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There is no creation without a mastermind or someone with the bigger picture
The Bible is a book of facts. As science theory expands into belief in things that are not fact (science theory), the Bible certainly is NOT a book of science. Science is becoming a religion of science fiction, all because of faith in theory which is not fact.
EDIT: Thank you guys, again, for helping to show the foolishness of science-theory-religion... that it is not factual until it has become science law.
If the Bible is a book of facts, then let us look at these "facts".
As your bible states:
"God creates Adam and Eve"
Adam and Eve have Children
These children grow into adults and have their own children.
As you need both male and female to produce children.... Adam and Eve's family commit incest.
Your Bible states:
Leviticus 18:6: “None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord."
So as Badecker has stated the Bible is a book of facts, he obviously believes in incest.
BADecker, you are sick!
EDIT: Thank you BADecker, again, for helping to show the foolishness of religion.
You intentionally forget to mention that the world shortly after the Beginning was extremely much healthier than it was at the time Leviticus was written. Only after hundreds of years of intentional corruption by people, was it that the strength to repair their genetic flaws, naturally, finally left them.
Thanks again for showing that you are deliberately trying to corrupt yourself and your hearers further.
The Bible is a book of facts. As science theory expands into belief in things that are not fact (science theory), the Bible certainly is NOT a book of science. Science is becoming a religion of science fiction, all because of faith in theory which is not fact.
EDIT: Thank you guys, again, for helping to show the foolishness of science-theory-religion... that it is not factual until it has become science law.
If the Bible is a book of facts, then let us look at these "facts".
As your bible states:
"God creates Adam and Eve"
Adam and Eve have Children
These children grow into adults and have their own children.
As you need both male and female to produce children.... Adam and Eve's family commit incest.
Your Bible states:
Leviticus 18:6: “None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord."
So as Badecker has stated the Bible is a book of facts, he obviously believes in incest.
BADecker, you are sick!
EDIT: Thank you BADecker, again, for helping to show the foolishness of religion.
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We will know who this originator is in the near future
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If the dumb shit got trapped we humans will un trap the originator and find out what it wanted to do..
My bets it has nothing to do with the bible..I.E man like being went zap and made it so.
Even the rib thing is a bit hard to swallow
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Video for Hubble Deep Field" Amazing Images(full documentary)HD▶ 46:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY9H7zAofmA
We will know who this originator is in the near future
..If the dumb shit got trapped we humans will un trap the originator and find out what it wanted to do..
My bets it has nothing to do with the bible..I.E man like being went zap and made it so.
Even the rib thing is a bit hard to swallow
.The might-be "Originator(s)" might have made some initial calculations on setting forces (gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear) into motion with mass and energy added into the mix, coupled with an pre-disposed expansion of space and time movement. Many many many years ago in a bygone era, before all bygone eras, this supposed "Originator(s)", who existed in a different kind of time, not this time our universe has, thought that a vast expansion was doable. The whole thing had to be very precise, since certain constants of this universe were to be set as well. The trick was to fine-tune the whole thing so the operating principles of that other "universe" (for lack of better word), which actually is (was) very very different than this universe and its principles, didn't get mixed in with this particular universe of which we are a minute part. There was an inflection point, where the operating principles of this other "universe" induced the circumstances necessary to get this universe going.
The initial calculations were calculated and then the "Originator(s)" went ahead and Banged this Universe. Something went very wrong however, and the Bang was far greater than what the calculations indicated it to be. In fact the Bang was so Big, that the "Originator(s)" (who planned on being present in this Universe where we now live (although much later of course)), got SHOT BACK across the inflection point between this Universe and the other "universe" and unfortunately are now trapped in the other "universe". Because of the particularity of the universal principles built into this universe, as was planned in the calculations before making it happen, the process is not reversible in between cycles. (A cycle is in fact the actual lifespan of a universe, before another universe is constructed).
