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Price will never be organic as long as the industrial miners are allowed to mine.

The only way to fight that is to eliminate SHA & SCRYPT and be prepared to keep changing the others (algorithms) every time a new one becomes ASIC mineable.  This is not too hard to do, it just means committing to (potentially) regular hard forks although in practice since the development time for ASICs is quite long and costly it would not be that often.  

Furthermore I personally think if this is done it would also make sense to revert to a single GPU/CPU algorithm.  The multi-algorithm approach doesn't really bring enough advantages (IMO) for the added complexity and confusion it causes.  I personally think that the switch to multi-algo has actually been detrimental to DGB - although it seemed like a good idea at the time.  The only other coin that used multiple algos, MYRIAD, is basically dead and I don't think that is a coincidence.  People like to know how much mining is costing them and this approach makes these calculations much more opaque and difficult to do.

The blocks times will not be as good as they are with multi-algo compared with single algo. I agree that reason price is low and will stay low is because of SHA and Scrypt multi pools but this will only be a issue for next 4 years. Also no point pumping price because it will be dumped back down again.

Right! the question is: what is the prime purpose, high pricing and gains or  stability and usability. Its very easy to bring out a coin mine it pump it and let it die. But if the goal is long term usability you need supply. Otherwise the price will be a rollercoaster when adoption starts, the only investors you attract then are daytraders.
Everyone that invests in DGB invests in a coin that has a usage pupose, that said price is irrelevant at the moment. The more miners you attract the more security you bring to the chain so multialgo served that purpose. Sure security can be further improved by changing some parameters and probably will be changed. Price will level out  to a point where supply and demand meet. That's a general market priciple that is often overruled by greed.

 

My only concern is from watching a video posted on guldencoin ANN where presenter says he expect 1000s of new currencies a day to be created and I just hope market doesn't get saturated to where currencies with lots of coins lose out. It's very easy to create coin but not easy to make coin useful and why I see many of same people buying DGB and NLG. I think the people with the brains are investing in these two coins while the rest are in for pump and dump trading.
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Price will never be organic as long as the industrial miners are allowed to mine.

The only way to fight that is to eliminate SHA & SCRYPT and be prepared to keep changing the others (algorithms) every time a new one becomes ASIC mineable.  This is not too hard to do, it just means committing to (potentially) regular hard forks although in practice since the development time for ASICs is quite long and costly it would not be that often.  

Furthermore I personally think if this is done it would also make sense to revert to a single GPU/CPU algorithm.  The multi-algorithm approach doesn't really bring enough advantages (IMO) for the added complexity and confusion it causes.  I personally think that the switch to multi-algo has actually been detrimental to DGB - although it seemed like a good idea at the time.  The only other coin that used multiple algos, MYRIAD, is basically dead and I don't think that is a coincidence.  People like to know how much mining is costing them and this approach makes these calculations much more opaque and difficult to do.

The blocks times will not be as good as they are with multi-algo compared with single algo. I agree that reason price is low and will stay low is because of SHA and Scrypt multi pools but this will only be a issue for next 4 years. Also no point pumping price because it will be dumped back down again.

Right! the question is: what is the prime purpose, high pricing and gains or  stability and usability. Its very easy to bring out a coin mine it pump it and let it die. But if the goal is long term usability you need supply. Otherwise the price will be a rollercoaster when adoption starts, the only investors you attract then are daytraders.
Everyone that invests in DGB invests in a coin that has a usage pupose, that said price is irrelevant at the moment. The more miners you attract the more security you bring to the chain so multialgo served that purpose. Sure security can be further improved by changing some parameters and probably will be changed. Price will level out  to a point where supply and demand meet. That's a general market priciple that is often overruled by greed on the short term.

 
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Price will never be organic as long as the industrial miners are allowed to mine.
The only other coin that used multiple algos, MYRIAD, is basically dead and I don't think that is a coincidence.

After the euphoric phase, it's no coincidence that DGB has come back down to MYR levels. Being that they are both highly exposed to sha and scrypt, it's not only not surprising, it's to be expected if my thesis is correct that the issue is industrial sha and scrypt mining. Long term averages are what the are, and when you look at coinwarz AND PLUG IN REAL FIGURES, DGB and MYR are among the most profitble using sha and scrypt (MYR anyway - they still haven't upgraded DGB so you have to compare DGB with MYR on whattomine.com in the other algos since whattomine doesn't have sha - or just do it in your own).

