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And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
Bookmakers cannot influence the outcome of a football match. But they may analyze the game better depending on which they determine the odds of the game. Their odds may make it seem that bookmakers can influence the outcome of football matches but in fact bookmakers cannot influence the outcome of football matches so if they could people would have discovered such fraud. However, it is very important to analyze well when betting on football matches. Be very careful when betting especially on small country games and Premier League games as there can be a bit of fraud in these matches. But there is never any fraud or any deal in World Cup matches.
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I don't think that's possible, I used to think that bookmakers can actually work together and probably bribe those officiating a match to change the outcome but if you give it a little thought you would come up with the realization that it's not possible because it's no legal to do such. If bookmakers can influence the outcome of certain games it would affect the reputation of some clubs, so the possibility of this is very low. The outcome of a match solely depends on what happens in the pitch and how the game is been played and bookmakers have no control over it.
The bookmakers only give the bet to gamblers and not have relation to the outcome on the match. What happen in the field is because each team show their best performance and many things can happen. But how if the bookmakers is big and popular? I think they can cooperate with other third parties that can bribe some people that related to the match and change the outcome. I think possible but I don't know for sure because that need an investigation to know the truth. What bookmarkers can influence is lured gamblers who want to place a bet and ask them if they already have their choice to bet or they still find the team. If that gambler doesn't know what he should choose, the bookmakers will give the option.
What is clear for big and popular team in an important competition will be very difficult to manipulate with an agreement to be able to make certain final result as desired, but for various small leagues with team that are not so popular, there will be possibility of bribery and determining the final result.
It just that as gambler we don't need to think too far in matters like this, we just think realistically by continuing to prioritize big competitions with various big popular team and so we don't need to worry about bookies influencing the results of the match.
Moreover, we don't gamble on all matches in all existing Leagues, just think positively about every match result even though sometimes it doesn't match expectations because unexpected results with surprises from player errors that result in defeat also occur several times.
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I think sometimes the bookies do influence the results of the matches that occur, because I myself feel strange with several matches that take place, even when I look for other information about a slightly strange match there are many people who do comment negatively on the match by saying that the game was arranged by the bookie so it is not strange if someone says "this is a bookie game" although not all matches are like this but I am sure that sometimes the bookie does influence the results of the match.
The bookie can manipulate the match that takes place such as the match is running with a result that will end in a draw but when the bookie sees that there is a big advantage in one  of the teams because of the many bets then the bookie can arrange it even though indirectly. From this I think the bookie seems to have quite a lot of power because he can influence the results of the match.
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I am not so sure about Op's claim based on what he saw in the video online, because that would be a serious accusation. It is like match fixing and rumors always circulate but so far the ones who have always been proven are the players who are proven so they have witnesses.