So poor old "Originator(s)" is now lost in the other "universe" and sort of trapped over there (in the sense of not being able to be present here). Only after this cycle is finished will "Originator(s)" be able to be present. This is also the reason why this universe feels like a clockwork universe, like its all grand and sophisticated and such, but there isn't a satisfying connection between the human species and the "Originator(s)".
In the mean time, humans do all kinds of weird things to try and sort things out over here on Earth, and to try and get a grip on who, how, when and where. Things turned out a bit of a mess with lots of problems arising and everyone tries his best to show how correct he is in his position of how things work.
I just feel so sad for the "Originator(s)", being trapped in that other "universe" and not able to be here and enjoy and directly influence what is going on here on Earth in a positive manner. Things would have been better had that been the case. At least I know that that was the intention. It was in the planning but a awful miscalculation changed everything from that point on. The wait is so long to get things back to the way it was supposed to be. Unfortunately we will all be long gone by that time.
..The Originator..I built a ladder and then dug a hole when i fell in i could climb out
..The human 
The might-be "Originator(s)" might have made some initial calculations on setting forces (gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear) into motion with mass and energy added into the mix, coupled with an pre-disposed expansion of space and time movement. Many many many years ago in a bygone era, before all bygone eras, this supposed "Originator(s)", who existed in a different kind of time, not this time our universe has, thought that a vast expansion was doable. The whole thing had to be very precise, since certain constants of this universe were to be set as well. The trick was to fine-tune the whole thing so the operating principles of that other "universe" (for lack of better word), which actually is (was) very very different than this universe and its principles, didn't get mixed in with this particular universe of which we are a minute part. There was an inflection point, where the operating principles of this other "universe" induced the circumstances necessary to get this universe going.
The initial calculations were calculated and then the "Originator(s)" went ahead and Banged this Universe. Something went very wrong however, and the Bang was far greater than what the calculations indicated it to be. In fact the Bang was so Big, that the "Originator(s)" (who planned on being present in this Universe where we now live (although much later of course)), got SHOT BACK across the inflection point between this Universe and the other "universe" and unfortunately are now trapped in the other "universe". Because of the particularity of the universal principles built into this universe, as was planned in the calculations before making it happen, the process is not reversible in between cycles. (A cycle is in fact the actual lifespan of a universe, before another universe is constructed).
So poor old "Originator(s)" is now lost in the other "universe" and sort of trapped over there (in the sense of not being able to be present here). Only after this cycle is finished will "Originator(s)" be able to be present. This is also the reason why this universe feels like a clockwork universe, like its all grand and sophisticated and such, but there isn't a satisfying connection between the human species and the "Originator(s)".
In the mean time, humans do all kinds of weird things to try and sort things out over here on Earth, and to try and get a grip on who, how, when and where. Things turned out a bit of a mess with lots of problems arising and everyone tries his best to show how correct he is in his position of how things work.
I just feel so sad for the "Originator(s)", being trapped in that other "universe" and not able to be here and enjoy and directly influence what is going on here on Earth in a positive manner. Things would have been better had that been the case. At least I know that that was the intention. It was in the planning but a awful miscalculation changed everything from that point on. The wait is so long to get things back to the way it was supposed to be. Unfortunately we will all be long gone by that time.
It seems to me that religion is the continuation of the policy of the state. I doubt that the presidents of the great powers genuinely believe in God, but they maintain the existence of religion and even exempt from tax.
The Bible is the best information we have. It is records, faithfully copied and handed down over thousands of years. The faithfulness of the Bible is shown by the Dead Sea Scrolls. The people who wrote the Bible did it because something miraculous was happening to them and in their lives. The Bible is the best record of the past that we have.
Neal Adams talks about and has made videos about the Pangea of the earth, and that the earth was divide over millions of years, into the continents that exist now. However, he doesn't have any factual basis for the time that he says it took. From Genesis 10:25
Neal Adams talks about and has made videos about the Pangea of the earth, and that the earth was divide over millions of years, into the continents that exist now. However, he doesn't have any factual basis for the time that he says it took. From Genesis 10:25
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Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.
