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legendary
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January 28, 2017, 03:44:33 AM
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Further from the site:
This is an incredible chart.  The New Testament has 5,600 copies…In Greek.  The “in Greek” is significant because the original text was written in Greek (common language of the day).  If we add copies from various languages such as Latin the total number of copies would go as high as 24,000.  That is 24,000 copies of the original documents, the original writings of the Apostles.  No other document in antiquity can claim such a volume.  Other famous writers of antiquity fail this test. This is not to say that the copies of these other documents are inadequate or that the copies are wrong.  It is simply to say that you have much less quantity with which to verify its contents and, therefore, much less confidence in those copies.

Consider Plato.  Plato is well known for his writing “The Republic”.  There are only 7 copies of the original.  How confident can one be that the translation we read of “The Republic” is the one that Plato wrote?  Confidence level has to be low because you only have 7 copies to compare against one another.  However, historically speaking, “The Republic” has been accepted as an accurate recording of Plato’s words.

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Haha, really? Now this is complete BS BADdecker. I only need 1 copy of the original to provide more than adequate proof when the contents thereof is verified against the ONE and ONLY original, which does not exist at all.



I saw that. You said, "Haha, really?!" So, you are joking around. After all, when the copies are almost exactly the same over hundreds or thousands of years, and when they are hand copied hundreds or thousands of times while remaining almost the same, why do you need the original? You would believe the original less than any of the copies, anyway. How do I know? Because you brush off the miracle even though you know that it is miraculous.

In addition, nobody knows that the originals of the books that make up the Bible do not exist.

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sr. member
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January 28, 2017, 02:14:33 AM
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Further from the site:
This is an incredible chart.  The New Testament has 5,600 copies…In Greek.  The “in Greek” is significant because the original text was written in Greek (common language of the day).  If we add copies from various languages such as Latin the total number of copies would go as high as 24,000.  That is 24,000 copies of the original documents, the original writings of the Apostles.  No other document in antiquity can claim such a volume.  Other famous writers of antiquity fail this test.  This is not to say that the copies of these other documents are inadequate or that the copies are wrong.  It is simply to say that you have much less quantity with which to verify its contents and, therefore, much less confidence in those copies.

Consider Plato.  Plato is well known for his writing “The Republic”.  There are only 7 copies of the original.  How confident can one be that the translation we read of “The Republic” is the one that Plato wrote?  Confidence level has to be low because you only have 7 copies to compare against one another.  However, historically speaking, “The Republic” has been accepted as an accurate recording of Plato’s words.

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Haha, really? Now this is complete BS BADdecker. I only need 1 copy of the original to provide more than adequate proof when the contents thereof is verified against the ONE and ONLY original, which does not exist at all.

legendary
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January 28, 2017, 02:02:01 AM
The Rigveda (Sanskrit: ऋग्वेद ṛgveda, from ṛc "praise, shine" and veda "knowledge") is an ancient Indian collection of Vedic Sanskrit hymns. It is one of the four canonical sacred texts (śruti) of Hinduism known as the Vedas. The text is a collection of 1,028 hymns and 10,600 verses, organized into ten books (Mandalas). Originally composed between 1700-1500BC it remains the oldest written scripture available. Thousands of copies were written down hundreds of years before the advent of Christianity.
legendary
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January 28, 2017, 12:19:38 AM

Here's the way western Christians see Jesus or Iesous.

https://sdanotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/jesus-pic.jpg

Considering where he was born, this is what he really looked like.

http://www.shunya.net/Pictures/Syria/palmyra/BedouinMan.jpg

Check the Bible for the description of O.T. King David. He was ruddy in appearance, probably a redhead or blonde.

Jesus was a physical descendant of David's. We don't know that today's M.E. people are exemplary of people 2,000 years ago.

Cool

A redhead or a blonde in Israel?

What the fuck

Are you serious?  Cheesy

I gave you the reasoning. Bible history shows that this may easily have been so.

Cool

Bible history?  Bible is a bunch of horseshit:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1367154

You guys should take out the obvious BS.  


Why do you think like this?

