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Quote from: BADecker on March 02, 2017, 05:35:05 PM

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What causes the 'cause and effect' to stop working in case of God?

Tracking any particular electron, to determine the causes that act on it so that it's motion is the effect, is difficult. There really isn't any way to determine all the causes.

What about all the rest of the electrons, and the protons, and the neutrons, and the electromagnetic waves in the universe?

Thank you for showing your silliness with regard to God. It helps to understand how ignorant you want to remain.

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I don't give a shit about your imaginary friend. Your Osiris fantasy does not interest me. What interests me is why you (and billion of other schmucks) are suffering from this delusion? The actual religious dogma is irrelevant.

You have brought up the 'cause and effect' argument. So you use it.

What causes God?

And if he does not need the cause, what causes 'the cause and effect' to stop working in case of your imaginary friend?

BTW, I think one of the reasons you suffer from this delusion is that you are gullible and uneducated.

I don't particularly care about my imaginary friend(s), either.

God, being outside of this universe as well as in it, doesn't necessarily have a cause. But if he did, you and stats would be among those who couldn't begin to understand it, because you can't even understand the proof of God's existence enough to formulate a rebuttal for it.

Forget about trying to comprehend the things that are outside the universe. You can't even comprehend the things within.

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In my next life, if there is that, I think I will believe in God for testing.
But here and now I am happy without the stuff.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 02, 2017, 05:35:05 PM

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What causes the 'cause and effect' to stop working in case of God?

Tracking any particular electron, to determine the causes that act on it so that it's motion is the effect, is difficult. There really isn't any way to determine all the causes.

What about all the rest of the electrons, and the protons, and the neutrons, and the electromagnetic waves in the universe?

Thank you for showing your silliness with regard to God. It helps to understand how ignorant you want to remain.

Cool

And your proof of this is where?

Put simply, cause and effect doesn't work on imaginary friends.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 02, 2017, 10:43:34 AM

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You are so full of shit.

Since I am speaking the truth, then my logic is correct. There is no god.

Trust me.... I would not miss. It would be your god's will.

(I am actually a nice guy and don't believe in violence, so you are safe my friend.

)

You still haven't found any rebuttal or refutation of the scientific evidence and proof that shows God exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

This means that your logic is only correct for yourself and those who want to follow your religion with you.

However, thanks again for admitting that God exists by not being able to rebut the science.

Cool

Here you go.....

Link 1.
Machine: You state that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe. You then stretch this to state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God. Wrong! This is called advancement in Technology. Usually done in a manner of trial and error. Look at planes. There were many failures before success. According to you, this means that man is god.

Actually, this isn't completely what I have stated in the links. While I stated that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe, I never state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God.

The thing that I state about this is that all machines have makers. The machines of nature (which are way more advanced than our machines) must have had an advanced maker. Because of how greatly ahead of us the machines of nature are, the Machine Maker of nature and the universe would fit our definition of "God."

Are you intentionally twisting what I said? Or do you simply have lower reading comprehension?

Cool

This process is called "evolution". Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

As we learn more about objects "through science" we are able to understand how they have come to be and why this has occurred.

The answers are being discovered and they do not rely on a "god principle".

Evolution is change. Everything that we have found, changes by cause and effect. Cause and effect produces such great and marvelous things, that the only way it could have gotten started is by God starting it.

Cool

And your proof that God started this change is where?

How slow are you? Just for you, I will say it again. Cause and effect.

If we had any knowledge of what started the great cause and effect that runs our universe, we would see God directly. Since cause and effect has produced what it has, the only answer is the existence of God.

The description of God from the cause and effect fact is not explained very much. But the only thing that could produce this universe through cause and effect is God, in one form or another.

Cool

Thank you for admitting God doesn't exist.

There is no proof of your god starting it. Now you see how pointless your argument of cause and effect is. You are just assuming it to be your description of your god.

BADecker

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What causes the 'cause and effect' to stop working in case of God?

Tracking any particular electron, to determine the causes that act on it so that it's motion is the effect, is difficult. There really isn't any way to determine all the causes.

What about all the rest of the electrons, and the protons, and the neutrons, and the electromagnetic waves in the universe?

Thank you for showing your silliness with regard to God. It helps to understand how ignorant you want to remain.

Cool

BADecker

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Quote from: stats on March 01, 2017, 11:42:50 PM

Quote from: BADecker on March 01, 2017, 03:59:02 PM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 10:14:40 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 28, 2017, 09:04:34 AM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 06:49:51 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 28, 2017, 03:30:05 AM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 03:24:53 AM

You are so full of shit.