Science is the best information we have, not something some people wrote in Constantinipole if the 4th century AD.
It's funny that people want to trust things written in a book by poorly educated superstitious tribal people thousands of years ago but they don't trust things in a book written by well educated people that are still alive and can be questioned.
You might enjoy the comparison of intelligence to Christianity in countries.
The intelligence scores came from work carried out earlier this decade by Richard Lynn, a British psychologist, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish political scientist, who analysed IQ studies from 113 countries, and from subsequent work by Jelte Wicherts, a Dutch psychologist.
Countries are ranked highest to lowest national IQ score.
country/IQ score
Singapore 108
South Korea 106
Japan 105
Italy 102
Iceland 101
Mongolia 101
Switzerland 101
Austria 100
Luxembourg 100
Netherlands 100
Norway 100
United Kingdom 100
Belgium 99
Canada 99
Estonia 99
Finland 99
New Zealand 99
Poland 99
Sweden 99
Andorra 98
Australia 98
Czech Republic 98
Denmark 98
France 98
Hungary 98
Latvia 98
Spain 98
Belarus 97
Malta 97
Russia 97
Ukraine 97
Germany 96
Moldova 96
Slovakia 96
Slovenia 96
Uruguay 96
Israel 95
Portugal 95
Armenia 94
China 93
United States 92
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Mexico 86
Brazil 86
Philippines 86
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Congo, Republic of the 76
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Nigeria 69
Ethiopia Untested
The Bible is the best information we have. It is records, faithfully copied and handed down over thousands of years. The faithfulness of the Bible is shown by the Dead Sea Scrolls. The people who wrote the Bible did it because something miraculous was happening to them and in their lives. The Bible is the best record of the past that we have.
Neal Adams talks about and has made videos about the Pangea of the earth, and that the earth was divide over millions of years, into the continents that exist now. However, he doesn't have any factual basis for the time that he says it took. From Genesis 10:25
Neal Adams talks about and has made videos about the Pangea of the earth, and that the earth was divide over millions of years, into the continents that exist now. However, he doesn't have any factual basis for the time that he says it took. From Genesis 10:25
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Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.
Science is the best information we have, not something some people wrote in Constantinipole if the 4th century AD.
It's funny that people want to trust things written in a book by poorly educated superstitious tribal people thousands of years ago but they don't trust things in a book written by well educated people that are still alive and can be questioned.
The Bible is the best information we have. It is records, faithfully copied and handed down over thousands of years. The faithfulness of the Bible is shown by the Dead Sea Scrolls. The people who wrote the Bible did it because something miraculous was happening to them and in their lives. The Bible is the best record of the past that we have.
Neal Adams talks about and has made videos about the Pangea of the earth, and that the earth was divide over millions of years, into the continents that exist now. However, he doesn't have any factual basis for the time that he says it took. From Genesis 10:25
Neal Adams talks about and has made videos about the Pangea of the earth, and that the earth was divide over millions of years, into the continents that exist now. However, he doesn't have any factual basis for the time that he says it took. From Genesis 10:25
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Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.
Science is the best information we have, not something some people wrote in Constantinipole if the 4th century AD.
It's funny that people want to trust things written in a book by poorly educated superstitious tribal people thousands of years ago but they don't trust things in a book written by well educated people that are still alive and can be questioned.
The Bible is the best information we have. It is records, faithfully copied and handed down over thousands of years. The faithfulness of the Bible is shown by the Dead Sea Scrolls. The people who wrote the Bible did it because something miraculous was happening to them and in their lives. The Bible is the best record of the past that we have.
Neal Adams talks about and has made videos about the Pangea of the earth, and that the earth was divide over millions of years, into the continents that exist now. However, he doesn't have any factual basis for the time that he says it took. From Genesis 10:25
Neal Adams talks about and has made videos about the Pangea of the earth, and that the earth was divide over millions of years, into the continents that exist now. However, he doesn't have any factual basis for the time that he says it took. From Genesis 10:25
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Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.
Science is the best information we have, not something some people wrote in Constantinipole if the 4th century AD.