BTW, it looks like Digitalcoin has gone multi algo too, so we have another canary in the coal mine to watch.
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qubit miners are the ones rubbing their hands together with glee,as it looks to me. I don't know, but maybe it could even be mined profitably using cloud services.

A few weeks ago I tried qubit ... just for fun.  I didn't get nearly the same rewards as with my scrypt rig.  But, I have a nice scrypt rig - so maybe I'm just spoiled.
I was thinking in terms of power use really.
http://www.whattomine.com/coins?utf8=%E2%9C%93&scryptf=true&factor[scrypt_hash_rate]=1000.0&factor[scrypt_power]=380.0&qk=true&factor[qk_hr]=15.34&factor[qk_p]=266.0&cha17f=true&factor[cha17_hr]=60.0&factor[cha17_p]=228&cha16f=true&factor[cha16_hr]=400.0&factor[cha16_p]=228&x11f=true&factor[x11_hr]=5600.0&factor[x11_p]=266.0&x13f=true&factor[x13_hr]=4000.0&factor[x13_p]=266.0&cn=true&factor[cn_hr]=640.0&factor[cn_p]=304.0&adapt=true&factor[cost]=0.1&commit=Calculate&sort=Profitability24&volume=&revenue=24h&keccakf=true&factor[keccak_hr]=480.0&factor[keccak_p]=304.0&grof=true&factor[gro_hr]=15.0&factor[gro_p]=228.0&wx=true&factor[wx_hr]=130&factor[wx_p]=228&ns=true&factor[ns_hr]=410&factor[ns_p]=228&lre=true&factor[lre_hr]=1150.0&factor[lre_p]=228.0&qb=true&factor[qb_hr]=16.85&factor[qb_p]=266.0
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Price will never be organic as long as the industrial miners are allowed to mine.

The only way to fight that is to eliminate SHA & SCRYPT and be prepared to keep changing the others (algorithms) every time a new one becomes ASIC mineable.  This is not too hard to do, it just means committing to (potentially) regular hard forks although in practice since the development time for ASICs is quite long and costly it would not be that often.  

Furthermore I personally think if this is done it would also make sense to revert to a single GPU/CPU algorithm.  The multi-algorithm approach doesn't really bring enough advantages (IMO) for the added complexity and confusion it causes.  I personally think that the switch to multi-algo has actually been detrimental to DGB - although it seemed like a good idea at the time.  The only other coin that used multiple algos, MYRIAD, is basically dead and I don't think that is a coincidence.  People like to know how much mining is costing them and this approach makes these calculations much more opaque and difficult to do.

The blocks times will not be as good as they are with multi-algo compared with single algo. I agree that reason price is low and will stay low is because of SHA and Scrypt multi pools but this will only be a issue for next 4 years. Also no point pumping price because it will be dumped back down again.
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Thanks to everyone who has already posted and sent messages regarding the DGB Gaming Wallet press release.  The press release has been a very successful project.

I'm happy to announce that the press release was published today on CoinDesk: http://www.coindesk.com/press-releases/digital-currency-online-gaming-digibyte-wallet/

The people at CoinDesk were great - gracious, helpful, and supportive.  Please show them some love by using those social media links (they add those to every press release).  Share it, like it, etc..

I want to extend my personal thanks to everyone who contributed to the project: frottirzokni, 24hralttrade, benjamoyne, CryptoRaver, Eric, and 4 anonymous contributions. We have such a great DGB community.  we raised over 700,000 DGB from community contributions, and I'm also happy to announce that we will be able to return approximately 25% of the contributions.  The unused DGB will be divided proportionally based on the percent of your original contribution and returned (probably tomorrow or Friday at the latest).

We have lots to celebrate with all the good news and ongoing DGB development.  Not only the press release for the DGB Gaming Wallet, but the upcoming video announcements, ongoing development, and exceptional community support for DigiByte.

Thanks to all of you.

Cheers,

Eric


That's one Bad Ass write up! Will the person who wrote that please stand up and take a bow?


And with all that DigiByte is, how in the world can it be trading at 26 SAT  Huh  Huh  Huh


I think we'd better take a real good hard look at just who is capable of mining and selling at those levels and then addressing the issue as directly and decisively as possible (putting another feather in DGB's cap at the same time). Let's just do it. It's a real issue that must be addressed and the sooner the better.

