Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 106. (Read 20317 times)

funny part is that the reason the vaccine needs to be frozen is because it doesnt contain the adjuvants..
oops did i just debunk you again.. oh well

another funny part is getting infected by a wild virus is more dangerous. not only a higher risk to you but you then spread it to others
a vaccine has a 1 in a million chance of a allergic reaction.. a wild virus has a 0.1 - 5% of killing someone
meaning the wild virus is more dangerous.
vaccine do not 'spread' meaning you then dont even have the risk of killing someone else via proximity. so again vaccines are safer for those around you.

i know you keep wanting to refer to debunked conspiracy about mercury and monkey kidneys and autism but they all got debunked decades ago..
its time you realise that facts and science have moved passed your outdated and debunked opinion. and time you moved forward too.
stop referencing conspiracy scripts as your info source


lastly.
those that do have a low viral load(asymptomatic) wild virus infection. some have got infected again separetely months later. so again no proof of a safe wild infection can give lasting immunity.
if you were to risk a high viral load wild virus infection. expect the consequences of symptoms that come with fighting it off.. but still no proof of lasting protection long term

a vaccine does not replicate, meaning it wont overwhelm your system like a virus does.

I'm not sure of that.  Many of my family are on the higher side in terms of intellectual capabilities (pilots, graduate degree holders, professors, etc) but they are utterly unaware of almost any of the possible problems with the vaccine or any debate about how dire the 'pandemic' is, the usefulness of masks and social distancing, etc.  They get most of their 'news' and 'understandings' from NPR and scientism rags like 'New Scientist' and consider themselves well informed.

The most interesting observation to me (a life-time NPR listener myself) is that there is a particular cadence to their their programming.  I recognize it within a second or two if I spin the radio dial no matter what the content is.  What has happened seems to be that my family is unable to intake information which is not delivered with some of these characteristics.

A similar phenomenon seems to hold for written text.  And they are absolutely allergic to anything which might resemble deviations from current notions of political correctness.  Debate and dispute is allowed, but it must be carefully choreographed and adhere to what seems to be some sort of a ritualized non-aggression protocol.

Any information which is not recognized as supported by 'their side' and which somehow makes it through is almost always labeled a 'Trump thing' or 'white supremacist' or whatever and quickly rejected with no consideration whatsoever.

In short, I fear that the what you describe as 'their actions' will probably go mostly unrecognized and this will NOT strengthen whatever doubt people might have.  If any.  OK, that's the 'Left Wing Liberal side.'  Fine.  My observations are that the 'right wing conservative' side is not much different in their understandings of the world.  They may be a little more open to receiving information in different delivery forms, but apparently not very much, or they have some comparable deficiencies which keep them similarly boxed in, and the 'consensus' on most of the 'facts' about the plandemic are nearly identical.

Edit:  I stopped listening to NPR after the fraudulent election which saw Bush Jr. installed.  So, around Y2K.  But I can still pattern match to almost any NPR programming, and almost instantly.

geez, I can see the motive of their action is that for the media to not spread an awareness news regarding the vaccine that might reduce the trust of the citizens from it. But their actions just strengthen the doubt regarding the virus.

You won't find much, and even less going forward:

  https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/11/reports/us-uk-intel-agencies-declare-cyber-war-on-independent-media/

The forced vaccination campaigns are military operations in many countries so it comes as little surprise that censorship campaigns sold as necessarily 'fighting terrorism' were re-purposed to fight vaccine hesitancy first.  But it won't be long before anything not authorized by the state is subject to such attack.

Gee, who could have seen this coming?!?

The vaccinations were supposed to be started in my country at the end of next year, but now they postponed the date until after Christmas. It seems that the drug is still not approved on a national level from the government health agency I am remaining positive that the vaccine could finally stop the spread of corona. But I am reading carefully any news regarding the side effects of the vaccine and long term implications.

things to note

safety:
many people think news of 'pfizer imdemnified of legal actions' means if the vaccine causes issues people have no redress..
this is wrong. people actually have an easier method. their government will take on the liability.
in the UK there is the:
Vaccine Damages Payments Act.
.. fun fact. in the last decade there have been only 14 payments released. this is because there have been only 14 cases where a vaccine of any kind in the last decade caused severe adverse effects.
thats a 1 in multiple million risk.
the adverse reaction for any vaccine is usually an unpredictable allergic reaction of 0.0000001% risk

why is this method better?
if you ever tried to sue a company in international court. your head will be butting walls for years. however claiming via a government liability scheme or your healthcare provider locally is faster/easier for all those involved.