OP is starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, lol. But it’s also good to be aware of the possibility that some games might be rigged. You can’t avoid people thinking this way, especially when favorites often lose in betting - whether it's the point spread, totals, or an outright win. While it's interesting to consider this type of theory when analyzing games, fully relying on this feeling won’t really help in achieving consistency.
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And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
Though there have rumors about "fixed matches" which are said to be common on lower leagues as an avenue to generate funds. But when it comes to this statement of bookmakers influencing the outcome of Sporting events, I doubt if such is possible, considering the fact that just as casinos aim at generating profits, so do clubs also aim at winning trophies, and as such won't want to compromise with the outcome of their match outcome for few penny of dollars. But however If it were to be said about Referees, lines-men or the head couches to have had influence on the outcome of a football event, then such allegations would have likely been a bit understandable to be true, and not bookmakers, as they are totally a separate body entirely. 
The story of bookmakers have influence on football matches looks untrue because this is not possible if we look at it from a perspective of bookmakers not having what it takes to organize a fix match. But a bookmaker can influence the outcome of a match through the available options that are provided to users to select from in order to bet on the match. They could manipulate the options in a way that we would want to think otherwise especially when we don't have the particular option we intend to bet on. Sometimes the odds of the match,who to win, draw or lose can be manipulated in a way that we could be forced to go for the bigger odds just to increase the total odds of matches we have selected. This is what I understood by bookmakers having the influence yo determine the outcome of our bets whether a win or lose.
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And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
Though there have rumors about "fixed matches" which are said to be common on lower leagues as an avenue to generate funds. But when it comes to this statement of bookmakers influencing the outcome of Sporting events, I doubt if such is possible, considering the fact that just as casinos aim at generating profits, so do clubs also aim at winning trophies, and as such won't want to compromise with the outcome of their match outcome for few penny of dollars. But however If it were to be said about Referees, lines-men or the head couches to have had influence on the outcome of a football event, then such allegations would have likely been a bit understandable to be true, and not bookmakers, as they are totally a separate body entirely. 
Actually once the players reach the professional goal, they also need to release their entertainment and they also need more money for their life, so I don't think the goal is simply the championship trophies because that is only the goal of the players who are too rich, the normal players as well as the lower leagues, they will need more income and once they don't have it, it will be a compromise. Besides, many big football teams need to be famous as well as increase their rank after each season, the investors of these teams will also have a small cost of arrangement, so the bookmaker sometimes only has a very small impact and only needs to cooperate with these teams, a suitable score will appear.
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I am not so sure about Op's claim based on what he saw in the video online, because that would be a serious accusation. It is like match fixing and rumors always circulate but so far the ones who have always been proven are the players who are proven so they have witnesses.
I have also heard bettors say that there are leagues where such practices occur, but it is the small leagues that often occur while the big leagues may have occurred but not as much as the big leagues, because the big leagues will certainly get more attention if there is an anomaly.
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I don't think that's possible, I used to think that bookmakers can actually work together and probably bribe those officiating a match to change the outcome but if you give it a little thought you would come up with the realization that it's not possible because it's no legal to do such. If bookmakers can influence the outcome of certain games it would affect the reputation of some clubs, so the possibility of this is very low. The outcome of a match solely depends on what happens in the pitch and how the game is been played and bookmakers have no control over it.
The bookmakers only give the bet to gamblers and not have relation to the outcome on the match. What happen in the field is because each team show their best performance and many things can happen. But how if the bookmakers is big and popular? I think they can cooperate with other third parties that can bribe some people that related to the match and change the outcome. I think possible but I don't know for sure because that need an investigation to know the truth. What bookmarkers can influence is lured gamblers who want to place a bet and ask them if they already have their choice to bet or they still find the team. If that gambler doesn't know what he should choose, the bookmakers will give the option.
True, they have their way of influencing by encouraging gamblers to bet on a team. Bookmakers help in funding leagues and tournaments, this same bookmakers can adjust odds which encourage fans, and, you know, football has a lot of audience, to bet on specific outcomes. And also, these bookmakers, when they give information, especially as football has a large fan base, people tend to be sensitive to those informations, even if they shared informations with teams and officials, people still find their way to get to know what they said.

So, it's not like they directly go and influence the game, but they have their way of influence. That's just the point I'm trying to make. They have their way of influencing the outcome of the game, especially with the fact that football goes with a lot of crowd.
There are certain actions bookmakers can take that influence how people bet on a game or how people perceive a team and stuff like that. So, that's just it for me. Why bookmakers don't have certain power directly to influence the game in their office, they know they know their way around things, you know. Especially the fact that sponsorship is really important for all this tournament.
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Though there have rumors about "fixed matches" which are said to be common on lower leagues as an avenue to generate funds. But when it comes to this statement of bookmakers influencing the outcome of Sporting events, I doubt if such is possible, considering the fact that just as casinos aim at generating profits, so do clubs also aim at winning trophies, and as such won't want to compromise with the outcome of their match outcome for few penny of dollars. But however If it were to be said about Referees, lines-men or the head couches to have had influence on the outcome of a football event, then such allegations would have likely been a bit understandable to be true, and not bookmakers, as they are totally a separate body entirely. 

