Topic: Do bookmakers influence the outcome of a match? - page 3. (Read 1151 times)

You actually made a good point here mate. In one of my previous thread, due to the event that lead me to create the thread, I also felt that bookies sometimes influence the results of a match, maybe not for all the top leagues but some small leagues. The world is becoming too corrupt and nothing seem very impossible now. Don't be surprise that some of the football managers could actually have shares in some casinos and would try their best to help the casino in any possible way.

Add to the equation the following factors: betting companies being the main sponsors of athletes and teams, the wicked corrupted standards of modern human beings, the possibility of making instant huge profit through a sole game played.

It looks a fatal formula, right? Why wouldn't bookies and athletes execute a shady scheme like that on the backgrounds? Money is what matters for most people nowadays, above everything else, doesn't matter what means they have to use to achieve that.

It would be naivety from us to think it doesn't happen in some instances of the industry. And as gambling industry gets more popular around the world, the tendency is that one of these schemes is revealed sooner or later, in details. Where there are humans and money, there is corruption, unfortunatelly.

The bookie only analyzes each match that will take place well, the bookie will not at all influence the final result of any match. If this happens in every ball game then a lot of deception has occurred, the bookie prioritizes large capital depending on the appropriate analysis that the bookie can bet on.
Looking in detail before starting betting is very necessary, especially in small matches, sometimes there is score fixing by certain parties and it is not the bookie who does all that.

Almost all major sports leagues have put measures in place to dictate any fraudulent activities in games. They also have an integrity unit which ensures that games are played legally and any suspicious activity is investigated accordingly. However, no system is without loopholes, and humans cannot be fully trusted.

Generally, if it is believed that casinos or betting platforms are fair, this is the reason why people trust them with money. However, this does not change the possibility that some bookmakers have dishonest employees who could try to rig games. Though few cases have come to light, this behaviour is not widespread. It has come to light that there are instances of match-fixing that connect these bookmakers to these unethical actions. 

I don't think that bookmakers ^{(in general)} have any relevant  influence (not to mention the strong one) as it would cost them a lot of money which should cover all club losses from the potential penalties resulted from such kind of deals though the single attempts may happen in any sport. I think bookmakers may influence your bet on a match ^{(by their their sometimes biased odds)} rather than the outcome of that match.

They will easily run their plan to influence people who involved in that events so they will benefits and make more money for their business. Yes, they have their ways to influence people and makes them follow their suggestion to place a bet on the team that they already set. They really make a big profit from that and makes their business bigger with that way.

They can tell people who still confuse what team they will bet to select the team that they are suggested and give their reason why people should choose that team. Even they can tell to those people that they have a secret information that said the team will win in the certain minutes. We don't know what ways they will use to influence people because that is their secret.

That is right because many people including the football federation will strictly watch everything and will make sure that no manipulation will happen. People who will be chosen inside those events will also be strictly selective and will free from corruption and will not have a chance to get bribed. All eyes will be on them so they will ensure that everything will run smoothly without any problems. That will be different if the event is for small leagues that are not too popular so maybe they can set the result or do other things so their chosen team can win.

Bookmakers cannot influence the outcome of a football match. But they may analyze the game better depending on which they determine the odds of the game. Their odds may make it seem that bookmakers can influence the outcome of football matches but in fact bookmakers cannot influence the outcome of football matches so if they could people would have discovered such fraud. However, it is very important to analyze well when betting on football matches. Be very careful when betting especially on small country games and Premier League games as there can be a bit of fraud in these matches. But there is never any fraud or any deal in World Cup matches.

What is clear for big and popular team in an important competition will be very difficult to manipulate with an agreement to be able to make certain final result as desired, but for various small leagues with team that are not so popular, there will be possibility of bribery and determining the final result.
It just that as gambler we don't need to think too far in matters like this, we just think realistically by continuing to prioritize big competitions with various big popular team and so we don't need to worry about bookies influencing the results of the match.
Moreover, we don't gamble on all matches in all existing Leagues, just think positively about every match result even though sometimes it doesn't match expectations because unexpected results with surprises from player errors that result in defeat also occur several times.

I think sometimes the bookies do influence the results of the matches that occur, because I myself feel strange with several matches that take place, even when I look for other information about a slightly strange match there are many people who do comment negatively on the match by saying that the game was arranged by the bookie so it is not strange if someone says "this is a bookie game" although not all matches are like this but I am sure that sometimes the bookie does influence the results of the match.
The bookie can manipulate the match that takes place such as the match is running with a result that will end in a draw but when the bookie sees that there is a big advantage in one  of the teams because of the many bets then the bookie can arrange it even though indirectly. From this I think the bookie seems to have quite a lot of power because he can influence the results of the match.

OP is starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, lol. But it’s also good to be aware of the possibility that some games might be rigged. You can’t avoid people thinking this way, especially when favorites often lose in betting - whether it's the point spread, totals, or an outright win. While it's interesting to consider this type of theory when analyzing games, fully relying on this feeling won’t really help in achieving consistency.