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the reason for the indemnification. well it costs companies alot in insurance premiums which trickle down to higher medical product cost. so again it makes it cheaper for government to buy the vaccine because of less costs.
also an insurance company would only underwrite a policy if it had full long term study results. meaning a vaccine company would not even be able to produce mass doses for public use for years.
so again government taking on the liability to cut down on bureucracy delays.
examples are if you go to hospital and want a new medical treatment. insurance companies will deny you treatment as they would class it as 'experimental' for years


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safety:
the pfizer vaccine is the one with the least amount of adjuncts and adjuvents. its this very reason the vaccine needs to be frozen at super cold temperatures. it does not have the stabalisers and addatives. so need to be frozen to keep it stable for longer.
(like freezing organic beef, to last longer before it decays/goes off because it doesnt have preservatives)

vaccines have 100 results of 9month 1000 results of 6 months and 10000+ of 3 months that show that the vaccine itself does not cause any adverse reactions beyond the normal lowlevel stuff vaccines cause.
this is pain at the injection site. and maybe feeling tired or mild fever for a couple days.(normal low level immune response). these are expected symptoms.
yes a needle is involved. so if you fear needles. put your bigboy pants on and man-up. needles hurt, yep. get over it.

yes one person in a few million people are allergic to random strange things not popular in the allergy group
you know things like latex or even sperm. yep 1 in a few mill are allergic to sperm.
so there is always a small, very small risk of someone being allergic to some substance. but this is the same risk to food and other medicines. so not something specific to vaccines.

the cries and lies about vaccines causing autism and birth defects are just that. cries and lies.
the main attributor to birth defects is actually where the mother gives birth at a later age because the womb and ovaries function deteriorates as a women reaches a certain age meaning the older a woman is the higher the risk she has of an offspring having issues. .. nothing to do with vaccines

Now its going to be very serious issue because we have too many peoples around globe those are not feeling good with this vaccine but most chances in many countries they are going to force peoples they have to this for better way even I was checking on youtube few are saying this could be must for peoples in near future without vaccine they are not allowing to live in many cities its really rediculus what the hell they are going to do with this through this shit vaccine.

What happens if you have secondary effects in 2 or 3 years from now, who is going to be responsible for the quality of your life if you start losing your hair, get chronic fatigue, become sterile or who-knows what else? (we would know if the vaccines were really tested in the first place...)

So, don't let this conversation shift to the strawman fallacy created by the media: It is not that people against the "Coronavirus vaccine" is against all vaccines, it is just against this particular one. Also governments are not even asking people if they want to get the vaccines, they are forcing people, that is not even democracy! UK doesn't even had a referendum for this.



You trust on the engineer because he is using techniques and materials developed and tested through +100 years (concrete has more than 250 years). But you wouldn't trust him if he were using a not-tested new technique or not-tested new materials.

I think that some concerns about covid vaccine is legit. Usually, it takes years to create safe and working vaccine. Also, it can took a while to register vaccine until it will be allowed to use. While now everything happened very fast and now we're almost in a phase when vaccine will be allowed to use. It's understandable that such rush gives some concerns for people, whether vaccine will be really safe to use and it won't have side effects.

Caution is advised on blanket statements because there are several wholy different technologies in widespread use.  Adjuvants are often not used for vaccines which work by giving you either a related ailment (e.g., cowpox/smallpox) or a genetically modified variant of some virus which may contain some elements of the 'real thing' and is supposed to make a person somewhat sick fighting off the 'fake one' leaving immunity covering the 'real one' as well.


Inert placebos are almost never used with vaccine safety studies.  Doing so would result in the safety test failing because vaxxed group would drop like flies while the placebo group would be fine.  The always use as a 'placebo' a DIFFERENT vaccine.  In some of the covid vax tests they are using meningecoccal as much as they can, but Del Bigtree claims that his and Kennedy's  'ICAN', through a lawsuit, got some of the Moderna testing to be performed against inert placebo (saline.)

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I generally like the idea of letting one's own healthy immune system which, as you point out, has gotten us through millions of years.  But...it is the case that current bioengineering technology can devise goodies which can defeat nature's work.  If we allow 'leaders' who would consider the pleb classes of 'useless eaters' their enemy to do so, they will absolutely use this technology for their own ends.

Vaccines work by giving you an artificial infection, and letting your immune system recover from it. Because they bypass the normal body protection, they need adjuvants to trigger the reaction, and these often cause the side effects. The simple option is to let your normal immune system cope with the real infection, and create long term immunity.

You know the concept is flawed because trials are against placebos, and not against the real competition. This is to do nothing and let Mother Nature protect you in the way she has perfected over thousands of years of evolution.

