Topic: Do bookmakers influence the outcome of a match? - page 2. (Read 642 times)
There is some truth in this, but this certainly does not apply to top clubs or athletes. If we talk about the second third leagues and various dubious divisions, then yes, this can happen there, since matches can be negotiated with their referees, I think that this is big for someone secret, but accordingly, there are enough risks there, since the commissions can stop this (or maybe not) Much depends on the country where the bookmaker’s office is located.
How much of that is even true? I don't think they should have that kind of power knowing that they don't even play or probably knows a lot of statistics (which is not bad but it shouldn't be a factor in the outcome of a match)
I will believe it if it's in some small-time competition or probably a school thing, but I don't think there would be many bookmakers there as well.
Do you have any specifics, OP?
I will believe it if it's in some small-time competition or probably a school thing, but I don't think there would be many bookmakers there as well.
Do you have any specifics, OP?
- does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
I will not believe the author that bookmakers influences the outcome of a match because football is not gambling and every team and coach is fighting hard to see that they win the title at the end of the season for profit. Bookmakers are the ones to calculate the odds of an upcoming match which they are using some analysis on the clubs performance, head to head, the players playing and the strikers involved in the match if they are in form or not. This is why I don't see any connections between the bookmakers are a match to be played. It might be so for a very poor country local match but not in a professional match that the players are not allowed to gamble. You should also note that football has a lot of players involved making it difficult for such to happen.
Every coach want to be at the top of his career by winning matches which amounts to winning trophies and titles and this also is mutual inclusive to the players in the team. If such things are happening I do believe some sought of a whistle blower would have alarmed it. Perhaps, the said man in the purported video wasn't referring to elite leagues but those average leagues which public eyes has no much attention and interest on.
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
An interesting question that I've been thinking about too. I often bet on weak teams, where their unexpected victory is beneficial to bookmakers (although bookmakers profit from any outcome). Well, I noticed that such paradoxical match outcomes happen almost every season, their share is sufficient to at least cover losses on other bets.
Can bookmakers be that powerful? In football, it is possible. This is the most popular game on the planet, and revenue, for example, when broadcasting matches, directly depends on the number of viewers, and the number of viewers strongly depends on whether they place bets. There are many relationships here.
Is there a sport in which it is almost 100% possible to exclude any influence from the outside on the results? Boxing - well, it's extremely doubtful. There are a lot of specially selected opponents. Most likely, there is the strongest influence from the outside.
So gradually, I came to the conclusion that Formula 1 is the least susceptible to manipulation. For reasons of too powerful opposing rivals. Well, obviously the bookmakers are too small in scale to influence the teams that contain automobile corporations. Multiply this by the ego of the pilots of the first magnitude.
They don't influence, their job is to released to the public and for the casinos to used their odds based on several factors, like winning percentage of the team, the standing and others. And as far as I know, they used modeling system to be at least fair when releasing the odds.
So there's no way that they an influence the outcome and I haven't heard any glitch or mistakes by any bookmakers are far as the odds are. So they double check everything before giving it to the casinos and then us bettors used that odds to stake our bets.
So there's no way that they an influence the outcome and I haven't heard any glitch or mistakes by any bookmakers are far as the odds are. So they double check everything before giving it to the casinos and then us bettors used that odds to stake our bets.
I recently watched an interesting video where the author claimed that in many cases it is not that difficult to predict the outcome of a sports match, because bookmakers are interested in a certain outcome of the match and implicitly influence the outcome of this match. I will not publish a link to this and other similar videos here, so as not to engage in free advertising.
What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
I doubt that that is the case. Most of the time bookmakers are making their many anyway by matching the various outcomes with odds accordingly. They can influence their overall outcome by adjusting odds and limits that someone can place. And I think the more professional the sport, the higher the league and the more elite the participants, the closer to zero is the chance that they literally influence the outcome.
As you said lower leagues might be rather prone to any kind of manipulation, but serious bookmakers won't engage in that as they are already sitting on a goldmine and if it comes out, that goldmine would be closed for them immediately. Doesn't sound like a good deal to me.
Betting sites don't really care which side is winning because they win no matter what.