Since I am speaking the truth, then my logic is correct. There is no god.

Trust me.... I would not miss. It would be your god's will.

(I am actually a nice guy and don't believe in violence, so you are safe my friend.

)

You still haven't found any rebuttal or refutation of the scientific evidence and proof that shows God exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

This means that your logic is only correct for yourself and those who want to follow your religion with you.

However, thanks again for admitting that God exists by not being able to rebut the science.

Cool

Here you go.....

Link 1.
Machine: You state that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe. You then stretch this to state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God. Wrong! This is called advancement in Technology. Usually done in a manner of trial and error. Look at planes. There were many failures before success. According to you, this means that man is god.

Actually, this isn't completely what I have stated in the links. While I stated that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe, I never state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God.

The thing that I state about this is that all machines have makers. The machines of nature (which are way more advanced than our machines) must have had an advanced maker. Because of how greatly ahead of us the machines of nature are, the Machine Maker of nature and the universe would fit our definition of "God."

Are you intentionally twisting what I said? Or do you simply have lower reading comprehension?

Cool

This process is called "evolution". Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

As we learn more about objects "through science" we are able to understand how they have come to be and why this has occurred.

The answers are being discovered and they do not rely on a "god principle".

Evolution is change. Everything that we have found, changes by cause and effect. Cause and effect produces such great and marvelous things, that the only way it could have gotten started is by God starting it.

Cool

And your proof that God started this change is where?

How slow are you? Just for you, I will say it again. Cause and effect.

If we had any knowledge of what started the great cause and effect that runs our universe, we would see God directly. Since cause and effect has produced what it has, the only answer is the existence of God.

The description of God from the cause and effect fact is not explained very much. But the only thing that could produce this universe through cause and effect is God, in one form or another.

Cool

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belive...
same as religion maybe...

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Quote from: BADecker on March 01, 2017, 03:59:02 PM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 10:14:40 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 28, 2017, 09:04:34 AM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 06:49:51 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 28, 2017, 03:30:05 AM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 03:24:53 AM

You are so full of shit.

Since I am speaking the truth, then my logic is correct. There is no god.

Trust me.... I would not miss. It would be your god's will.

(I am actually a nice guy and don't believe in violence, so you are safe my friend.

)

You still haven't found any rebuttal or refutation of the scientific evidence and proof that shows God exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

This means that your logic is only correct for yourself and those who want to follow your religion with you.

However, thanks again for admitting that God exists by not being able to rebut the science.

Cool

Here you go.....

Link 1.
Machine: You state that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe. You then stretch this to state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God. Wrong! This is called advancement in Technology. Usually done in a manner of trial and error. Look at planes. There were many failures before success. According to you, this means that man is god.

Actually, this isn't completely what I have stated in the links. While I stated that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe, I never state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God.

The thing that I state about this is that all machines have makers. The machines of nature (which are way more advanced than our machines) must have had an advanced maker. Because of how greatly ahead of us the machines of nature are, the Machine Maker of nature and the universe would fit our definition of "God."

Are you intentionally twisting what I said? Or do you simply have lower reading comprehension?

Cool

This process is called "evolution". Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

As we learn more about objects "through science" we are able to understand how they have come to be and why this has occurred.

The answers are being discovered and they do not rely on a "god principle".

Evolution is change. Everything that we have found, changes by cause and effect. Cause and effect produces such great and marvelous things, that the only way it could have gotten started is by God starting it.

Cool

And your proof that God started this change is where?

KingScorpio

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in the past i didnt believed in god because i saw the sufferage religious societies had for their people.

but today i changed my mind and i am unsure and i think it is likely that god exist because the way the world is designed looks for me like a constructed much higher end video game.

Examples.

why does the Media Phrase: Race for the white House, has two meaning and both are extremly true when the usa is electing its next president
http://edition.cnn.com/shows/race-for-the-white-house

Race in form of the Competition and also in form of the biological skincolor both are issues in the usa.

the same is with other stuff like Donald Trump second name and his marketing. as if it was designed.

another good reasons is, the unlogic existence of multiverses with differnt laws of nature, it is more likely that there is just one universy but it is inteligent itself

i also observed several times my luck beeing increased with a small prayer.

regards

Scorpio

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Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 10:14:40 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 28, 2017, 09:04:34 AM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 06:49:51 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 28, 2017, 03:30:05 AM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 03:24:53 AM

You are so full of shit.

Since I am speaking the truth, then my logic is correct. There is no god.

Trust me.... I would not miss. It would be your god's will.