I agree with this, from the point of view of the business that bookmakers are engaged in, influencing (obviously illegal) the outcomes of games is a loss-making and risky activity. Why do this if the mathematics itself works for them and is completely legal?
As for the theoretical influence that they can have on the game without breaking the law, maybe it is psychological pressure? For example, if bookmakers in some equal pair quote one team much better, then perhaps this will have an impact on both of these teams. But this is purely theoretical, since it is difficult to verify.
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I don't think that's possible, I used to think that bookmakers can actually work together and probably bribe those officiating a match to change the outcome but if you give it a little thought you would come up with the realization that it's not possible because it's no legal to do such. If bookmakers can influence the outcome of certain games it would affect the reputation of some clubs, so the possibility of this is very low. The outcome of a match solely depends on what happens in the pitch and how the game is been played and bookmakers have no control over it.
The bookmakers only give the bet to gamblers and not have relation to the outcome on the match. What happen in the field is because each team show their best performance and many things can happen. But how if the bookmakers is big and popular? I think they can cooperate with other third parties that can bribe some people that related to the match and change the outcome. I think possible but I don't know for sure because that need an investigation to know the truth. What bookmarkers can influence is lured gamblers who want to place a bet and ask them if they already have their choice to bet or they still find the team. If that gambler doesn't know what he should choose, the bookmakers will give the option.
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And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
Though there have rumors about "fixed matches" which are said to be common on lower leagues as an avenue to generate funds. But when it comes to this statement of bookmakers influencing the outcome of Sporting events, I doubt if such is possible, considering the fact that just as casinos aim at generating profits, so do clubs also aim at winning trophies, and as such won't want to compromise with the outcome of their match outcome for few penny of dollars. But however If it were to be said about Referees, lines-men or the head couches to have had influence on the outcome of a football event, then such allegations would have likely been a bit understandable to be true, and not bookmakers, as they are totally a separate body entirely. 
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And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?

I see no reasons  why this should be effective in the aspect of football because the influence of dominance shown by most prominent team leaders is proven that bookmakers can't have such influence, but they could possibly have influence over teams that grant them access and if the author claims taking teams with lower division and low budget then they can influence them and as well the outcome of that match,so it's either when access is given to bookmakers they can alter the outcome of the match entirely.
This is just baseless, the bookmakers can't and will never influence the outcome of matches, why would they even do that? Look at it from this angle, if a bookmaker influences a certain team, what will be the gain or loss of other bookmakers when the team do not have the final say? Will they all do it? What are they competing with their rivals that made them that desperate? That means the bookmaker will just sacrifice for them for nothing.

And if they've been doing it, won't some of them be caught already like many players have been caught? Has any player ever mentioned a bookmaker to have influenced their matches? I've never read of that, only that some placers might have a direct link with some betting gangs and friend which make them commit some infractions and others so that their people may win.

But with bookies, there are many sports, game options, prematch and live-match bettings among others, how many people would they satisfactorily influence? I doubt this is feasible, we (customers and bookies) are all risking in sports and it will be a grave mistake for bookies to attempt that.
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And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?

I see no reasons  why this should be effective in the aspect of football because the influence of dominance shown by most prominent team leaders is proven that bookmakers can't have such influence, but they could possibly have influence over teams that grant them access and if the author claims taking teams with lower division and low budget then they can influence them and as well the outcome of that match,so it's either when access is given to bookmakers they can alter the outcome of the match entirely.
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I don't think that's possible, I used to think that bookmakers can actually work together and probably bribe those officiating a match to change the outcome but if you give it a little thought you would come up with the realization that it's not possible because it's no legal to do such. If bookmakers can influence the outcome of certain games it would affect the reputation of some clubs, so the possibility of this is very low. The outcome of a match solely depends on what happens in the pitch and how the game is been played and bookmakers have no control over it.
Since you mentioned that bribery is possible, we can also say that manipulation could exist as well. We might not always see these things because they’re not always obvious, but yes, it can definitely happen. 

However, I still believe that bookmakers are genuine in what they're doing and have no influence over the outcomes. They’re in this business for a reason and have gained a lot of users because gamblers trust them. Maybe some may engage in shady practices like you mentioned, but there are definitely reputable sites out there. That’s why choosing the right and trusted betting site is important—it can significantly influence results!
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I recently watched an interesting video where the author claimed that in many cases it is not that difficult to predict the outcome of a sports match, because bookmakers are interested in a certain outcome of the match and implicitly influence the outcome of this match. I will not publish a link to this and other similar videos here, so as not to engage in free advertising.
What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?