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Like I said the Bible is not a book of scientific facts. And also I said that only God can answer the work of God. If you have problems when was the world created, did God create the universe in 6 days, did God create man from dirt, Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adams rib or bone, my answer is simple you ask God. I was not there when God created the world and Adam. If I were a God I can answer you but I am not. And another thing do not read the bible literally like science books does, the bible is more complicated since it is a compilation of the works of different cultures that is so different from us.
Like I said the Bible is not a book of scientific facts. And also I said that only God can answer the work of God. If you have problems when was the world created, did God create the universe in 6 days, did God create man from dirt, Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adams rib or bone, my answer is simple you ask God. I was not there when God created the world and Adam. If I were a God I can answer you but I am not. And another thing do not read the bible literally like science books does, the bible is more complicated since it is a compilation of the works of different cultures that is so different from us.
Can you ask God to answer it here, right here on this forum? I don't see or hear ghosts, devils and
Gods. I am sane.
If you can talk to God you are religious (medical term), if God talks back to you, you are insane.
So you admit that Bible is scientifically inaccurate, right? Bible said that God created Eve from Adam's rib. So, do YOU believe it happened like the BIBLE says?
If you do, you are a bronze age moron.
The Bible is a book of facts. As science theory expands into belief in things that are not fact (science theory), the Bible certainly is NOT a book of science. Science is becoming a religion of science fiction, all because of faith in theory which is not fact.
EDIT: Thank you guys, again, for helping to show the foolishness of science-theory-religion... that it is not factual until it has become science law.
So the answer to the following questions is YES!
Was the Earth created by God 6000-7000 years ago?
Was the universe created by God in 6 days?
Did God create man from dirt?
Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adam's rib bone?
Say it, I dare you.
If I said "yes," it would be by faith rather than out of knowledge. The interesting part is that we have no knowledge that counters the Bible. This means that everyone who contradicts what the Bible says, is doing it by faith, as well. Science-theory-religion.
The Bible is the best information we have. It is records, faithfully copied and handed down over thousands of years. The faithfulness of the Bible is shown by the Dead Sea Scrolls. The people who wrote the Bible did it because something miraculous was happening to them and in their lives. The Bible is the best record of the past that we have.
Neal Adams talks about and has made videos about the Pangea of the earth, and that the earth was divide over millions of years, into the continents that exist now. However, he doesn't have any factual basis for the time that he says it took. From Genesis 10:25
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Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.
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Like I said the Bible is not a book of scientific facts. And also I said that only God can answer the work of God. If you have problems when was the world created, did God create the universe in 6 days, did God create man from dirt, Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adams rib or bone, my answer is simple you ask God. I was not there when God created the world and Adam. If I were a God I can answer you but I am not. And another thing do not read the bible literally like science books does, the bible is more complicated since it is a compilation of the works of different cultures that is so different from us.
Like I said the Bible is not a book of scientific facts. And also I said that only God can answer the work of God. If you have problems when was the world created, did God create the universe in 6 days, did God create man from dirt, Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adams rib or bone, my answer is simple you ask God. I was not there when God created the world and Adam. If I were a God I can answer you but I am not. And another thing do not read the bible literally like science books does, the bible is more complicated since it is a compilation of the works of different cultures that is so different from us.
Can you ask God to answer it here, right here on this forum? I don't see or hear ghosts, devils and
Gods. I am sane.
If you can talk to God you are religious (medical term), if God talks back to you, you are insane.
So you admit that Bible is scientifically inaccurate, right? Bible said that God created Eve from Adam's rib. So, do YOU believe it happened like the BIBLE says?
If you do, you are a bronze age moron.
The Bible is a book of facts. As science theory expands into belief in things that are not fact (science theory), the Bible certainly is NOT a book of science. Science is becoming a religion of science fiction, all because of faith in theory which is not fact.
EDIT: Thank you guys, again, for helping to show the foolishness of science-theory-religion... that it is not factual until it has become science law.
So the answer to the following questions is YES!