(I am actually a nice guy and don't believe in violence, so you are safe my friend.

)

You still haven't found any rebuttal or refutation of the scientific evidence and proof that shows God exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

This means that your logic is only correct for yourself and those who want to follow your religion with you.

However, thanks again for admitting that God exists by not being able to rebut the science.

Cool

Here you go.....

Link 1.
Machine: You state that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe. You then stretch this to state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God. Wrong! This is called advancement in Technology. Usually done in a manner of trial and error. Look at planes. There were many failures before success. According to you, this means that man is god.

Actually, this isn't completely what I have stated in the links. While I stated that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe, I never state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God.

The thing that I state about this is that all machines have makers. The machines of nature (which are way more advanced than our machines) must have had an advanced maker. Because of how greatly ahead of us the machines of nature are, the Machine Maker of nature and the universe would fit our definition of "God."

Are you intentionally twisting what I said? Or do you simply have lower reading comprehension?

Cool

This process is called "evolution". Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

As we learn more about objects "through science" we are able to understand how they have come to be and why this has occurred.

The answers are being discovered and they do not rely on a "god principle".

Evolution is change. Everything that we have found, changes by cause and effect. Cause and effect produces such great and marvelous things, that the only way it could have gotten started is by God starting it.

Cool

BADecker

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Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 10:16:44 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 28, 2017, 09:18:05 AM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 06:49:51 AM

Cause and effect: I agree about your simple logic of cause and effect, however, you fail to prove that the first instance was a "god". Everything reverts back to a single point which you assume is god. That is only a theory. To go back to a single point, your belief that randomness cannot exist because it cannot be proven. But what about if our universe that we live in was the product of a random event in a universe older than ours? We do not have the technology to visit this universe to prove this correct or not correct. This is where you fail with your proof. You have cut yourself off from the possibility that another universe has caused something for us to exist in our universe.

You haven't looked thoroughly enough through the links. You missed the part where it talks about the game of billiards/pool. I'll restate briefly.

A pool shark might be able to predict where a string of five balls that he hits are going to go. He might be able to predict that ball 1 will hit ball 2 which will hit ball 3 which will ht ball 4 which will knock ball 5 into that corner pocket. The pool shark is very good if he can do this kind of predicting every time.

Cause and effect has done this with countless electrons, protons, neutrons, atoms, molecules, photons, electromagnetic waves, etc., etc., throughout the universe. The result is complexity that boggles the mind, and will never be able to be understood. Because of the complexity that has come about through cause and effect, there is Something very intelligent and very capable at the beginning of all this complexity. That Something fits our definition of God.

As far as pure random goes, we have no example of it, while we have countless examples of cause and effect. All kinds of things can be guessed at, but the proofs of the things that have been proven - cause and effect and complexity - prove God.

Thanks again for upholding the proof that God exists.

Cool

There you have it....

Because you believe that the human mind cannot understand it (at present) it has to be a god. There is no proof there. That is an assumption.

Cause and effect proves nothing.

Not "a" God. THE ONLY God.
Fits the dictionary definition.

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BADecker

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Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 10:22:25 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 28, 2017, 09:29:06 AM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 06:49:51 AM

Nations look for god: You speak as though you know the minds of all people. Assuming that everyone knows in their hearts that they believe in your god. That is not possible for you to know what anyone else thinks or feels. This is complete crap. In ancient times the majority of the people were religious. Throughout history people have gravitated away from religion for whatever reason they choose. You cannot assume anything about another person.

Not the minds. The hearts. However, tell me where the person is who doesn't need air to breathe, water to drink, food to eat, clothing and shelter, and all the other things people need. If such a person existed, he wouldn't be a person. He would be something else. All people are essentially the same kind of thing.

Among the things that a person doesn't know is what will happen in the future, even the next second. The stability of the universe makes it look like some people know the future. But nobody really knows. How can anyone tell this? By the fact that there are too many cause and effect actions happening on all things all the time. Nobody can know enough of them to do anything other than guess about the future.

This is why all people look for God. The machine workings of nature are part of the evidence that shows them that God exists. With enough persistent self-training, a person can talk himself out of believing in God formally. But give a person great joy, or give him great pain and sorrow, and he won't be able to maintain his personal self-training. Rather, he will revert to recognizing that God exists.

Thanks, again, for helping to prove that God exists.

Cool

Once again you continue to spruce that you know what every single person knows and feels in the mind or heart.

Do you have some kind of magic wand?

On one hand you talk about free will and the next you are saying that everyone thinks and feels the same.