Bookmakers are, in reality, businesses that attempt to rank races based on wins. You should balance the money spent on each side of the tournament to limit money laundering. Although these are important in ensuring they make a profit. However, the concept of them having a direct influence on the outcome of the tournament can be an exaggeration. This can be the cause of massive cheating in most sports. The biggest part of it is illegal and hard to hide Especially at the highest level

Major leagues and competitions, such as football, have strict rules and controls to prevent match fixing or manipulation. This is primarily because such activities infringe on the integrity of the game. Organizations like FIFA, UEFA, and national federations are investing much in cleaning up the sport. And while scandals like those of match fixing will have happened in the past, well known and penalized severely, The clearer the reaction will be. The harder it will be to analyze the findings missed.

However, more publicity or highly illegal sports sometimes results in monetary pressure or even fraud. But when the club is on its head due to financial problems, then perhaps the temptation might be there to throw matches or to get players involved in betting. It can especially be so in poor countries or lower leagues. The rules are not very tight regarding control.

If this is unique in this way, then the same pressures and potential losses could always be directed to other sports. For example, tennis has not been without its tournament scandals over the years, especially at grassroots competitions where most of its players earn nothing or very little.

I don't think that's possible, I used to think that bookmakers can actually work together and probably bribe those officiating a match to change the outcome but if you give it a little thought you would come up with the realization that it's not possible because it's no legal to do such. If bookmakers can influence the outcome of certain games it would affect the reputation of some clubs, so the possibility of this is very low. The outcome of a match solely depends on what happens in the pitch and how the game is been played and bookmakers have no control over it.

I have no doubt that it raises serious ethical and legal concerns for anyone to even suggest a bookmaker can actually affect the outcome of a match. The integrity of the sport is paramount. And widespread distortion will certainly damage the reputations of clubs and the sport itself.

Although there are very few cases of fixing matches, But they are always investigated and get pretty severe punishment. This accounts for all the efforts made to ensure a fair play of the game. The match's result will finally depend on the performance of players on field. And any intention of the bookmaker to distort may get exposed. Considering the fact that it is the sports agency who distorts what to do.

However, instability in financial matters for the lower divisions, as dealt with earlier, would portray deficits. Still, I believe it would be important to distinguish the experiences accumulated here from the professional sport experiences. Where most football is played fair and square and the unpredictability of games is what makes sports exciting for both fans and gamblers. Protecting privacy must always come first.

I can't really say that bookmakers influences the outcome of matches %100 but I believe it to be slightly true. Because the way some Match usually ends always baffles most people and makes them believe the Match could have been fixed or controlled by the bookmakers but there is no concrete prove. I have heard many people complain about this kind of situation but who will believe you when there is no evidence? but like I said before, even if it's true how can people believe when there is no evidence? I believe this usually happen in some local team just like @lovemayfamiles said. I think a thread similar to this was created some weeks ago that was related to this.

Although it is hard to identify the authority unmistakably. However, the notion that some matches are questionable raises questions in the minds of fans and bettors. Of course, sometimes the outcome of some games can be inconceivable. This is a reason for recommendations to create matches or multiplayer. But as you say, If there's no clear evidence These claims remain pure speculation. Especially in some local leagues. This can create an environment where doubts arise. Especially when there is financial instability. As we have seen in previous scandals, investigation of any allegations thorough detail is essential to the integrity of the sport.

