[Discussion] Should Gambling be Banned? - page 3.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on August 05, 2022, 03:51:24 PM

When something is made illegal it is in fact banned. You didn't know that?
When you put out a law that anyone caught smoking weed will be prosecuted and jailed, this means weed is banned in that country.

IMO nothing should be banned. I'm against banning drugs, alcohol, prostitution, gambling... It should all be available for those who want. The law should punish only forcing people to be involved in these activities. Making false promises, stealing from people, rigging games should be punished, but if someone chooses to participate in it out of free will it's not up to the government to stop them.

If you didn't quote my reply and explain it then I wouldn't have notice that I did explained it wrong. I have headache right now and maybe that's the reason why I said it. Of course I know that when it is illegal meaning it is banned or prohibited to use. I can't do anything to stop a country from banning gambling or not then I have no choice but to follow. I'm sure many gambling businesses owners doesn't want gambling being banned.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on August 05, 2022, 03:28:24 PM

Some countries didn't ban gambling but rather making it illegal and whoever caught gambling will be put to prison.

When something is made illegal it is in fact banned. You didn't know that?
When you put out a law that anyone caught smoking weed will be prosecuted and jailed, this means weed is banned in that country.

IMO nothing should be banned. I'm against banning drugs, alcohol, prostitution, gambling... It should all be available for those who want. The law should punish only forcing people to be involved in these activities. Making false promises, stealing from people, rigging games should be punished, but if someone chooses to participate in it out of free will it's not up to the government to stop them.

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Some countries didn't ban gambling but rather making it illegal and whoever caught gambling will be put to prison. We all know what is gambling and why we can say that it is rigged is because our winning chance is very low since the result is not fixed or completely random generated. So, house would always win if you ask me but even if there's still a chance to win it won't be easy as counting 1 to 3. If you were successful to ban gambling yet there would always be a group of person who stil gamble even if it's illegal. We all experienced losing money and it is much better if we don't let it affect ourselves. It's business after all.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 05, 2022, 03:15:26 PM

Are people able to ban gambling completely? All the online and IRL places, including illegal? To tell where is the fine line between punch of people playing among each other for fun and a bunch of people playing same game to earn ? Why not instead of banning (the real reason to do is people addiction), create placer where people could recover from addiction. Or why not ban peanuts, because some people are allergic to it?

The answer is no. Just like when the United States banned the sale or alcohol during prohibition, it was a complete failure, and only made things worse. The same thing goes for the sale of marijuana, and thankfully the United States had mostly legalized both. Having legalized gambling has been a huge benefit to both people and the government/ tax dollars.

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Are people able to ban gambling completely? All the online and IRL places, including illegal? To tell where is the fine line between punch of people playing among each other for fun and a bunch of people playing same game to earn ? Why not instead of banning (the real reason to do is people addiction), create placer where people could recover from addiction. Or why not ban peanuts, because some people are allergic to it?

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Quote from: arimamib on August 05, 2022, 01:42:41 PM

Have you ever seen a small child whose parents forbade him not to play in the mud, no matter how hard the parents forbid the child will not hear because playing in the mud is his hobby. Human nature will not disappear even though it has grown up, something that was forbidden would become his hobby. Gambling has become something that is difficult to separate from humans, from cities to remote areas we can still find people who gamble. Gambling is not the goal of one's life, but rather to entertain oneself to relieve boredom from being tired of working. A person's adrenaline will change when gambling, the excitement of gambling can refresh the brain, that's why so many great people and officials are always active in gambling because it can increase enthusiasm and passion back to normal.

And not only that people have a desire for that which is forbidden, so if the government banned gambling people which never thought about the activity may begin to gamble just to experiment that feeling of doing something they should not be doing, so if anything by doing something like that governments will make gambling even more popular than what it is right now, so the more I think about this the more I think this is simply a very bad idea.