If one side gets heavy bets they just adjust the odds and make sure their vig stays the same for them.
Sure sometimes they still have a site where the sports book would make more money if it wins but they won't lose money if the other side wins normally. They already charge us a hefty % due to the vig so there is plenty of room for them to move the line/odds accordingly.
If one side gets heavy bets they just adjust the odds and make sure their vig stays the same for them.
Sure sometimes they still have a site where the sports book would make more money if it wins but they won't lose money if the other side wins normally. They already charge us a hefty % due to the vig so there is plenty of room for them to move the line/odds accordingly.
Basically every team will have an owner or investor who holds some shares in the football team, not only for the national team but also the lower division teams there must always be financial support behind them to finance and develop the team.
But what makes the difference is the amount of money that is circulated for this investment, for big team there are clearly rich people and maybe foreign investors but for lower teams it is likely only small investors and from here it can be concluded that the influence of the inadequate state or government budget is not problem.
And if it is about bookies influencing the results, it may be for several matches in certain competitions considering that now football is also part of business that is utilized by investors or team owners so that they can take the opportunity to work together for the results that have been agreed upon.
This is like making predetermined result or kind of bribe to make one particular team gain an advantage and win, the small league will be very easy to influence.
But what makes the difference is the amount of money that is circulated for this investment, for big team there are clearly rich people and maybe foreign investors but for lower teams it is likely only small investors and from here it can be concluded that the influence of the inadequate state or government budget is not problem.
And if it is about bookies influencing the results, it may be for several matches in certain competitions considering that now football is also part of business that is utilized by investors or team owners so that they can take the opportunity to work together for the results that have been agreed upon.
This is like making predetermined result or kind of bribe to make one particular team gain an advantage and win, the small league will be very easy to influence.
The top bookmakers probably have the money to influence matches in the lower leagues. Even though they have what it takes to shift the tides, I doubt they'll do it because from what i've seen bookmakers tend to have low betting limits whenever you bet in the lower leagues.
I can't buy the idea that bookmakers influence the outcome of a match. The match can be fixed quite alright, but not from the bookmakers. They can get a tip of the fixtures and try setting the odds in the to reduce the exploits of the whales that do the fixing . Fixing is done quite alright, but not by the bookmakers, it's done in the lower leagues that are not properly checked by FIFA. It's a seldom activity too.
I also have the same thoughts, the bookmakers don't have to rely on fixing matches when profit is going to flow regardless of the outcome and as long as their users keep placing bets. 
I can't buy the idea that bookmakers influence the outcome of a match. The match can be fixed quite alright, but not from the bookmakers. They can get a tip of the fixtures and try setting the odds in the to reduce the exploits of the whales that do the fixing . Fixing is done quite alright, but not by the bookmakers, it's done in the lower leagues that are not properly checked by FIFA. It's a seldom activity too.
The chances of these things happening may be very slim and rare, but it doesn't rule out the fact that it can actually happen.
We could also say it this way: "The chance of them getting caught is very slim." This suggests that major leagues are indeed rigged; it’s just hard to catch them since they are protected and their business must continue. There’s a saying in sports betting: don’t be fooled by public perception, as it is usually wrong. The side where the smart bets or whales are placing their money is often against the public perception.hero member
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I believe the casino have limits to which they can influence a game depending on the team and league. If it's in big international league where all the team are battling for their own victory, I don't think their is anything the casino can do to influence such match. Casino might have other local leagues that they can easily influence or can possibly influence a player secretly so that the player can form badly, either ways, as demanded.
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I recently watched an interesting video where the author claimed that in many cases it is not that difficult to predict the outcome of a sports match, because bookmakers are interested in a certain outcome of the match and implicitly influence the outcome of this match. I will not publish a link to this and other similar videos here, so as not to engage in free advertising.
What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
I believe the casino have limits to which they can influence a game depending on the team and league. If it's in big international league where all the team are battling for their own victory, I don't think their is anything the casino can do to influence such match. Casino might have other local leagues that they can easily influence or can possibly influence a player secretly so that the player can form badly, either ways, as demanded.