The Bible is a miraculous book. It can't exist the way it does. One simple fact alone makes it virtually impossible. That fact is the writings found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Research into the Dead Sea Scrolls shows that the Old Testament was almost exactly the same 2,000 years following the time the Dead Sea Scrolls were placed in the Qumran Caves. How can this be, since the only way the later copies came into being was through people copying them? There was guidance from God to make it happen this way.

First, if the Bible were unimportant, there would have been very little copying of it. Second, if the Bible were unimportant, the copies of it after the Dead Sea Scrolls would have changed far more than the tiny bit that they did.

In addition, consider the following chart from https://noapologizing.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/more-reliable-aristotle-or-the-new-testament/:

AuthorDate WrittenNumber of CopiesAccuracy of Copies
Plato427-347 B.C.
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legendary
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January 27, 2017, 09:03:16 PM
Never mind what colour his hair was. Did he ever exist in the first place, that's the question.

Christianity was a sophisticated government propaganda exercise to pacify the subject of the Roman Empire.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2451087/American-Bible-scholar-claims-ancient-confessions-prove-story-Jesus-Christ-entirely-fabricated-Roman-aristocrats.html

* Don't bother replying BADlogic, you'll only lie anyway. Thanks. *


Very insteresting theory

But were the Jews really so important mighty Rome would have to create a religion in order to pacify them?

If so, why would there be so many banishments and murders of Christians up to 313 AC

It is more than a theory.  There is an actual physical evidence that it is true.
Titus Flavius Josephus was a real person, a first century Jewish historian.  Wrote a nice story, got a Roman citizenship, the rest is history :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U

 
https://i.imgsafe.org/bddc7023a5.png


Note how many times the guy in the video pushes his glasses back on his nose. Much of the time they didn't even need it. Is he shy and nervous? Can't he find a good optician? Doesn't he know how to adjust his own glasses by bending them a little? Maybe he would see history in a whole different light if he could just get his glasses settled onto his face.

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legendary
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January 27, 2017, 08:42:45 PM
Never mind what colour his hair was. Did he ever exist in the first place, that's the question.

Christianity was a sophisticated government propaganda exercise to pacify the subject of the Roman Empire.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2451087/American-Bible-scholar-claims-ancient-confessions-prove-story-Jesus-Christ-entirely-fabricated-Roman-aristocrats.html

* Don't bother replying BADlogic, you'll only lie anyway. Thanks. *


Very insteresting theory

But were the Jews really so important mighty Rome would have to create a religion in order to pacify them?

If so, why would there be so many banishments and murders of Christians up to 313 AC

Dumb theory under Rome the Jews were a defeated people utterly crushed not once but twice and driven into slavery and dispersed exile. For Rome the Jews were a rebellious afterthought a defeated people.

Interesting history on the Jewish rebellions against Rome:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_wars
legendary
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January 27, 2017, 08:27:11 PM

Here's the way western Christians see Jesus or Iesous.

https://sdanotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/jesus-pic.jpg

Considering where he was born, this is what he really looked like.

http://www.shunya.net/Pictures/Syria/palmyra/BedouinMan.jpg

Check the Bible for the description of O.T. King David. He was ruddy in appearance, probably a redhead or blonde.

Jesus was a physical descendant of David's. We don't know that today's M.E. people are exemplary of people 2,000 years ago.

Cool

A redhead or a blonde in Israel?

What the fuck

Are you serious?  Cheesy

I gave you the reasoning. Bible history shows that this may easily have been so.

Cool
legendary
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Freedom&Honor
January 27, 2017, 05:01:04 PM
Never mind what colour his hair was. Did he ever exist in the first place, that's the question.

Christianity was a sophisticated government propaganda exercise to pacify the subject of the Roman Empire.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2451087/American-Bible-scholar-claims-ancient-confessions-prove-story-Jesus-Christ-entirely-fabricated-Roman-aristocrats.html

* Don't bother replying BADlogic, you'll only lie anyway. Thanks. *


Very insteresting theory

But were the Jews really so important mighty Rome would have to create a religion in order to pacify them?