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Have you ever seen a small child whose parents forbade him not to play in the mud, no matter how hard the parents forbid the child will not hear because playing in the mud is his hobby. Human nature will not disappear even though it has grown up, something that was forbidden would become his hobby. Gambling has become something that is difficult to separate from humans, from cities to remote areas we can still find people who gamble. Gambling is not the goal of one's life, but rather to entertain oneself to relieve boredom from being tired of working. A person's adrenaline will change when gambling, the excitement of gambling can refresh the brain, that's why so many great people and officials are always active in gambling because it can increase enthusiasm and passion back to normal.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on August 04, 2022, 01:48:09 PM

Quote from: dunfida on August 03, 2022, 06:10:43 PM

You could really expect that there would be exemptions whenever we do talk about corruption or something and since we do live on an era where connections and accessibility is easy then getting rid of something

is really hard to be completely blocked 100% since we are already on an era where everything could really be easily accessed through online despite on banning it completely.
I dont really see for it to be needed to be banned as long the government would impose such strict rules and reminders about gambling addiction and related to it.
People wont be really ending up on a disaster if they do just simply play in moderation.

I know that the ban won't be 100% effective at preventing people online from accessing casinos to gamble, it's true.
I don't really care how people can access it even though it's banned, but it's clear that the government can't seem to control the proliferation of school-age children who can freely gamble on their Android. The lack of education and warnings would be ineffective even if gambling were outlawed or legal, but I wouldn't be too concerned about the regulations so far.

That is why, instead of banning it, the government should welcome gambling. It will be beneficial to both parties because, the government can earn money through taxes. With the gambling awareness program where the topics about responsible gambling and gambling addiction are fully discussed and explained, citizens will have a better understanding of gambling and gambling addiction. With those knowledge, players might be able to control their addiction to promulgate.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on August 03, 2022, 04:52:57 PM

I have no problem banning gambling in Islamic countries that don't want to take advantage of it. Nor am I insisting that it should be legalized just because of multiple interests, but it is more likely for me to accept any reason to ban or legalize it.

Indonesia prohibits gambling, but in fact some online casinos get away with it without a clear ban. Some online slots and applications are left without restrictions even though they are in Indonesian jurisdictions. It just depends on the corrupt government, it's really up to them.

There is a reason why the Islamic countries in the Middle East had chosen to ban gambling activities and that is because gambling is considered a sin in their religion and they believe that gambling is an act of evil or something like that. They surely don't want to take advantage of any revenues that come from the gambling industry because they will be criticized by other Islamic countries. Also, they had other things to offer where most of their economy relies and that is the black gold (oil).

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Quote from: Smartprofit on August 04, 2022, 01:59:58 AM

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The well known Hydra Effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_effect)
Cut off one head and two will grow to take its place.
Some people will argue that this is the case when comes to the war against drugs, banning of sex workers and even alcohol.

After reading your post I tried to find some information on gambling in countries which follow the Sharia Law, like Saudi Arabia, after a brief internet investigation it seems that even in these countries where the penalties for violating the Islamic law can be tough, there are casinos. I had no idea about this, to be honest and if true it is another example of what you wrote it is true.

Hopefully I'll find someone from those lands to clarify this matter.

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Quote from: dunfida on August 03, 2022, 06:10:43 PM

You could really expect that there would be exemptions whenever we do talk about corruption or something and since we do live on an era where connections and accessibility is easy then getting rid of something

is really hard to be completely blocked 100% since we are already on an era where everything could really be easily accessed through online despite on banning it completely.
I dont really see for it to be needed to be banned as long the government would impose such strict rules and reminders about gambling addiction and related to it.
People wont be really ending up on a disaster if they do just simply play in moderation.

I know that the ban won't be 100% effective at preventing people online from accessing casinos to gamble, it's true.
I don't really care how people can access it even though it's banned, but it's clear that the government can't seem to control the proliferation of school-age children who can freely gamble on their Android. The lack of education and warnings would be ineffective even if gambling were outlawed or legal, but I wouldn't be too concerned about the regulations so far.

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In my opinion, the policy of prohibiting gambling is ineffective.

People are stubborn and curious by nature. This is a property of human nature. There is a proverb - "The ban on eating apples encourages them to be eaten in large quantities, as they seem to be tastier."

In addition, each new generation of people is better versed in computer technology than the previous generation. Therefore, in fact, all prohibitions are meaningless. There are many technological ways to get around any gambling bans (in the information space).

These are VPN, and TOR, and DNS servers. There are paid VPNs, there are free VPNs, you can organize your own VPN (on your own server).