Wrong again Bob.  The vaccine is 'successful' if it reduces the symptoms of 'covid-19'.  Like an aspirin.  It doesn't need to (and doesn't) stop people from catching and speading the virus.  In this respect it is useless for 'herd immunity' and that sort of tripe.  People still need to reach that on their own (and many/most probably already have hence the desperate fraud and mainstream media lies to try to milk this thing out.)


According to some people's religions, 'Mother GAIA' has a problem, and that problem is to many people on the earth.  The marketing propaganda on this one has been strong an large swaths of the population agrees.  Lots and lots of 'converts'.

According to others (with overlap) lower population densities are easier to manage for a variety of reason.  Less likely that your puppets are overthrown and thus resource can be extracted for less cost and risk.

That's what you GET from a VACCINE. You get from the virus from taking a vaccine, or more technically you have a very high rate of developing immunity once you're injected with a vaccine.

Do people actually think that they're going to get injected with something that is going to kill them? That would literally make the solution worse then the problem, for most people, and then it wouldn't have been approved for emergency authorization.

I understand not wanting to be one of the first few batches of people to get this vaccine. It's not like any of us normal people could do that anyway, as they're prioritizing healthcare workers and such. But I do understand wanting to see if others develop any side effects, that's totally normal. But just disregarding the whole thing for no reason is really not going to help us get out of this.

Because we don't want infection, we want immunity.

tvbcof, just to clarify my statement since you have so much to say about it:

My concern for the safety of Dr.s and scientists comes from from a StarTalk podcast where Neil DeGrasse Tyson has a guest: Dr. Paul Offit, MD, Director of the Vaccine Education Center and an attending physician in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.
My major concern is that if Neil gets vaccinated and something goes wrong down the line, he won't make it to Izzy when the moon breaks into seven pieces.

The Covid Believers have made the evil dwarf Dr. Fausti into their demigod to channel their worship through.  And Bill Gates.

If you had a coronavirus based common cold within the last few years you'll likely come up hot for so-called 'covid-19' on an antibody test.  And if you had such an infection, even if it was so mild that you didn't even know it, you probably cannot catch 'SARS-CoV-2' even if you tried.

I have tried to catch SARS-CoV-2 just going out and about and touching things.  Hard to know if I succeeded or not because it is so mild for most people that they don't know they had it.  And none of the so-called 'covid-19' test are reliable at all so even if I did want to get ripped off on such a test it would not tell me anything useful.

This thing would be totally laughable charade but for the fact that they used it to ruin millions of people's lives and small businesses and the like.  I suspect that the carnage is only the start of what these people have planned in part because they have written about what they 'need' to do for a long time and it isn't pretty.

My best guess is that there really is a 'SARS-CoV-2', it is a virus, and it does contain some 'gain of function' research.  Probably this research did happen in Wuhan, but under funding and guidance of entities including evil dwarf Fausti's NIAIA when they were banned from doing the research within CONUS.  https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/faucis-niaid-gave-3-7-million-to-wuhan-lab-to-study-coronavirus-in-bats-ben-swann-investigates/  Fortunately it seems that 'this one' would be tuned mostly to manipulate some of it's propagation parameters and not it's actual lethality.  Or else they tried to make it worse than the common cold and failed.

But fear not.  Bill Gates and his wife-thing promises a newer and better one to appear soon.

Oh my, Covid KNOWER, and Covid BELIEVER, really?

"Religion is belief in a god or gods and the activities that are connected with this belief, such as praying or worshipping in a building such as a church or temple" -collinsdictionary

Have you seen someone who worships Covid? Cause I myself haven't seen one yet. I only see people in fear of Covid, and fear doesn't translate to worship. ergo, your claim is invalid. Second, how can you say that such as yourself is a "KNOWER" when evidences, researches, and studies states that Covid is real, and critical for people who have medical conditions.

I just love how you stick with your conspiracies for the past months, and still doesn't believe for something that really exist.

^^^ A Covid believer is somebody who has turned the whole pandemic into a religion for himself. Of course, there are the high priests of that religion, like Fauci, who aren't even believers in their own religion.

Why is it that nobody talks about a Covid KNOWER? Must be because the only knowers know that there isn't any Covid, and this means that they can't know about something that doesn't exist.

People gotta remain believers. If they don't, the whole scam will disappear.

That's what the objective facts look like to me.

You are pretty typical of a 'covid-19 believer'.  A 'professional' and 'expert' who won't even use his real name when providing medical advice.

I'll stick with getting information from people like Wodarg, Ioannidis, Yeadon, who have names and reputations.  I'll avoid nameless 'experts say' types alluded to by the mainstream media or jackoffs on message boards who claim to be busy doctors while 'helping' people move BTC around.