Repaying what exactly? He never actually took anything (other than advantage of other people who trusted him)
You would make a terrible bookie.Yeah, I wouldn't have the stomach for the violence
Topic: Discussion about 10,000BTC Bet (Official) (Read 104471 times)
Yeah, I wouldn't have the stomach for the violence
Repaying what exactly? He never actually took anything (other than advantage of other people who trusted him)
You would make a terrible bookie.
Iwish I hadn't stopped posting on these forums so I could know wtf is UP!
So he still logs in:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matthew-n-wright-24749
Plans on repaying or what?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matthew-n-wright-24749
Plans on repaying or what?
Repaying what exactly? He never actually took anything (other than advantage of other people who trusted him)
So he still logs in:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matthew-n-wright-24749
Plans on repaying or what?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matthew-n-wright-24749
Plans on repaying or what?
Just keep telling your kid next week. 
So I bet 10 BTC on this and never got paid??
When can I expect to get paid?
??
When can I expect to get paid?
??It's coming. Stop pestering people about it. As we know, pestering causes delays.
Sorry, It's just that I promised my kid I'd take him to Chuckie Cheese once we got the money, he keeps going on and on about it and asking me when we are going.. *sighs*..
So I bet 10 BTC on this and never got paid??
When can I expect to get paid???
When can I expect to get paid?
??It's coming. Stop pestering people about it. As we know, pestering causes delays.
So I bet 10 BTC on this and never got paid??
When can I expect to get paid???
When can I expect to get paid?
??I really do hope this is a troll post
So I bet 10 BTC on this and never got paid??
When can I expect to get paid???
When can I expect to get paid?
?? 
I was merely pointing out that since the entire 'investment' and bet with matthew were made using bitcoin and the US government does not regulate bitcoin, the cops aren't going to do a damn thing about it.
This has been pointed out many many times before, but you must have missed it:
Are bricks considered money? Does government regulate bricks? If someone happened to steal $5,000,000 worth of bricks, do you think the government would just laugh it off, because it's not money and is not regulated, and will ignore the theft?
Do you think that for anything to be considered legal theft, the item stolen must have government regulations?
And if I 'invest' a million dollars worth of manure or bricks or another analog of your choice into a high risk scheme not knowing how the interest is paid or where the extra manure comes from, do you think the government will do ANYTHING when the shit hits the fan and the person on the receiving end of the deposit goes dark? The point was this: If someone actually stole money, you could call the cops. They would do an investigation, and you may or may not get your money back. If you invest the same money into a legitimate company and they go belly up, you're fucked. You can call the cops, but they aren't going to be able to get your money back. If you signed a contract stating that you are knowingly investing in a high risk scheme and that you acknowledge the risk, you're double fucked. If you hand that same money to a guy on the street who tells you that he will come right back with your original money plus 7 percent a week, but he can't tell you where the 7 percent is coming from or prove to you who he is or where he is located or what business he is in or any number of other questions a prudent investor should ask, then calling the cops when he doesn't come back is going to be, well, good luck with that. Now throw into the mix a cryptocurrency that is pseudo-anonymous, unregulated, and not legal tender, and your good luck just flew out the window. Once again, "waaahhh, the internet guy stole my WoW gold!"
You think Ponzi schemes using Liberty Reserve (non-legal tender Costa Rican "internet money") are not investigated? That's patently false.
That said, you're right no one is likely to get anything back (in large part because the nature of a Ponzi scheme means it was ludicrously undercapitalized).
It's laughable that people want to sue MNW for basically being a jerk.
We can sue people for being jerks now? Sweet!
Really? Apple is my first target. Then my neighbor, fuck you jerry.
Does George live there too ?
It's laughable that people want to sue MNW for basically being a jerk.
We can sue people for being jerks now? Sweet!
Really? Apple is my first target. Then my neighbor, fuck you jerry.
It's laughable that people want to sue MNW for basically being a jerk.
We can sue people for being jerks now? Sweet!
It's laughable that people want to sue MNW for basically being a jerk.