You keep sprouting that all mankind knows in their hearts.... bullshit. We do not think the same nor do we love or feel the same.

You need to get your arguments aligned.

I do not look for god.... there is no such thing.

Thank God that stats and af_newbie aren't the gods that they are trying to be.

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Quote from: frankbit on March 01, 2017, 11:45:07 AM

I don't believe in God. For me, there is no evidence of its existence and furthermore everything that is said in the Bible to me is ridiculous. It is rather a proof of his non-existence than the proof that God exists.

You can't just call that ridiculous. There may be no evidence about His existence then we just respect them from what they believe in.

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I don't believe in God. For me, there is no evidence of its existence and furthermore everything that is said in the Bible to me is ridiculous. It is rather a proof of his non-existence than the proof that God exists.

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I believe in god, but I think reasons are unnecessary, you either believe in god or not, it is not like god has to prove something to us, you need to make your choice.

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Quote from: virtualx on July 26, 2016, 12:52:19 PM

Do you believe in god? If you do, why do you believe? (give a few reasons)

I believe I am god, which probably sounds strange.

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Chainjoes.com

in USA in liberal county still belive GOD
only comunism is not believe GOD

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Quote from: BADecker on February 28, 2017, 09:29:06 AM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 06:49:51 AM

Nations look for god: You speak as though you know the minds of all people. Assuming that everyone knows in their hearts that they believe in your god. That is not possible for you to know what anyone else thinks or feels. This is complete crap. In ancient times the majority of the people were religious. Throughout history people have gravitated away from religion for whatever reason they choose. You cannot assume anything about another person.

Not the minds. The hearts. However, tell me where the person is who doesn't need air to breathe, water to drink, food to eat, clothing and shelter, and all the other things people need. If such a person existed, he wouldn't be a person. He would be something else. All people are essentially the same kind of thing.

Among the things that a person doesn't know is what will happen in the future, even the next second. The stability of the universe makes it look like some people know the future. But nobody really knows. How can anyone tell this? By the fact that there are too many cause and effect actions happening on all things all the time. Nobody can know enough of them to do anything other than guess about the future.

This is why all people look for God. The machine workings of nature are part of the evidence that shows them that God exists. With enough persistent self-training, a person can talk himself out of believing in God formally. But give a person great joy, or give him great pain and sorrow, and he won't be able to maintain his personal self-training. Rather, he will revert to recognizing that God exists.

Thanks, again, for helping to prove that God exists.

Cool

Once again you continue to spruce that you know what every single person knows and feels in the mind or heart.

Do you have some kind of magic wand?

On one hand you talk about free will and the next you are saying that everyone thinks and feels the same.

You keep sprouting that all mankind knows in their hearts.... bullshit. We do not think the same nor do we love or feel the same.

You need to get your arguments aligned.

I do not look for god.... there is no such thing.

stats

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Quote from: BADecker on February 28, 2017, 09:18:05 AM

Quote from: stats on February 28, 2017, 06:49:51 AM

Cause and effect: I agree about your simple logic of cause and effect, however, you fail to prove that the first instance was a "god". Everything reverts back to a single point which you assume is god. That is only a theory. To go back to a single point, your belief that randomness cannot exist because it cannot be proven. But what about if our universe that we live in was the product of a random event in a universe older than ours? We do not have the technology to visit this universe to prove this correct or not correct. This is where you fail with your proof. You have cut yourself off from the possibility that another universe has caused something for us to exist in our universe.

You haven't looked thoroughly enough through the links. You missed the part where it talks about the game of billiards/pool. I'll restate briefly.

A pool shark might be able to predict where a string of five balls that he hits are going to go. He might be able to predict that ball 1 will hit ball 2 which will hit ball 3 which will ht ball 4 which will knock ball 5 into that corner pocket. The pool shark is very good if he can do this kind of predicting every time.

Cause and effect has done this with countless electrons, protons, neutrons, atoms, molecules, photons, electromagnetic waves, etc., etc., throughout the universe. The result is complexity that boggles the mind, and will never be able to be understood. Because of the complexity that has come about through cause and effect, there is Something very intelligent and very capable at the beginning of all this complexity. That Something fits our definition of God.

As far as pure random goes, we have no example of it, while we have countless examples of cause and effect. All kinds of things can be guessed at, but the proofs of the things that have been proven - cause and effect and complexity - prove God.

Thanks again for upholding the proof that God exists.

Cool

There you have it....

Because you believe that the human mind cannot understand it (at present) it has to be a god. There is no proof there. That is an assumption.

Cause and effect proves nothing.

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