Topic: Do bookmakers influence the outcome of a match? - page 6. (Read 1151 times)

We could also say it this way: "The chance of them getting caught is very slim." This suggests that major leagues are indeed rigged; it’s just hard to catch them since they are protected and their business must continue. There’s a saying in sports betting: don’t be fooled by public perception, as it is usually wrong. The side where the smart bets or whales are placing their money is often against the public perception.

This is actually interesting because, based on my experience, when I easily judge a match and am very confident that the better team will win, so I take the spread, I often end up losing. The favorite might not cover the spread or, even worse, could lose the game entirely.

I guess if it's lower-end tourneys or small-end ones? I highly doubt bookmakers have THAT much influence. Otherwise the sports industry would be a pretty dogshit place already, which it isn't as far as I know. I don't think this happens in the big tourneys and even if it did, pretty sure most people who watch aren't THAT dumb. They're able to see if a match is actually fixed or not.

Plus, whatever video you watched is probably just spouting nonsense. Probably didn't have any proof as well either.

This is just a conspiracy theory, and while it might happen in the real world, we have no evidence to prove it. Bookmakers simply offer gamblers a chance to bet and make money regardless of the outcome of the game. It wouldn’t make sense for them to influence the outcome, as it would put their reputation at risk and potentially harm their profitable business if caught. I think those syndicates are the ones betting against the public; they take the public's money, who usually bet on the clear favorite, but as I mentioned, bookmakers still make money in the end.

This is a serious allegation. Been thinking about this and it's hard for me to believe that nothing is impossible, which means there are chances that these things can actually happen especially between smaller teams in local leagues who not have much international attention and need to be bankrolled so badly. Anyone can be used to influence the outcome of a match. It could be the coach, the referee, a particular player or the technical team to either rig the match or underperform. The chances of these things happening may be very slim and rare, but it doesn't rule out the fact that it can actually happen.

I don’t believe on this speculation simply because bookmaker is just a 3rd party that use the game for gambling. They will have profit regardless of the result because of the house edge while players is just betting against other players money too.

A sports is heavily sponsored by different brands and they have tickets sales that generate the profit. Bookmaker is not needed to run a sports game so I don’t why they will have power to influence the match that will cause for a potential questioning about the fairness of the game.

There’s no one control the outcome of the game except for the players itself.

You won't publish it because there is no such thing or the material is written by someone who clearly doesn't know a thing!
It's the team that influences the odds bookies have, not bookies influencing the outcome of a match with their odds, how could that even be possible? Rigging the outcome, yes, that's one thing, but just because they would make Osasuna 1.05 favorite against Barcelona it doesn't mean suddenly Barcelona will play like a 4th rate team because a bookie said so!

This is one of that tinfoil hat theories spread across for clicks, if he had had any proof we would have seen the greatest scandal in history, but as usual, nothing. Any such thing would be easily detected by bots and betting arbitrage would kick in the moment one bookie tries to manipulate the odds, just as players gambling on exotic matches with wrong odds are caught easily so would gamblers easily detect something is fishy about the odds.

In local sports, that is possible but I doubt it could happen in professional sports, I mean the big leagues.
I don't think it's just football that is being affected by this kind of influence, any other popular sports could also have a bookmaker that is funding them and could easily sway the results of the game. Most of the time it's to throw the game away.

You are right. Why do they need to play hard and gain victory if it's always just about the money? Then, they will just follow whatever is said to them and obey it so that the payment will be continuous. This is where most rigged games do happen but to spot them is the difficult part.

No, I do not think that bookmaker has influence of the outcome of an sport matches, I mean they are the one making the odds 'fair' for gamblers with their modelling and maybe AI to help them analyze any matches.

So how will they influence the outcome? maybe they can be paid through the odds that they made, but I don't understand the people making them and then saying that they want to this team to win specially if they are the underdog? That will totally break their modelling system if they do that, and with all the eyes of them, perhaps the Vegas gambling commission, it's very hard to do that and trick everyone.

Bookmakers do not influenced match result as far as i can remember especially the international league are hardly to be influenced, okay how much do you think a bookmakers would pay a team to lose their matches over the opposite team like how is this even possible?
If talking about local team matches or a sub-divisional matches then we can say those clubs has no options to receive pays from bookmakers where they got paid from those marker for inclusion, like having their clube being added to the site where people do bet on them and there matches are being determined by those makers.

come on... this is one of the stupid theory relating gambling I have heard in the last 50 years (more or less my age).
More over, the author of the video clear ignore or doesn't understand how it works business in gambling and how bookmakers earn money.

The only case (of course without any kind of evidence) where a bookmaker can have this interest is in a small competition (maybe created by them). Otherwise is just an impossible thing and nothing else.

Remember with crypto, anyone can make a bet even in new created maket "ad hoc". If anyone was able to made any influence it was something pretty clear and easy detectable.

If for lower division sports betting then it is still very possible that the bookmaker can influence the outcome of the match, this is usually easier to manipulate for small tournaments or the lowest division, while for the Big League I don't think this will be influenced by the bookie, now it's very tight.

Not really paying attention to other sports, but clearly what I understand about football is unique, but whatever the bookies can influence it I have seen several cases that happened before.

I stay with you here, I think it mostly happens in locals, rather than on big events.

It's hard to believe that this sort of thing plays out in a setting like football where you can see some level of trends where big clubs consistently show thier dormainnace over weaker teams and don't waste opportunities to score goals in most of her games. If this is true, then we will be seeing more rotation of top four contenders in the EPL and champions league rather than the regular names we are used to who stands on those spot based on merit and not through the influence of any book maker.

Thier might be other ways they influence certain teams decision to buy certain player if they are sponsoring that team and that's just normal and purely business based. If it happens that's this is anywhere close to what's the current reality with our sports, then we've lost another interesting sports just like what's now the case with wrestling. The effect of things like this is that players can't give in Thier all while playing because the match has already been prefix and the outcome pre determined before the start of the game. I don't think it has gotten to this level.

For me, it sounds like a sick fantasy of this analyst talking about bookmakers' dictates. I will not talk about world football, hoping that there can be no rigged games there. But if we talk about the championship in my country, then even there the bookmaker can only guess about the outcome of the game, making up the odds of the teams based on their position in the tournament table. But yes, I have heard such stories when coaches can agree with the opponent so that his team, for example, wins or plays a draw on his home field, promising to give the next game to the opponent's field. Local championships are guilty of such things, but again, this is not announced everywhere, and disqualification can follow for this.

The big leagues are not influenced by betting sites.

This can be true for big leagues like the English Premier League, La Liga and other big leagues but it is not true in some lower leagues that the outcome can be manipulated. They are manipulating the outcome of the match because of something connecting to betting.

I will not believe the author that bookmakers influences the outcome of a match because football is not gambling and every team and coach is fighting hard to see that they win the title at the end of the season for profit. Bookmakers are the ones to calculate the odds of an upcoming match which they are using some analysis on the clubs performance, head to head, the players playing and the strikers involved in the match if they are in form or not.

This is why I don't see any connections between the bookmakers are a match to be played. It might be so for a very poor country local match but not in a professional match that the players are not allowed to gamble. You should also note that football has a lot of players involved making it difficult for such to happen.

Yes bookmakers cannot influence football matches. I think they can influence a boxing match, because it involves just the boxer and his coach.

I recently watched an interesting video where the author claimed that in many cases it is not that difficult to predict the outcome of a sports match, because bookmakers are interested in a certain outcome of the match and implicitly influence the outcome of this match. I will not publish a link to this and other similar videos here, so as not to engage in free advertising.
What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?