Was the Earth created by God 6000-7000 years ago?
Was the universe created by God in 6 days?
Did God create man from dirt?
Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adam's rib bone?
Say it, I dare you.
If I said "yes," it would be by faith rather than out of knowledge. The interesting part is that we have no knowledge that counters the Bible. This means that everyone who contradicts what the Bible says, is doing it by faith, as well. Science-theory-religion.
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Like I said the Bible is not a book of scientific facts. And also I said that only God can answer the work of God. If you have problems when was the world created, did God create the universe in 6 days, did God create man from dirt, Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adams rib or bone, my answer is simple you ask God. I was not there when God created the world and Adam. If I were a God I can answer you but I am not. And another thing do not read the bible literally like science books does, the bible is more complicated since it is a compilation of the works of different cultures that is so different from us.
Like I said the Bible is not a book of scientific facts. And also I said that only God can answer the work of God. If you have problems when was the world created, did God create the universe in 6 days, did God create man from dirt, Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adams rib or bone, my answer is simple you ask God. I was not there when God created the world and Adam. If I were a God I can answer you but I am not. And another thing do not read the bible literally like science books does, the bible is more complicated since it is a compilation of the works of different cultures that is so different from us.
Can you ask God to answer it here, right here on this forum? I don't see or hear ghosts, devils and
Gods. I am sane.
If you can talk to God you are religious (medical term), if God talks back to you, you are insane.
So you admit that Bible is scientifically inaccurate, right? Bible said that God created Eve from Adam's rib. So, do YOU believe it happened like the BIBLE says?
If you do, you are a bronze age moron.
The Bible is a book of facts. As science theory expands into belief in things that are not fact (science theory), the Bible certainly is NOT a book of science. Science is becoming a religion of science fiction, all because of faith in theory which is not fact.
EDIT: Thank you guys, again, for helping to show the foolishness of science-theory-religion... that it is not factual until it has become science law.
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Like I said the Bible is not a book of scientific facts. And also I said that only God can answer the work of God. If you have problems when was the world created, did God create the universe in 6 days, did God create man from dirt, Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adams rib or bone, my answer is simple you ask God. I was not there when God created the world and Adam. If I were a God I can answer you but I am not. And another thing do not read the bible literally like science books does, the bible is more complicated since it is a compilation of the works of different cultures that is so different from us.
Like I said the Bible is not a book of scientific facts. And also I said that only God can answer the work of God. If you have problems when was the world created, did God create the universe in 6 days, did God create man from dirt, Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adams rib or bone, my answer is simple you ask God. I was not there when God created the world and Adam. If I were a God I can answer you but I am not. And another thing do not read the bible literally like science books does, the bible is more complicated since it is a compilation of the works of different cultures that is so different from us.
Can you ask God to answer it here, right here on this forum? I don't see or hear ghosts, devils and
Gods. I am sane.
If you can talk to God you are religious (medical term), if God talks back to you, you are insane.
So you admit that Bible is scientifically inaccurate, right? Bible said that God created Eve from Adam's rib. So, do YOU believe it happened like the BIBLE says?
If you do, you are a bronze age moron.
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Answer this:
Was the Earth created by God 6000-7000 years ago?
Was the universe created by God in 6 days?
Did God create man from dirt?
Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adam's rib bone?
If the answer to any of the above is a resounding YES, then we have nothing to talk about. You just need to double your medication and stay away from guns or heavy machinery.
Answer this:
Was the Earth created by God 6000-7000 years ago?
Was the universe created by God in 6 days?
Did God create man from dirt?
Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adam's rib bone?
If the answer to any of the above is a resounding YES, then we have nothing to talk about. You just need to double your medication and stay away from guns or heavy machinery.
There are two more school of thoughts agnostic and gnostic.
* Those who believe God require to "believe" in things/explanation mentioned religious book. To accept something without any proof without verification is to Believe. This causes problem for people who have habit of logical thinking and verification. All religions have different set of believe about God and relation of God with other.
