs as far as price and availability goes is a hit and miss from my observation over time - resulting in considerable risk. If you get one at the right time, maybe your successful...

I'm glad I invested in GPUs honestly. I've been able to learn about cryptos. I've avoided over-capitalizing, I've made a little money, and I still have the option of selling the GPUs on to the gamers market.

As an OEM builder with previous corporate connections to AMD, I never overclocked GPUs for faster hash rates. Instead I focused on drivers, code and parameter optimization while running hardware at 80% load to make the difference in performance. Operating expense cost for the hashing has been offset by using Solar.

I lot of people have been screwed waiting for ASICs!
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So many people don't understand this, it blows my mind. Gpus can only go so far, even with x11/qrk and the like.
Think of GPUs as though they are people. That's your user base. The argument behind ASIC resistant is not to fight efficiency, rather it is to support a widely distributed user base. Everyone has a computer (well, not everyone, but you get the idea) and they are multitasking (that's why "everyone" has one). ASICs are specialized, and, by definition, your average man on the street will never have one (they can't do other practical things that the average man wants), and that means that you say goodbye to universal adoption, as in KYSGB.
Efficiency is good, but not at the cost of your widely distributed user base, that is if you want to survive.
Why do you think so much emphasis is being given to CPU mining by those energy efficient algos out there? Would it be that they're looking to be even more inclusive still?
And the anonymity bit, I mean, get off it. That will never fly long term. What regulator is going to allow that? And why wouldn't you want your name stamped on your money anyway? It's mine, and I want it to say so - especially if it's robbed so I can get it back (but that's another issue, for another day - we've got to take baby steps, one at a time  Wink ).
AHH AHH AHH in the 1900's Oil lamp users had a HUGE user base...20 yrs later, not many ppl used em. In 1900 flying from point A to point B was impossible.. now you cant look up w/o seeing an airplane almost. 15 Years ago, talking on a phone in your car was a pipe dream.. now we have them in our pockets. Do not discount technology ever. This IS business, not some get rich quick scheeme.
How the hell are oil lamps and planes related to cryptocoin hashing? You compare apples and oranges, seriously.  Roll Eyes
Easily.. technological improvements. DGB has practically HANDED coins in ABUNDANCE to gpu miners for 5+ months, that is what I call 'SUPPORTING THE USER BASE', times change, technology improves, and the WISE miner will have ALL technologies to mine, the get rich quick , tin foil hat people will sit and wait and wait and hope and hope..meanwhile the DEV is out there, in the real world trying to make things happen for the benifit of all interested for tomorrow. In many cases scrypt asics are cheaper to buy than GPU's if you look @ it in a MH pr/dollar  or even MH pr/kwh basis.

You, as many people, are making a primary mistake in your understanding of the issue.

More Hash !== More Security.

More Distributed Hash == More Security.

Doesn't matter what the total hash is; the comparison is about Proportion, not magnitude.

The concern with A.S.I.C. resistance is about keeping a network distributed.
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So many people don't understand this, it blows my mind. Gpus can only go so far, even with x11/qrk and the like.

Think of GPUs as though they are people. That's your user base. The argument behind ASIC resistant is not to fight efficiency, rather it is to support a widely distributed user base. Everyone has a computer (well, not everyone, but you get the idea) and they are multitasking (that's why "everyone" has one). ASICs are specialized, and, by definition, your average man on the street will never have one (they can't do other practical things that the average man wants), and that means that you say goodbye to universal adoption, as in KYSGB.

Efficiency is good, but not at the cost of your widely distributed user base, that is if you want to survive.

Why do you think so much emphasis is being given to CPU mining by those energy efficient algos out there? Would it be that they're looking to be even more inclusive still?

And the anonymity bit, I mean, get off it. That will never fly long term. What regulator is going to allow that? And why wouldn't you want your name stamped on your money anyway? It's mine, and I want it to say so - especially if it's robbed so I can get it back (but that's another issue, for another day - we've got to take baby steps, one at a time  Wink ).



AHH AHH AHH in the 1900's Oil lamp users had a HUGE user base...20 yrs later, not many ppl used em. In 1900 flying from point A to point B was impossible.. now you cant look up w/o seeing an airplane almost. 15 Years ago, talking on a phone in your car was a pipe dream.. now we have them in our pockets. Do not discount technology ever. This IS business, not some get rich quick scheeme.
How the hell are oil lamps and planes related to cryptocoin hashing? You compare apples and oranges, seriously.  Roll Eyes

Easily.. technological improvements. DGB has practically HANDED coins in ABUNDANCE to gpu miners for 5+ months, that is what I call 'SUPPORTING THE USER BASE', times change, technology improves, and the WISE miner will have ALL technologies to mine, the get rich quick , tin foil hat people will sit and wait and wait and hope and hope..meanwhile the DEV is out there, in the real world trying to make things happen for the benifit of all interested for tomorrow. In many cases scrypt asics are cheaper to buy than GPU's if you look @ it in a MH pr/dollar  or even MH pr/kwh basis.
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So many people don't understand this, it blows my mind. Gpus can only go so far, even with x11/qrk and the like.

Think of GPUs as though they are people. That's your user base. The argument behind ASIC resistant is not to fight efficiency, rather it is to support a widely distributed user base. Everyone has a computer (well, not everyone, but you get the idea) and they are multitasking (that's why "everyone" has one). ASICs are specialized, and, by definition, your average man on the street will never have one (they can't do other practical things that the average man wants), and that means that you say goodbye to universal adoption, as in KYSGB.

Efficiency is good, but not at the cost of your widely distributed user base, that is if you want to survive.

Why do you think so much emphasis is being given to CPU mining by those energy efficient algos out there? Would it be that they're looking to be even more inclusive still?