If so, why would there be so many banishments and murders of Christians up to 313 AC
legendary
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January 27, 2017, 04:52:20 PM
Never mind what colour his hair was. Did he ever exist in the first place, that's the question.

Christianity was a sophisticated government propaganda exercise to pacify the subject of the Roman Empire.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2451087/American-Bible-scholar-claims-ancient-confessions-prove-story-Jesus-Christ-entirely-fabricated-Roman-aristocrats.html

* Don't bother replying BADlogic, you'll only lie anyway. Thanks. *
legendary
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Freedom&Honor
January 27, 2017, 04:41:08 PM

Here's the way western Christians see Jesus or Iesous.

https://sdanotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/jesus-pic.jpg

Considering where he was born, this is what he really looked like.

http://www.shunya.net/Pictures/Syria/palmyra/BedouinMan.jpg

Check the Bible for the description of O.T. King David. He was ruddy in appearance, probably a redhead or blonde.

Jesus was a physical descendant of David's. We don't know that today's M.E. people are exemplary of people 2,000 years ago.

Cool

A redhead or a blonde in Israel?

What the fuck

Are you serious?  Cheesy
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
January 27, 2017, 04:33:31 PM

Here's the way western Christians see Jesus or Iesous.

https://sdanotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/jesus-pic.jpg

Considering where he was born, this is what he really looked like.

http://www.shunya.net/Pictures/Syria/palmyra/BedouinMan.jpg

Check the Bible for the description of O.T. King David. He was ruddy in appearance, probably a redhead or blonde.

Jesus was a physical descendant of David's. We don't know that today's M.E. people are exemplary of people 2,000 years ago.

Cool

Typical Christian, change reality to suit your prejudices and preferences.
legendary
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January 27, 2017, 03:40:28 PM

Here's the way western Christians see Jesus or Iesous.

https://sdanotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/jesus-pic.jpg

Considering where he was born, this is what he really looked like.

http://www.shunya.net/Pictures/Syria/palmyra/BedouinMan.jpg

Check the Bible for the description of O.T. King David. He was ruddy in appearance, probably a redhead or blonde.

Jesus was a physical descendant of David's. We don't know that today's M.E. people are exemplary of people 2,000 years ago.

Cool
legendary
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January 26, 2017, 08:27:17 PM
Jesus was nothing compared to this guy..

 Homeless Man Does Unbelievable Act Social Experiment - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tkVPnrj1q0

legendary
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January 26, 2017, 05:55:16 PM
Let me just clear 'god' is different from God. God is the real one who is the creator of the universe. And god'/s are the ones who are created to be worshiped by pagans and even the people today.

I think you're taking this a bit too literally. The term God and god are coined by people like you and me. It doesn't make sense to differentiate the two. The term God didn't even exist until a couple of decades back and so I don't think capitalization of the first letter would have bearing at all oh my

I found this old photo of Jesus and his Apostles. Maybe we should ask them how to spell it properly.

 

I found this photo of Mary holding her son Jesus with Mary's mother in the background.




He's a cute little boy, isn't he? Poor Mary though, still so young, and being forced into this 'being mother of the savior of the Jews stuff' is just completely unfair and wrong. Wasn't she supposed to also have had an uninterrupted life of a little girl like all the other girls?

In those ancient times the people spoke Greek so "Jesus" is a complete misnomer. His name would have been prononced "Iesous" or "Jeshua" in Hebrew, but definitely nothing at all like "Jesus".



Isn't it funny that Christians want to keep telling the story of the preteen girl that had her vagina ripped apart by the lord.

Here's the way western Christians see Jesus or Iesous.



Considering where he was born, this is what he really looked like.

sr. member
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January 26, 2017, 01:06:54 PM
Let me just clear 'god' is different from God. God is the real one who is the creator of the universe. And god'/s are the ones who are created to be worshiped by pagans and even the people today.

I think you're taking this a bit too literally. The term God and god are coined by people like you and me. It doesn't make sense to differentiate the two. The term God didn't even exist until a couple of decades back and so I don't think capitalization of the first letter would have bearing at all oh my

I found this old photo of Jesus and his Apostles. Maybe we should ask them how to spell it properly.