Cheers, and, again, who wrote that?!?!?!?!

Great job!


I forgot to mention how professional the press release write up was. Thanks for doing such a wonderful job! (I suspect Eric).
legendary
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Price will never be organic as long as the industrial miners are allowed to mine.

The only way to fight that is to eliminate SHA & SCRYPT and be prepared to keep changing the others (algorithms) every time a new one becomes ASIC mineable.  This is not too hard to do, it just means committing to (potentially) regular hard forks although in practice since the development time for ASICs is quite long and costly it would not be that often.  

Furthermore I personally think if this is done it would also make sense to revert to a single GPU/CPU algorithm.  The multi-algorithm approach doesn't really bring enough advantages (IMO) for the added complexity and confusion it causes.  I personally think that the switch to multi-algo has actually been detrimental to DGB - although it seemed like a good idea at the time.  The only other coin that used multiple algos, MYRIAD, is basically dead and I don't think that is a coincidence.  People like to know how much mining is costing them and this approach makes these calculations much more opaque and difficult to do.
sr. member
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qubit miners are the ones rubbing their hands together with glee,as it looks to me. I don't know, but maybe it could even be mined profitably using cloud services.

A few weeks ago I tried qubit ... just for fun.  I didn't get nearly the same rewards as with my scrypt rig.  But, I have a nice scrypt rig - so maybe I'm just spoiled.
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Seems like much too large of a community to see the price down so low, no?
yes and no. Nobody is too keen to push the price up while so much dgb appears to be being dumped at market. We would rather buy up what is being dumped at silly prices, I guess.

Price will never be organic as long as the industrial miners are allowed to mine. It's the epitome of fact confirming theory- centralization doesn't work in a decentralized world.
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Perhaps if DGB had some form of anonymous transactions it might help to raise it's profile, particularly if it used a different method to the current anonymous coins like DASH (still the worst name ever) or Monero.
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qubit miners are the ones rubbing their hands together with glee,as it looks to me. I don't know, but maybe it could even be mined profitably using cloud services.

The math doesn't lie. All the algos have extremely similar, to not say identical over the long term, mining returns. There's no difference.

The only people who are making money mining (and who are legit) are people with the kinds of mining costs that Icelanders have, and if your costs are next to zero and DGB is much more profitable than BTC, then you turn those miners on DGB.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-25/trip-through-bitcoin-mines
legendary
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Seems like much too large of a community to see the price down so low, no?
yes and no. Nobody is too keen to push the price up while so much dgb appears to be being dumped at market. We would rather buy up what is being dumped at silly prices, I guess.
legendary
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Seems like much too large of a community to see the price down so low, no?
legendary
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qubit miners are the ones rubbing their hands together with glee,as it looks to me. I don't know, but maybe it could even be mined profitably using cloud services.
HR
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And with all that DigiByte is, how in the world can it be trading at 26 SAT  Huh  Huh  Huh

Nobody is interested on digibytes, thats a fact. you can also generate all 21 billion in one step and distribute free of charge, that is the same as now. this would be more environmentally friendly.

If you were a circus clown.
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And with all that DigiByte is, how in the world can it be trading at 26 SAT  Huh  Huh  Huh

Nobody is interested on digibytes, thats a fact. you can also generate all 21 billion in one step and distribute free of charge, that is the same as now. this would be more environmentally friendly.
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I've got a rough draft . . . that's a little bit different from what I originally mentioned - I wasn't able to develop a list of 10, in fact, I had to drop 2 of my initial 7 and couldn't get beyond 5, and they're the only coins I would currently be involved in.

http://asistec-ti.com/tba/originalemail.htm

Let me know what you think. Please pick it apart and be as critical as you can (with both the e-mail and the related updates and additional materials on the website). Have no mercy. It's in all of our interests!

I'm going to be "out of the office" until the end of the week - so time you've got - and then I hope to begin sending it out either by the weekend or early next week at the latest.


Edit: I've added a new thread on the forum for comments if you think you might end up cluttering here. http://asistec-ti.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=6 Remember that you can send me a PM as well. TIA


Estimated Long Term Appreciation Potential... how long term is this, 10 year, 25 year, 100 year? Looks over optimistic in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of the coin choices with Digibyte being the one with the largest potential but 50000 to 1?
Other remark, logo and website look like they ran away from the late 80s early 90s, maybe freshen them up a bit Wink

Nevertheless, appreciate what you're doing, keep up the great work!