And the anonymity bit, I mean, get off it. That will never fly long term. What regulator is going to allow that? And why wouldn't you want your name stamped on your money anyway? It's mine, and I want it to say so - especially if it's robbed so I can get it back (but that's another issue, for another day - we've got to take baby steps, one at a time  Wink ).



AHH AHH AHH in the 1900's Oil lamp users had a HUGE user base...20 yrs later, not many ppl used em. In 1900 flying from point A to point B was impossible.. now you cant look up w/o seeing an airplane almost. 15 Years ago, talking on a phone in your car was a pipe dream.. now we have them in our pockets. Do not discount technology ever. This IS business, not some get rich quick scheeme.
How the hell are oil lamps and planes related to cryptocoin hashing? You compare apples and oranges, seriously.  Roll Eyes
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So many people don't understand this, it blows my mind. Gpus can only go so far, even with x11/qrk and the like.

Think of GPUs as though they are people. That's your user base. The argument behind ASIC resistant is not to fight efficiency, rather it is to support a widely distributed user base. Everyone has a computer (well, not everyone, but you get the idea) and they are multitasking (that's why "everyone" has one). ASICs are specialized, and, by definition, your average man on the street will never have one (they can't do other practical things that the average man wants), and that means that you say goodbye to universal adoption, as in KYSGB.

Efficiency is good, but not at the cost of your widely distributed user base, that is if you want to survive.

Why do you think so much emphasis is being given to CPU mining by those energy efficient algos out there? Would it be that they're looking to be even more inclusive still?

And the anonymity bit, I mean, get off it. That will never fly long term. What regulator is going to allow that? And why wouldn't you want your name stamped on your money anyway? It's mine, and I want it to say so - especially if it's robbed so I can get it back (but that's another issue, for another day - we've got to take baby steps, one at a time  Wink ).



AHH AHH AHH in the 1900's Oil lamp users had a HUGE user base...20 yrs later, not many ppl used em. In 1900 flying from point A to point B was impossible.. now you cant look up w/o seeing an airplane almost. 15 Years ago, talking on a phone in your car was a pipe dream.. now we have them in our pockets. Do not discount technology ever. This IS business, not some get rich quick scheeme.
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If Bitcoin had just experienced the same dramatic increase in hash rate all at once it could take a month to find the next block. DigiShield is working!
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HR, thank you once again for pointing things out.

We have definitely been hit very, very hard by multi-pools. You can't expect that not to happen when the price doubles over night. We are checking into more things as well. The network is still there and working but blocks are a bit sluggish. Once again we are doing everything we can to make DigiByte the best it can be!
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Another post based on hard data. The issue began after Feb. 22. and has PROGRESSIVELY gotten worse.

Since you haven't had time to read all these posts, I thought I'd repost this since it is quite important.

And you might want to go back and read the last few pages.  Wink


Check the data for the whole network. Not just one mining pool.


This is whole network data.

current block: 132,795

DGB released days 142 * 1440(24*60) = 204480

I haven't checked the data myself but you have to factor in the multipools attacks from a while ago. They caused a lot of blocks to be mined very slowly and would've totally thrown the total coins minted out of balance. Also, remember that the minting of coins isn't actually balanced by the system, only the difficulty factor.


You need to check the data yourself. If you look at the blockchain, you'll see that the issue began with the implementation of DigiShield, and has nothing to do with the multipool attacks. Block discovery was perfectly in line with DGB coding until Feb. 22, 2014. Take a look at the blockchain up to that date and divide by the number of days that DGB had been in existence. http://explorer.cryptopoolmining.com/chain/DigiByte

The issue began back then and has progressively gotten worse.


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I'm glad DGB has DigiShield. Otherwise one block would take a couple of days after such hashing spike.

With growing popularity more hashing power is coming automatically. However, hashing power alone is no indicator for safety. More important is the delta of hashrate of best mining hardware and average distributed hardware. So ASIC coins are more centralized and therefore I like CPU/GPU only coins more in terms of safety and fairness.
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We absolutely agree, everything can be fixed. Block times right now are the result of a massive influx of multi-pool hash that left to almost nothing. We were hit by almost every multi-pool all at once. This would kill off most other coins before DigiShield as it could take weeks to find the next block.

Can you check if the amount of coins generated over the months equals roughly what is expected with the algorithm and 60 seconds confirmation time?
It looks much lesser than it should be.
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1000+ physical retail stores?

Many people have said this before on this thread: with what? With a $583,662 market cap? (Based on theoretical coin supply and not the real coin supply after factoring in the block discovery issue.) http://coinmarketcap.com/ Who's going to fund those purchases and with what?  And that's not to mention a totally erratic confirm that can last up to more than an hour. Does that sound like something read to go primetime?

Give me a break. Got to get the coin right first.

The market cap at this point doesn't matter. Why would it? Please explain.

Confirm times right now does not matter, if there is a problem it's nothing that can't be fixed. It's not some kind of a fundamental problem you're making it out to be.
We absolutely agree, everything can be fixed. Block times right now are the result of a massive influx of multi-pool hash that left to almost nothing. We were hit by almost every multi-pool all at once. This would kill off most other coins before DigiShield as it could take weeks to find the next block.
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Many people have said this before on this thread: with what? With a $583,662 market cap? (Based on theoretical coin supply and not the real coin supply after factoring in the block discovery issue.) http://coinmarketcap.com/ Who's going to fund those purchases and with what?  And that's not to mention a totally erratic confirm that can last up to more than an hour. Does that sound like something read to go primetime?

Give me a break. Got to get the coin right first.

The market cap at this point doesn't matter. Why would it? Please explain.

Confirm times right now does not matter, if there is a problem it's nothing that can't be fixed. It's not some kind of a fundamental problem you're making it out to be.
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