Discussion needed: xtraelv and Lafu activities - page 2.

suchmoon

legendary

Activity: 3654

Merit: 8909

https://bpip.org

Quote from: mdayonliner on May 20, 2018, 05:19:44 AM

I would like to discuss, if my justification was wrong or right?

Wrong.

You should not rely on merit alone to make the conclusions you're making. If you have other proof that they're alts then you have a case. Sending or receiving merit is not proof of anything.

Having said that, it's up to you how you want to use your neg feedback.

xtraelv

legendary

Activity: 1288

Merit: 1926

฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

Quote from: Lauda on May 20, 2018, 07:57:44 AM

Quote from: xtraelv on May 20, 2018, 07:38:46 AM

The merit message said they could expire so I gave them to the person I found most deserving.
-snip-

Nobody in their right mind who looks into the relevant posts is going to believe this.

They weren't for just particular posts. The merits are not something that I find particularly relevant. I had them - it warned not to keep them. So I gave them to the person I found deserving of them. For the general contribution to helping out people on here.

One post was for announcement that addressed the most critical issue affecting users at the time.
One post was for an announcement that users had been looking forward the most. (endless "when is the doge market re-opening" questions)
One post is just a general post I merited because I had points and didn't want them to expire .

I've looked at "sMerit" three times since March. I gave them out when I saw that I had them.

Look at Lafu's total merit points - why would he care one bit whether he got 19 points from me or not ?

This nonsense is a storm in a teacup. I didn't even know Cryptodevil had given me merit until yesterday. I couldn't care less about receiving merits.

Lauda

legendary

Activity: 2674

Merit: 2965

Terminated.

Quote from: xtraelv on May 20, 2018, 07:38:46 AM

The merit message said they could expire so I gave them to the person I found most deserving.
-snip-

Nobody in their right mind who looks into the relevant posts is going to believe this.

xtraelv

legendary

Activity: 1288

Merit: 1926

฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

Quote from: Tyrantt on May 20, 2018, 07:12:07 AM

I'll be honest when I say that I'm not sure. This can very well be a situation of someone finding useful information. I don't see any pattern in merit trading (if there is any) and it's not that xtraelv's posts are complete nonsense. Also, since they're both in customer support, I do not think that post like these should deserve merit in any way, since they're just doing their job and should be receiving "merit" from their employers.

Now the same thing goes for [ANN] threads.

So my opinion is: They probably aren't doing merit trading on purpose or that those two alts are connected. But I do think that they're using merit as it is not intended to be used. Tho, I just as well may be wrong,

I didn't even know what "smerit " was or that I had it until March. Lafu helps out a lot of people on the forum for no reward in his own time. It said that smerits could expire in the future so I gave it to him. I didn't even know that he had given me merit until recently when I found out that merit existed. I don't even see what the big deal is. I couldn't care less about merit I receive.

The merit message said they could expire so I gave them to the person I found most deserving.

I didn't look into it - and having looked at the rules now - wouldn't change my decision.

The merits were given in full accordance to the rules: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/faq-everything-you-need-to-know-about-forum-activity-account-ranks-and-merit-2766177

Neither Lafu nor myself are "customer support" .We are both UNPAID volunteer moderators on Cryptopia - I have never met Lafu but I chat with him occasionally. We live 18000km apart on different sides of the planet.

Lafu helps users with problems on bitcointalk while I generally am involved in busting scams on here. As moderators we have some special priviliges, abilities and contacts to help people that have issues with the exchange. Neither of us have to be on here because generally Cryptopia ignores this "bitcointalk" forum because it is largely unmoderated and often has abusive people on it. So their staff doesn't generally post on here.

xtraelv

legendary

Activity: 1288

Merit: 1926

฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

Do not be fooled by this blackmailing spam clown.

Full explaination and blackmail scam accusation against mdayonliner has been made here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640

Tyrantt

hero member

Activity: 1022

Merit: 564

Need some spare btc for a new PC

I'll be honest when I say that I'm not sure. This can very well be a situation of someone finding useful information. I don't see any pattern in merit trading (if there is any) and it's not that xtraelv's posts are complete nonsense. Also, since they're both in customer support, I do not think that post like these should deserve merit in any way, since they're just doing their job and should be receiving "merit" from their employers.

Now the same thing goes for [ANN] threads.

So my opinion is: They probably aren't doing merit trading on purpose or that those two alts are connected. But I do think that they're using merit as it is not intended to be used. Tho, I just as well may be wrong,

mdayonliner

copper member

Activity: 630

Merit: 420

We are Bitcoin!

I have a merit abuser investigation topic. I do it voluntary, to support the forum value and to be dutiful to the forum. So far, I have 18 cases with 82 (I might be wrong for few, after all I am a human) abusers in the list including xtraelv and Lafu. I tag this merit abusers with a red trust, when I see 100% evidence of their merit abusing in my investigation. I also always keep a reference in my red trust.

I completely understand that my red trust means nothing since I am not a DT member however the goal is, to knock the merit abuser and aware them that they are abusing merit system. Once they admit and acknowledge then I remove the red trust with a neutral trust to keep a log for the future with a hope that the user has been warned. Here, I have one of the case...

Merit history snapshot for xtraelv and Lafu

Click here if unable to see image

10	https://prnt.sc/jjwniy	<=== Providing customer service for Cryptopia
2	https://prnt.sc/jjwnyx	<=== Providing another customer service for Cryptopia
7	https://prnt.sc/jjwo8a	<=== (?) Seriously?!!
---	---------------------------	-------------------------
19	Total sent for Personal Interest	¹ By xtraelv

2	https://prnt.sc/jk6wjr	<=== Providing customer service for Cryptopia
2	https://prnt.sc/jk6wt3	<=== (?)
20	https://prnt.sc/jk6x8k	Let's leave it out of equation, not enough evidence
2	https://prnt.sc/jk6xo1	<=== Providing customer service for Cryptopia
2	https://prnt.sc/jk6xyf	<=== Providing customer service for Cryptopia
2	https://prnt.sc/jk6yds	<=== Providing customer service for Cryptopia
3	https://prnt.sc/jk6yil	<=== Providing customer service for Cryptopia
---	---------------------------	-------------------------
13	Total sent for Personal Interest	¹ By Lafu, in other words xtraelv received

Is this how we should spend our sMerits? For personal interest¹?

I would like to discuss, if my justification was wrong or right?
(Both xtraelv and Lafu are abusing merit)

Quote from: theymos on January 24, 2018, 06:00:11 PM

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
- Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
- Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Quote from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/faq-everything-you-need-to-know-about-forum-activity-account-ranks-and-merit-2766177

Can I ask for merit?

There is no need to do this and this behaviour is usually seen as 'merit begging' which is frowned upon by the community and may lead to you receiving negative feedback. Keep making quality, constructive posts and you will surely be rewarded over time.

Can I sell merit?

Selling merit is disallowed.

Can I give merit to my alt accounts?

No, this is frowned upon and will almost certainly lead to you receiving negative feedback if discovered.

¹_{Can be ALT, can be favour (exchange), can be trading with money}

References:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36795713	<==== Original investigation
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.37797512	<==== Explaining his views are wrong
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640	<==== Scam Accusations Topic

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