I still feel that these are the essential debates that should help us analyze the problems of sports betting and other factors that lead to winning a match. Every individual needs to be cautious and encourage health care in all sporting events. For the eradication of problems that might occur
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I can't really say that bookmakers influences the outcome of matches %100 but I believe it to be slightly true. Because the way some Match usually ends always baffles most people and makes them believe the Match could have been fixed or controlled by the bookmakers but there is no concrete prove. I have heard many people complain about this kind of situation but who will believe you when there is no evidence? but like I said before, even if it's true how can people believe when there is no evidence? I believe this usually happen in some local team just like @lovemayfamiles said. I think a thread similar to this was created some weeks ago that was related to this.
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I don't think that's possible, I used to think that bookmakers can actually work together and probably bribe those officiating a match to change the outcome but if you give it a little thought you would come up with the realization that it's not possible because it's no legal to do such. If bookmakers can influence the outcome of certain games it would affect the reputation of some clubs, so the possibility of this is very low. The outcome of a match solely depends on what happens in the pitch and how the game is been played and bookmakers have no control over it.
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I recently watched an interesting video where the author claimed that in many cases it is not that difficult to predict the outcome of a sports match, because bookmakers are interested in a certain outcome of the match and implicitly influence the outcome of this match. I will not publish a link to this and other similar videos here, so as not to engage in free advertising.
What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
The bookmakers according to that which you have stated above obviously influence the outcome of games because there's no better way to put it than this of like you mentioned they literally dictate to the teams how to play so the expected possible outcome can be gotten. Since this isn't a public disclosure the bookmakers will continue to make good money off it but if it were a publicly disclosed information, then the bookmakers will obviously loose funds where the public knows the possible outcome of a game and spends all their money making a stake in it such that the outcome will be huge after which the casinos will suffer after withdrawals.
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I recently watched an interesting video where the author claimed that in many cases it is not that difficult to predict the outcome of a sports match, because bookmakers are interested in a certain outcome of the match and implicitly influence the outcome of this match.
As much as I do not want to side with the bookmakers, this allegation is senseless, how can a sport that is being viewed by many, with players and managers of the teams having different relationships with the bookies be influenced like that? Will they influence all of them to influence the outcome of a match? Fine, some players may be bribes, we've seen cases like that but they can't bribe everyone, and how will that entirely influence the outcome of the game?

Assuming the allegation is true, we have too many bookmakers, how can all of them influence the outcome of matches at once despite being rivals? That is not feasible.

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What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries.
This salary payment can be somewhat true but there is more to that as the bookies can't take the whole credits. There are other sources of income for the clubs, but indeed, sponsors like the bookies play significant roles in their revenue. Notwithstanding, this can't influence the outcome of matches, it's illegal and their cooperation (both the club and the bookies) is a mutual sponsorship for adverts.
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I will not believe the author that bookmakers influences the outcome of a match because football is not gambling and every team and coach is fighting hard to see that they win the title at the end of the season for profit. Bookmakers are the ones to calculate the odds of an upcoming match which they are using some analysis on the clubs performance, head to head, the players playing and the strikers involved in the match if they are in form or not.

This is why I don't see any connections between the bookmakers are a match to be played. It might be so for a very poor country local match but not in a professional match that the players are not allowed to gamble. You should also note that football has a lot of players involved making it difficult for such to happen.
How long will the bookmakers keep influencing a club's match outcome and how long will the coach of the team be willing to allow his career to be continually to be dumped by bookmakers interest ? That's a big question to ponder on, which is why I would agree with you Frankolala  that bookmakers really don't have influence on the outcome of football matches, it could be in other sports but definitely not football.

Every coach want to be at the top of his career by winning matches which amounts to winning trophies and titles and this also is mutual inclusive to the players in the team. If such things are happening I do believe some sought of a whistle blower would have alarmed it. Perhaps, the said man in the purported video wasn't referring to elite leagues but those average leagues which public eyes has no much attention and interest on.

But if we think about it why does bookmakers do that? They don't have to do those things since all what they wanted is to get exposure from what they are promoting. Fixing matches will not be their main concern since they cannot earn huge from it. They provably earn more if they can legitimately scatter their exposure so this doubts from some people is actually don't have any sense.

I try to search some information regarding on this possibilities but it it always show up that Bookmakers don't engage with match fixing schemes since it will create a bad controversy on their business and this might create  a big issue to their company. And those possibilities they mention is kinda questionable and so far there's no proven scenario that coach or any personnel  is having a shady deals towards bookmakers.
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