 

I found this photo of Mary holding her son Jesus with Mary's mother in the background.




He's a cute little boy, isn't he? Poor Mary though, still so young, and being forced into this 'being mother of the savior of the Jews stuff' is just completely unfair and wrong. Wasn't she supposed to also have had an uninterrupted life of a little girl like all the other girls?

In those ancient times the people spoke Greek so "Jesus" is a complete misnomer. His name would have been prononced "Iesous" or "Jeshua" in Hebrew, but definitely nothing at all like "Jesus".

legendary
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January 26, 2017, 12:38:01 PM

I cannot speak for the US, but here in Canada, most people enroll their kids in 'Christian/Catholic' schools because those schools have less problems with drugs and gun violence.  
The schools are not better, but they are safer.

My kids go to 'Christian' schools so are many kids from 'Muslim' and 'Buddist' families. The religion class goes until Grade 10, then the IB (International Baccalaureate) program starts.

Only hardcore religious fanatics homeschool their children.  Amish and Mennonite communities 'school' programs run until Grade 7, then kids go to work in construction, farms etc.  There are some Mennonite kids
that go to 'Mennonite University', but most end up doing menial jobs all their lives.

To teach kids at home requires a lot of effort (if you want your kids to succeed in university).  
It is easier to rely on the government school programs, teaching aids, and augment/enhance the curriculum at home as required.

Going off on a tangent and homeschool them on all the Bible nonsense and hate is just harmful, IMHO.


Safer schools that teach character education are better. Schools that do a better job teaching the basics reading, writing, arithmetic are also better. Schools better in one area but weaker in another involves trade-offs. The people best positioned to make a decision on which option is best for children are parents.

I agree that teaching kids at home requires tremendous effort if you want your kids to succeed at a university. However, it is not impossible.

I also agree that it is much easier to pool resources at a school. For parents who feel that government schools are too unsafe or too immoral most of the time the best option would be a strictly religious school. However, those are expensive and not located in every geographic area.

For parents who have the ability to home-school their children and the time, but lack the financial resources or the geography to send their children to a religious school homeschooling is a rational choice and there is nothing wrong with it.

Obvious we agree that if parents are not capable of education their children on the basics to at least to the level of a below average traditional school they should not be homeschooling. The purpose of standardized testing for home-schooled children is to intercede in these cases.
  

legendary
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January 26, 2017, 12:35:39 PM
Let me just clear 'god' is different from God. God is the real one who is the creator of the universe. And god'/s are the ones who are created to be worshiped by pagans and even the people today.

I think you're taking this a bit too literally. The term God and god are coined by people like you and me. It doesn't make sense to differentiate the two. The term God didn't even exist until a couple of decades back and so I don't think capitalization of the first letter would have bearing at all oh my

I found this old photo of Jesus and his Apostles. Maybe we should ask them how to spell it properly.

 

I found this photo of Mary holding her son Jesus with Mary's mother in the background.

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January 26, 2017, 12:10:25 PM
Let me just clear 'god' is different from God. God is the real one who is the creator of the universe. And god'/s are the ones who are created to be worshiped by pagans and even the people today.

I think you're taking this a bit too literally. The term God and god are coined by people like you and me. It doesn't make sense to differentiate the two. The term God didn't even exist until a couple of decades back and so I don't think capitalization of the first letter would have bearing at all oh my
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January 26, 2017, 09:52:43 AM
Let me just clear 'god' is different from God. God is the real one who is the creator of the universe. And god'/s are the ones who are created to be worshiped by pagans and even the people today.
legendary
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January 26, 2017, 09:25:40 AM

I think such parents are just being selfish.  Overprotective, they just want to keep kids at home.

This form of abuse should be illegal.

I think parents are trying to do what they feel is best for their children. Empowering the state to override parental will should only be done in clear and extreme cases of abuse.

This is not one of those situations.

Homeschooled children are required to take regular exams to show they are learning and receiving an education. If their performance is too poor they have to return to traditional schooling.

That is a reasonable compromise.

Also reasonable are school voucher programs that allow parents to pull out of bad public schools and enroll in private or religious schools.
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