As for the Digibyte promotion you guys really need to learn how "to stunt" Remember the Doge nascar car? That's how you get media attention... I've seen DGB team is trying to raise funds to get the word out on cryptocoinnews and coindesk, does this mean the DGB team is actually broke and doesn't even have 200$ to spend anymore?

DGB has it all tech wise to become a leader, what it lacks imho is a sponsor to put this brilliant coin into the spotlight. DGB deserves mainstream attention, lots of it!


Hi TenaciousC.  I want to second the official response made by DigiByte above.

I assume you are referring to The DigiByte Group in your post when you refer to "raising some funds" and "getting the word out."  The DigiByte Group https://digibytegroup.com/ is a community organization.  We work to promote and develop DGB in any way that we can (through social media, through CoinDesk press releases and advertising, and with other non-fundraising projects).

If you look at the DigiByte Group FAQ (on the "About Us" page), you will see that we are a community organization, not formally affiliated with the with the DigiByte Development team (in any business way), and we do not attempt to influence or otherwise manipulate the direction of DGB development.  The DigiByte Group is community driven and community funded. Reading further on that page you will also see that we never use contributions for any purpose other than the stated project, and we never profit from community contributions.

If you remember, the DOGE funding of Josh Wise in NASCAR was also a community project.  They raised at least $55,000 in community contributions.  That money was not paid by the DOGE development team or from their development budget.  It was contributed by members of the DOGE community.

I would love to eventually have projects at that scale done through the DigiByte Group.  And, we have a great community - so I'm sure that eventually we will be able to do so.  However, we are starting a bit smaller and we are working up to bigger projects.  And, we do have a few ideas for the future ...  In the short term, I hope to be able to begin monthly DGB community challenges/contests very soon.

I have 100% confidence in the management and development of DigiByte.  They're working, developing, and doing exactly what they should be to position DGB as a leader.  I plan to continue our work with the DigiByte Group to continue to support them, however possible, and continue to work with our great DGB community.

If you, or anyone else, has any other questions about The DigiByte Group, or would like any additional information.  Please feel free to send me a PM.

Cheers,

Eric


Sounds great, thanks for taking the time to clarify this!
DGB is surrounded by so many good professional and capable people, it keeps on amazing me we're still trading this coin under 500 sat... hence we're not even at a 10th of that atm Sad

Personally I hold several BTC worth of DGB and I'll continue to buy more at these prices, long term this is a no brainer, great profit is to be made!
HR
legendary
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Thanks to everyone who has already posted and sent messages regarding the DGB Gaming Wallet press release.  The press release has been a very successful project.

I'm happy to announce that the press release was published today on CoinDesk: http://www.coindesk.com/press-releases/digital-currency-online-gaming-digibyte-wallet/

The people at CoinDesk were great - gracious, helpful, and supportive.  Please show them some love by using those social media links (they add those to every press release).  Share it, like it, etc..

I want to extend my personal thanks to everyone who contributed to the project: frottirzokni, 24hralttrade, benjamoyne, CryptoRaver, Eric, and 4 anonymous contributions. We have such a great DGB community.  we raised over 700,000 DGB from community contributions, and I'm also happy to announce that we will be able to return approximately 25% of the contributions.  The unused DGB will be divided proportionally based on the percent of your original contribution and returned (probably tomorrow or Friday at the latest).

We have lots to celebrate with all the good news and ongoing DGB development.  Not only the press release for the DGB Gaming Wallet, but the upcoming video announcements, ongoing development, and exceptional community support for DigiByte.

Thanks to all of you.

Cheers,

Eric


That's one Bad Ass write up! Will the person who wrote that please stand up and take a bow?


And with all that DigiByte is, how in the world can it be trading at 26 SAT  Huh  Huh  Huh


I think we'd better take a real good hard look at just who is capable of mining and selling at those levels and then addressing the issue as directly and decisively as possible (putting another feather in DGB's cap at the same time). Let's just do it. It's a real issue that must be addressed and the sooner the better.

Cheers, and, again, who wrote that?!?!?!?!

Great job!
HR
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