Especially if the player suffers from gambling addiction, then he will overcome all obstacles in order to get the opportunity to play again.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on August 03, 2022, 02:52:04 PM

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Quote from: 81coin on August 02, 2022, 09:15:27 AM

In my opinion, the second "pro" explains everything: addiction, money loss system and so on. If you act like an adult and you are conscious of every threat gambling has, I do not see any reason to cancel gambling. Moreover, gambling is not only about money, it's about fun as well, and we have to remember it.

But unfortunately, not many people are aware of the threat or risk of gambling instead, they continue playing gambling and don't stop before they run out of money. Maybe this is the reason for the government to ban gambling because instead of playing gambling which is not necessarily able to give them a win, the money is better used for their living needs. It will be best if they can do it because we will prevent addiction, loss of money, etc., that can arise after playing gambling.

The problem with that train of thought is that then the governments will begin to put more and more restrictions to the things you can buy or do and our freedoms will be eroded this way.

If I remember correctly at China there is already a limit on how many hours a person can play online video games, think about it, you cannot even play as much time as you want at China, so what would be next,? A limit to how many hours you can watch TV or use the Internet? So while on the surface some people may think that banning gambling or at least allow the government to set a limit to how much you can gamble I think this is a mistake.

I can't imagine if there is a limit on the hours to be able to watch TV and use the internet because it could cause protests from the public. Maybe the use of TV can be controlled by the government. I don't think that the government can apply restrictions on internet connection because nowadays, internet connections are available everywhere. Perhaps the only way the government can enforce the ban is to contact the respective service providers and pressure them to comply with the government's wishes.

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Quote from: dunfida on August 03, 2022, 06:10:43 PM

Quote from: BITCOIN4X on August 03, 2022, 04:52:57 PM

I have no problem banning gambling in Islamic countries that don't want to take advantage of it. Nor am I insisting that it should be legalized just because of multiple interests, but it is more likely for me to accept any reason to ban or legalize it.

Indonesia prohibits gambling, but in fact some online casinos get away with it without a clear ban. Some online slots and applications are left without restrictions even though they are in Indonesian jurisdictions. It just depends on the corrupt government, it's really up to them.

You could really expect that there would be exemptions whenever we do talk about corruption or something and since we do live on an era where connections and accessibility is easy then getting rid of something

is really hard to be completely blocked 100% since we are already on an era where everything could really be easily accessed through online despite on banning it completely.
I dont really see for it to be needed to be banned as long the government would impose such strict rules and reminders about gambling addiction and related to it.
People wont be really ending up on a disaster if they do just simply play in moderation.

The government can't keep up there's always new technology available that will give access to online gambling casinos, even if you're living in a country where there is a high restriction on gambling there are always companies that will provide you tools to access, that is why VPN is very in demand because they know that some countries and some companies are restricting some parts of the region and they are here to provide access in exchange for subscription, because of the ban VPN companies are making a profit.
VPN are a multi million industry where gambling is in existence VPN are there, its their partner for accessibility.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on August 03, 2022, 04:52:57 PM

I have no problem banning gambling in Islamic countries that don't want to take advantage of it. Nor am I insisting that it should be legalized just because of multiple interests, but it is more likely for me to accept any reason to ban or legalize it.

Indonesia prohibits gambling, but in fact some online casinos get away with it without a clear ban. Some online slots and applications are left without restrictions even though they are in Indonesian jurisdictions. It just depends on the corrupt government, it's really up to them.

You could really expect that there would be exemptions whenever we do talk about corruption or something and since we do live on an era where connections and accessibility is easy then getting rid of something

is really hard to be completely blocked 100% since we are already on an era where everything could really be easily accessed through online despite on banning it completely.
I dont really see for it to be needed to be banned as long the government would impose such strict rules and reminders about gambling addiction and related to it.
People wont be really ending up on a disaster if they do just simply play in moderation.

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I have no problem banning gambling in Islamic countries that don't want to take advantage of it. Nor am I insisting that it should be legalized just because of multiple interests, but it is more likely for me to accept any reason to ban or legalize it.