~DonShrents
All the info one needs to ID the poster.
I kinda doubt it is Pirate but a troll pretending to be one. I would bet it is Matthew before I would bet it is pirate.
Yes. I am a troll. A troll who is leading the charge against Trendon Shavers with new information and actual contact to his family.
If you think that I am against you (hint: I AM ON YOUR SIDE) then you don't belong in this fight, as your Forum Skills are lacking to a degree that puts you below newb status.
Perhaps you should pay closer attention and look at my recent posts, then look at who is backing me up and already knows my true identity.
~DonShrents
Not a troll, and am privileged to know his true ID. I'm also privileged to know one of Matthew's sockpockets.
All my private PM's will be kept secret, but will consider 100 BTC from anybody who's interested.
Full Disclosure: I have released into the wild a couple of my mundane PM's (thread), but if I get bored with that, I may release the more private ones at a later date (not serious). You wouldn't believe the things that Maria wanted me to do. ~Bruno~
Has anybody considered to sue MNW for fraud? I'm certainly considering it and am currently investigating how to make this happen...
Well, if you want to throw away another $500, and on an international lawsuit that will likely get nowhere, go for it.
Has anybody considered to sue MNW for fraud? I'm certainly considering it and am currently investigating how to make this happen...
Suing Matthew is like suing a child. Would u sleep well if u won?
Has anybody considered to sue MNW for fraud? I'm certainly considering it and am currently investigating how to make this happen...
The fuck are the cops gonna do about it?
The fuck are you gonna do about it else?
Plead and whine at the scammer while assuring him you are not going to the authorities? Fail.
Another question: what harm will do cops do (assuming you aren't involved with this scam)?
Yeah, I must be involved with the scam... derp. I was merely pointing out that since the entire 'investment' and bet with matthew were made using bitcoin and the US government does not regulate bitcoin, the cops aren't going to do a damn thing about it. I imagine it would be much like some ten year old kid calling 911 saying that some guy on the internet just stole all his WoW gold, the cop laughing, and then returning to his dunkin's. You might have luck in a civil lawsuit, but even that is unprecedented. I believe the first bitcoin lawsuit is in litigation atm, and that was for breach of contract. I don't know what the original contract terms were for btcst, if someone could link it that would be helpful. It seems that I remember someone saying that there was a statement made about high risk, blah blah blah you might lose everything, etc. so I don't think there are grounds for breach of contract. Please disregard this if there is some glaring error in logic, but it seems air-tight to me.
The glaring errors:
Many things are not regulated, yet theft or fraud involving them is criminal. If someone steals apples worth 100000$, there does not need to be a law regulating the apples.
There have been convictions about game money already.
And last: I never accused you specifically of being involved, I just limited my statement of no harm done to the victims. Curious about how many people claim to be victims, but seem to fear the authorities.
I guess the breach of contract in the btcst cause is about lying about how profits were made, or rather not made, ponzi style.
The difference between apples and currency is that apples are a much less universal representation of value.
Hence you can yield currency in much more powerfull ways than apples and with that power comes a whole lot of new responsibilities.
But when you understand human nature you can understand that most people are not very proficient at using such power responsibly.
Before you know it regulation will seem the only sane way to have a currency system at all.
Granted, apples are a different value store, BUT:
Off topic and strawmen argument. Does not explain at all why bitcoin should be exempt from criminal law regarding theft and fraud.
Asserting bitcoins are a law free zone is really harmful to the bitcoin community. It fosters an environment which invites scammers, and makes life hard for honest competition. So my stance is, everyone rejecting any involvement of authorities under all circumstances is harming the project as much as the scammers do.
I never claimed that bitcoin should stay lawless.
All i'm saying is you can't compare apples to bitcoins.
If anything i'd say that bitcoin requires more than simple theft laws.
As i said bitcoin is a more powerfull tool than apples and should be embedded in society as such.
And that propably means that it's use needs to be somehow controlled to prevent abuse of the power they can give someone.
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