* Those who don't believe in God doesn't have explanation or answer for many phenomenon like How universe was created exactly. Interestingly those who accept this that they don't have definitive answer and are working on the same.
Watching or reading George Carlin helps in solving majority Whether God exists or not.
I like his comparison of God to Joe Pesi.
Every time I comment on this thread the first person to respond to me thinks that I'm talking about Christianity and the god that they recognize, and it pisses me off. I'm not talking about Christianity, Islam, or fucking Hinduism. I'm talking about the idea of some sort of higher power/being or "god", and the absolute fact that you cannot say for certain as you proclaim there is a god or there is no god.
Please, please, please read this. Stop right now and take away all of your preconceptions about me, religion and agnosticism. Please just read this devoid of emotion and tell me if it doesn't make sense.
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Agnosticism, in fact, is not a creed, but a method, the essence of which lies in the rigorous application of a single principle. That principle is of great antiquity; it is as old as Socrates; as old as the writer who said, 'Try all things, hold fast by that which is good'; it is the foundation of the Reformation, which simply illustrated the axiom that every man should be able to give a reason for the faith that is in him, it is the great principle of Descartes; it is the fundamental axiom of modern science. Positively the principle may be expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic position, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.
The results of the working out of the agnostic principle will vary according to individual knowledge and capacity, and according to the general condition of science. That which is unproved today may be proved, by the help of new discoveries, tomorrow. The only negative fixed points will be those negations which flow from the demonstrable limitation of our faculties. And the only obligation accepted is to have the mind always open to conviction.
That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.”
― Thomas Henry Huxley
The results of the working out of the agnostic principle will vary according to individual knowledge and capacity, and according to the general condition of science. That which is unproved today may be proved, by the help of new discoveries, tomorrow. The only negative fixed points will be those negations which flow from the demonstrable limitation of our faculties. And the only obligation accepted is to have the mind always open to conviction.
That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.”
― Thomas Henry Huxley
My beliefs are solely based off the logic that is explained in this quote. Please don't call yourself an atheist (as I'm assuming you do) and instead take to the agnostic position, as any logical person would have to do.
It's a beautiful philosophy to live by:
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In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic position, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.
Do not twist the issue. There is absolutely no evidence that any supernatural being exists or ever existed. All the religious dogmas are just pure, utter nonsense.
If you want to have an honest, philosophical discussion about 'higher power/force', ok, fine here is one thing you have to remember:
There is no time for 'God' to exist in before the Big Bang. So rest assured there is no God before the Big Bang.
And nobody ever detected any 'God/higher power' in this reality, so whatever you are basing your 'agnostic' position on is based on your dreams and wishful thinking.
You didn't acknowledge what I said. Please read again.
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In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable.
Just because it's never been detected doesn't mean no one ever will. That's just common sense, right? Nothing is ever discovered until it's... discovered, no? Also, your assumption about the big bang being the very beginning is only that... an assumption. Others have made assumptions too that go against that theory.
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/september/13-starting-point
I do not believe in big bang theory. Can you prove to me that it is true ? Are you there when it happened? There is more truth in the bible than your big bang theory. The reason why God cannot be proven by science is because we are not god. Only God can prove that he is God. Bible is not a book of reason and scientific discovery it is a book of faith.
Answer this:
Was the Earth created by God 6000-7000 years ago?
Was the universe created by God in 6 days?
Did God create man from dirt?
Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adam's rib bone?
If the answer to any of the above is a resounding YES, then we have nothing to talk about. You just need to double your medication and stay away from guns or heavy machinery.
Like I said the Bible is not a book of scientific facts. And also I said that only God can answer the work of God. If you have problems when was the world created, did God create the universe in 6 days, did God create man from dirt, Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adams rib or bone, my answer is simple you ask God. I was not there when God created the world and Adam. If I were a God I can answer you but I am not. And another thing do not read the bible literally like science books does, the bible is more complicated since it is a compilation of the works of different cultures that is so different from us.