Indonesia prohibits gambling, but in fact some online casinos get away with it without a clear ban. Some online slots and applications are left without restrictions even though they are in Indonesian jurisdictions. It just depends on the corrupt government, it's really up to them.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 03, 2022, 04:55:22 AM

Quote from: 81coin on August 02, 2022, 09:15:27 AM

In my opinion, the second "pro" explains everything: addiction, money loss system and so on. If you act like an adult and you are conscious of every threat gambling has, I do not see any reason to cancel gambling. Moreover, gambling is not only about money, it's about fun as well, and we have to remember it.

But unfortunately, not many people are aware of the threat or risk of gambling instead, they continue playing gambling and don't stop before they run out of money. Maybe this is the reason for the government to ban gambling because instead of playing gambling which is not necessarily able to give them a win, the money is better used for their living needs. It will be best if they can do it because we will prevent addiction, loss of money, etc., that can arise after playing gambling.

The problem with that train of thought is that then the governments will begin to put more and more restrictions to the things you can buy or do and our freedoms will be eroded this way.

If I remember correctly at China there is already a limit on how many hours a person can play online video games, think about it, you cannot even play as much time as you want at China, so what would be next,? A limit to how many hours you can watch TV or use the Internet? So while on the surface some people may think that banning gambling or at least allow the government to set a limit to how much you can gamble I think this is a mistake.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on August 01, 2022, 02:49:40 PM

Quote from: Japinat on August 01, 2022, 02:29:47 PM

You have a point but that doesn't mean that we should still gamble because of the fact of we are still losing money even if we don't participate in these activities as there are other factors aside from that.
We must still have the correct mindset to only participate in the said activity when we are searching for entertainment or means to ease blow up some steam in our lives, it is still best to know if we can afford to lose some funds or not.

As for the OP's concern about whether gambling should be banned or not, I stand to allow these activities to continue because the government could highly the revenue that this industry could produce.

the economy of a country that legalizes gambling, is much better than the banned countries because the income from taxes and other costs from gambling is able to move the wheels of the economy of a region even though the sacrifices are not small

don't say that gambling is cruel, gambling is bad because the average people who say that are those who can't control themselves and lose big when gambling

Well, that is true but what you said also falls in a situational manner because there are also some countries where casinos and other types of gambling are prohibited but their economy is blooming like Japan, Dubai, and Korea. Legalizing gambling activities will truly help to boost the economy but when that specific country has other things to offer aside from gambling then their decision to ban these activities is reasonable enough because gambling can really destroy people's lives.

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Quote from: 81coin on August 02, 2022, 09:15:27 AM

In my opinion, the second "pro" explains everything: addiction, money loss system and so on. If you act like an adult and you are conscious of every threat gambling has, I do not see any reason to cancel gambling. Moreover, gambling is not only about money, it's about fun as well, and we have to remember it.

But unfortunately, not many people are aware of the threat or risk of gambling instead, they continue playing gambling and don't stop before they run out of money. Maybe this is the reason for the government to ban gambling because instead of playing gambling which is not necessarily able to give them a win, the money is better used for their living needs. It will be best if they can do it because we will prevent addiction, loss of money, etc., that can arise after playing gambling.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on August 01, 2022, 04:57:03 PM

Quote from: mindrust on August 01, 2022, 05:05:35 AM

I know die-hard gamblers that travel internationally just because it is illegal to gamble in their home country. Banning gambling isn’t a solution. Those people will find a way. Some of them are not even rich. They just live near the border of a gambler-friendly country and visit them when they gather enough money. Of course they always return empty handed because that’s how gambling works.

more restrictions may make someone more curious and always want to do it.
like in my country, government bans or illegalizes gambling, but in fact, many people are still doing that.
at least, the government tries to decrease the gambling addictions because of some negative sides of a gambling itself so far in the country, dealing with crimes,
but, as long as we can control ourself, it seems to be dilemma moreover if we are usual gambling

True. The rebellious way of humans, do the thing that is restricted to ours. It came from our ancestors so we cannot just take it away from our way of living. If you prevent it, it may cause chaos. Let it be and just regulate it. That's the only option to have a peaceful solution.
Besides, they are creating a lot of money for different funding because of the high tax they are implementing for sins like gambling, cigarettes, and alcohol. The government could use that to help less fortunate people and gambling addicts.
Why ban something that makes a lot of money? It's better than they do it illegally.

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