The story of bookmakers have influence on football matches looks untrue because this is not possible if we look at it from a perspective of bookmakers not having what it takes to organize a fix match. But a bookmaker can influence the outcome of a match through the available options that are provided to users to select from in order to bet on the match. They could manipulate the options in a way that we would want to think otherwise especially when we don't have the particular option we intend to bet on. Sometimes the odds of the match,who to win, draw or lose can be manipulated in a way that we could be forced to go for the bigger odds just to increase the total odds of matches we have selected. This is what I understood by bookmakers having the influence yo determine the outcome of our bets whether a win or lose.

Actually once the players reach the professional goal, they also need to release their entertainment and they also need more money for their life, so I don't think the goal is simply the championship trophies because that is only the goal of the players who are too rich, the normal players as well as the lower leagues, they will need more income and once they don't have it, it will be a compromise. Besides, many big football teams need to be famous as well as increase their rank after each season, the investors of these teams will also have a small cost of arrangement, so the bookmaker sometimes only has a very small impact and only needs to cooperate with these teams, a suitable score will appear.

I am not so sure about Op's claim based on what he saw in the video online, because that would be a serious accusation. It is like match fixing and rumors always circulate but so far the ones who have always been proven are the players who are proven so they have witnesses.
I have also heard bettors say that there are leagues where such practices occur, but it is the small leagues that often occur while the big leagues may have occurred but not as much as the big leagues, because the big leagues will certainly get more attention if there is an anomaly.

True, they have their way of influencing by encouraging gamblers to bet on a team. Bookmakers help in funding leagues and tournaments, this same bookmakers can adjust odds which encourage fans, and, you know, football has a lot of audience, to bet on specific outcomes. And also, these bookmakers, when they give information, especially as football has a large fan base, people tend to be sensitive to those informations, even if they shared informations with teams and officials, people still find their way to get to know what they said.

So, it's not like they directly go and influence the game, but they have their way of influence. That's just the point I'm trying to make. They have their way of influencing the outcome of the game, especially with the fact that football goes with a lot of crowd.
There are certain actions bookmakers can take that influence how people bet on a game or how people perceive a team and stuff like that. So, that's just it for me. Why bookmakers don't have certain power directly to influence the game in their office, they know they know their way around things, you know. Especially the fact that sponsorship is really important for all this tournament.

I agree with this, from the point of view of the business that bookmakers are engaged in, influencing (obviously illegal) the outcomes of games is a loss-making and risky activity. Why do this if the mathematics itself works for them and is completely legal?
As for the theoretical influence that they can have on the game without breaking the law, maybe it is psychological pressure? For example, if bookmakers in some equal pair quote one team much better, then perhaps this will have an impact on both of these teams. But this is purely theoretical, since it is difficult to verify.

The bookmakers only give the bet to gamblers and not have relation to the outcome on the match. What happen in the field is because each team show their best performance and many things can happen. But how if the bookmakers is big and popular? I think they can cooperate with other third parties that can bribe some people that related to the match and change the outcome. I think possible but I don't know for sure because that need an investigation to know the truth. What bookmarkers can influence is lured gamblers who want to place a bet and ask them if they already have their choice to bet or they still find the team. If that gambler doesn't know what he should choose, the bookmakers will give the option.

Though there have rumors about "fixed matches" which are said to be common on lower leagues as an avenue to generate funds. But when it comes to this statement of bookmakers influencing the outcome of Sporting events, I doubt if such is possible, considering the fact that just as casinos aim at generating profits, so do clubs also aim at winning trophies, and as such won't want to compromise with the outcome of their match outcome for few penny of dollars. But however If it were to be said about Referees, lines-men or the head couches to have had influence on the outcome of a football event, then such allegations would have likely been a bit understandable to be true, and not bookmakers, as they are totally a separate body entirely. 

This is just baseless, the bookmakers can't and will never influence the outcome of matches, why would they even do that? Look at it from this angle, if a bookmaker influences a certain team, what will be the gain or loss of other bookmakers when the team do not have the final say? Will they all do it? What are they competing with their rivals that made them that desperate? That means the bookmaker will just sacrifice for them for nothing.

And if they've been doing it, won't some of them be caught already like many players have been caught? Has any player ever mentioned a bookmaker to have influenced their matches? I've never read of that, only that some placers might have a direct link with some betting gangs and friend which make them commit some infractions and others so that their people may win.

But with bookies, there are many sports, game options, prematch and live-match bettings among others, how many people would they satisfactorily influence? I doubt this is feasible, we (customers and bookies) are all risking in sports and it will be a grave mistake for bookies to attempt that.

I see no reasons  why this should be effective in the aspect of football because the influence of dominance shown by most prominent team leaders is proven that bookmakers can't have such influence, but they could possibly have influence over teams that grant them access and if the author claims taking teams with lower division and low budget then they can influence them and as well the outcome of that match,so it's either when access is given to bookmakers they can alter the outcome of the match entirely.

Since you mentioned that bribery is possible, we can also say that manipulation could exist as well. We might not always see these things because they’re not always obvious, but yes, it can definitely happen. 

However, I still believe that bookmakers are genuine in what they're doing and have no influence over the outcomes. They’re in this business for a reason and have gained a lot of users because gamblers trust them. Maybe some may engage in shady practices like you mentioned, but there are definitely reputable sites out there. That’s why choosing the right and trusted betting site is important—it can significantly influence results!