Just like on the bible says, we all that faith on our own minds, God only the one who created the mother earth, as we all say, God created us, but we have a lot of God, there is a lot of religious group, and a lot of faith who will be the God.
I believe because I was in the Earth and the world that created by God. because I think all of this cannot be made by human beings and created without God.
I am sure that there is no God. If we assume that the world was created by God, man is the worst parasite that destroys the world. You heal when sick. Why your God never heals the planet. The answer is one because it is not!therefore man should keep this planet in order to last longer. such as reducing pollution or other things that can make this planet is quickly destroyed.
Every time I comment on this thread the first person to respond to me thinks that I'm talking about Christianity and the god that they recognize, and it pisses me off. I'm not talking about Christianity, Islam, or fucking Hinduism. I'm talking about the idea of some sort of higher power/being or "god", and the absolute fact that you cannot say for certain as you proclaim there is a god or there is no god.
Please, please, please read this. Stop right now and take away all of your preconceptions about me, religion and agnosticism. Please just read this devoid of emotion and tell me if it doesn't make sense.
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Agnosticism, in fact, is not a creed, but a method, the essence of which lies in the rigorous application of a single principle. That principle is of great antiquity; it is as old as Socrates; as old as the writer who said, 'Try all things, hold fast by that which is good'; it is the foundation of the Reformation, which simply illustrated the axiom that every man should be able to give a reason for the faith that is in him, it is the great principle of Descartes; it is the fundamental axiom of modern science. Positively the principle may be expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic position, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.
The results of the working out of the agnostic principle will vary according to individual knowledge and capacity, and according to the general condition of science. That which is unproved today may be proved, by the help of new discoveries, tomorrow. The only negative fixed points will be those negations which flow from the demonstrable limitation of our faculties. And the only obligation accepted is to have the mind always open to conviction.
That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.”
― Thomas Henry Huxley
The results of the working out of the agnostic principle will vary according to individual knowledge and capacity, and according to the general condition of science. That which is unproved today may be proved, by the help of new discoveries, tomorrow. The only negative fixed points will be those negations which flow from the demonstrable limitation of our faculties. And the only obligation accepted is to have the mind always open to conviction.
That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.”
― Thomas Henry Huxley
My beliefs are solely based off the logic that is explained in this quote. Please don't call yourself an atheist (as I'm assuming you do) and instead take to the agnostic position, as any logical person would have to do.
It's a beautiful philosophy to live by:
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In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic position, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.
Do not twist the issue. There is absolutely no evidence that any supernatural being exists or ever existed. All the religious dogmas are just pure, utter nonsense.
If you want to have an honest, philosophical discussion about 'higher power/force', ok, fine here is one thing you have to remember:
There is no time for 'God' to exist in before the Big Bang. So rest assured there is no God before the Big Bang.
And nobody ever detected any 'God/higher power' in this reality, so whatever you are basing your 'agnostic' position on is based on your dreams and wishful thinking.
You didn't acknowledge what I said. Please read again.
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In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable.
Just because it's never been detected doesn't mean no one ever will. That's just common sense, right? Nothing is ever discovered until it's... discovered, no? Also, your assumption about the big bang being the very beginning is only that... an assumption. Others have made assumptions too that go against that theory.
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/september/13-starting-point
I do not believe in big bang theory. Can you prove to me that it is true ? Are you there when it happened? There is more truth in the bible than your big bang theory. The reason why God cannot be proven by science is because we are not god. Only God can prove that he is God. Bible is not a book of reason and scientific discovery it is a book of faith.
Answer this:
Was the Earth created by God 6000-7000 years ago?
Was the universe created by God in 6 days?
Did God create man from dirt?
Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adam's rib bone?
If the answer to any of the above is a resounding YES, then we have nothing to talk about. You just need to double your medication and stay away from guns or heavy machinery.
Like I said the Bible is not a book of scientific facts. And also I said that only God can answer the work of God. If you have problems when was the world created, did God create the universe in 6 days, did God create man from dirt, Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adams rib or bone, my answer is simple you ask God. I was not there when God created the world and Adam. If I were a God I can answer you but I am not. And another thing do not read the bible literally like science books does, the bible is more complicated since it is a compilation of the works of different cultures that is so different from us.