Bookmakers do not influence the outcome or result of matches, it is basically not possible and people just like to come up with bullshit stories for PR, the bookmakers are making enough money through their platform and they are not involved in match fixing. How can the bookmakers even benefit from match fixing, is it going to affect how they set the odds? For example, if City is playing against Brentford and the bookmakers influence is for Brentford to win, do they give them a smaller odd than City? Lol.
In some cases it might be plausible especially on lower ranked sports where the players don't make much money. But in the bigger sports I dont think it's all that much doable. The books are fine they will make their share of money from people chasing loses or overheating because they won. It's probably not that big of an issue.
I recently watched an interesting video where the author claimed that in many cases it is not that difficult to predict the outcome of a sports match, because bookmakers are interested in a certain outcome of the match and implicitly influence the outcome of this match. I will not publish a link to this and other similar videos here, so as not to engage in free advertising.
What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
Bookmakers don't need to rig anything in order to make money. Nor would they even bother getting involved in anything illegal when they can make mountains of money by doing things legally. There will be rare exceptions to this rule, just like there are criminals in every walk of life, but there is no grand conspiracy the bookmakers have some sort of insider knowledge. No, they have public knowledge and historical information to go on, with vast banks of super computing power able to analyze statistics better than any individual person is likely able to pull together. With that information and even comparing against other bookmakers doing the same thing independently, they can formulate odds which will make them a profit - and gamblers flock to hand over their money thinking they know better.
It's possible in smaller, more corrupt countries, but do you believe something like that can happen in the UFC for instance, or FIFA world cup. I wouldn't be surprised if in second league in Zimbabwe someone was pulling the strings, or in local town leagues, junior leagues and such, but if you're afraid of it don't bet on them, put money on the big boys NFL, NBA, FIFA, UFC, NHL... There's so many to choose from, you can be betting all day and never touch suspicious games.
Definitely not, bookmakers has no way can influence the outcome of the match. Remember bookmakers are getting profit from the bets of people. They have this algorithm that produce an odds that exceeds probabilities, with that they can earn a profit margin if the said odd probability exceeds 100%. Bookmakers also have a system that can try to balance the bet of both side, if that happen then the bookmaker lessen the risk of paying out more than what they earn. And there are lots more.
With several options for the bookmaker to earn an income from matches, I do not think they have to resort to manipulating the game in order to have the result on their favor. If there is someone manipulating the game is, it might be the people who are involved directly on the sports, like the athletes, coaches and more.
With several options for the bookmaker to earn an income from matches, I do not think they have to resort to manipulating the game in order to have the result on their favor. If there is someone manipulating the game is, it might be the people who are involved directly on the sports, like the athletes, coaches and more.
I recently watched an interesting video where the author claimed that in many cases it is not that difficult to predict the outcome of a sports match, because bookmakers are interested in a certain outcome of the match and implicitly influence the outcome of this match. I will not publish a link to this and other similar videos here, so as not to engage in free advertising.
What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
You made a lot of point here. I am not going to dismiss it because I have never heard of this once. This is my first time. But some questions that came up as I read this are if bookmakers are so powerful that they are able to influence the outcome of a football match, the would we say that it will most likely be bookmakers that are the most popular in a region where the clubs are based or are even sponsors of the club? Because it isn't possible for them to have a worldwide reach on all games played in the different championships. How about other bookmarkers? Gamblers don't patronize one bookmarker. Are these other bookmarkers also involved in this influencing? What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?
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I disagree with you the bolded statement. We all know that Manchester City is stronger than Chelsea which most people will bet on City winning and the bookers will give City the lower odds because it is clear that City has a higher chance of winning than losing. I don't see that as influencing of the match. As long as it is gambling that you are predicting the outcome of an event that has not taken place, you might lose or win and that is where the bookmakers make their funds because the game might turn out to be the opposite. Another thing is that gamblers are so greedy that they don't like betting on small odds. If you talk about casino games, I can understand that the casino algorithm influences the outcome of your bet. Since what we are talking about is bookies and not gamblers greed level or patterns of games selection following the odds, between let me ask you, do you know or ever hard the term, match fixing?
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