Every time I comment on this thread the first person to respond to me thinks that I'm talking about Christianity and the god that they recognize, and it pisses me off. I'm not talking about Christianity, Islam, or fucking Hinduism. I'm talking about the idea of some sort of higher power/being or "god", and the absolute fact that you cannot say for certain as you proclaim there is a god or there is no god.
Please, please, please read this. Stop right now and take away all of your preconceptions about me, religion and agnosticism. Please just read this devoid of emotion and tell me if it doesn't make sense.
Quote
Agnosticism, in fact, is not a creed, but a method, the essence of which lies in the rigorous application of a single principle. That principle is of great antiquity; it is as old as Socrates; as old as the writer who said, 'Try all things, hold fast by that which is good'; it is the foundation of the Reformation, which simply illustrated the axiom that every man should be able to give a reason for the faith that is in him, it is the great principle of Descartes; it is the fundamental axiom of modern science. Positively the principle may be expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic position, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.
The results of the working out of the agnostic principle will vary according to individual knowledge and capacity, and according to the general condition of science. That which is unproved today may be proved, by the help of new discoveries, tomorrow. The only negative fixed points will be those negations which flow from the demonstrable limitation of our faculties. And the only obligation accepted is to have the mind always open to conviction.
That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.”
― Thomas Henry Huxley
The results of the working out of the agnostic principle will vary according to individual knowledge and capacity, and according to the general condition of science. That which is unproved today may be proved, by the help of new discoveries, tomorrow. The only negative fixed points will be those negations which flow from the demonstrable limitation of our faculties. And the only obligation accepted is to have the mind always open to conviction.
That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.”
― Thomas Henry Huxley
My beliefs are solely based off the logic that is explained in this quote. Please don't call yourself an atheist (as I'm assuming you do) and instead take to the agnostic position, as any logical person would have to do.
It's a beautiful philosophy to live by:
Quote
In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic position, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.
Do not twist the issue. There is absolutely no evidence that any supernatural being exists or ever existed. All the religious dogmas are just pure, utter nonsense.
If you want to have an honest, philosophical discussion about 'higher power/force', ok, fine here is one thing you have to remember:
There is no time for 'God' to exist in before the Big Bang. So rest assured there is no God before the Big Bang.
And nobody ever detected any 'God/higher power' in this reality, so whatever you are basing your 'agnostic' position on is based on your dreams and wishful thinking.
You didn't acknowledge what I said. Please read again.
Quote
In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable.
Just because it's never been detected doesn't mean no one ever will. That's just common sense, right? Nothing is ever discovered until it's... discovered, no? Also, your assumption about the big bang being the very beginning is only that... an assumption. Others have made assumptions too that go against that theory.
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/september/13-starting-point
I do not believe in big bang theory. Can you prove to me that it is true ? Are you there when it happened? There is more truth in the bible than your big bang theory. The reason why God cannot be proven by science is because we are not god. Only God can prove that he is God. Bible is not a book of reason and scientific discovery it is a book of faith.
Answer this:
Was the Earth created by God 6000-7000 years ago?
Was the universe created by God in 6 days?
Did God create man from dirt?
Did God create the first woman (Eve) from Adam's rib bone?
If the answer to any of the above is a resounding YES, then we have nothing to talk about. You just need to double your medication and stay away from guns or heavy machinery.
There are two more school of thoughts agnostic and gnostic.
* Those who believe God require to "believe" in things/explanation mentioned religious book. To accept something without any proof without verification is to Believe. This causes problem for people who have habit of logical thinking and verification. All religions have different set of believe about God and relation of God with other.
* Those who don't believe in God doesn't have explanation or answer for many phenomenon like How universe was created exactly. Interestingly those who accept this that they don't have definitive answer and are working on the same.
Watching or reading George Carlin helps in solving majority Whether God exists or not.
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