Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 104. (Read 20577 times)

Mortality is rare in young and fit people, but it certainly is not zero. Even a mortality risk of 0.01% is a far greater risk than anything posed by this vaccine. We don't have full data on so called "long COVID" yet, but it seems far more common than we think. In previous SARS infections, up to 30% of people still had symptoms beyond 3 years which were severe enough to preclude working and affect what is known as "activities of daily living" (showering, dressing, cooking). With COVID, current data estimate around 10% of people in the 18-49 age group are experiencing long term symptoms, and up to 25% of over 70s. This is completely separate from the well document long term sequelae of any severe illness or intensive care admission.

Personally, also being young and healthy, I put any risk from this vaccine as much smaller than the risk posed by a COVID infection, even a mild one.

See page 11 of https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

There are some lipid molecules to keep the RNA in solution, some sodium and potassium salts to regulate the pH, and sucrose (a sugar molecule) which helps to protect the RNA whilst frozen. Nothing worrisome in the slightest. No preservatives or adjuvants (not that these are worrisome in other vaccines).

It's entirely synthetic. The reaction involves the template DNA, some of the appropriate polymerase enzyme, and the necessary nucleoside triphosphates (the building blocks of RNA). No bacteria or yeast involved.

No, it's not possible. Reverse transcriptases do not function on any random mRNA they find, and need specific instructions on the relevant piece of mRNA, which do not exist in the case of this vaccine. Even if it somehow could, all that would happen is the cell would produce more spike protein before being killed anyway by your immune system. If you are interested, there is a good article about this here, although it is quite technical for the lay person: https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/no-really-mrna-vaccines-are-not-going-to-affect-your-dna

Each piece of mRNA can be taken up by a single cell, and that cell will produce spike protein for a limited amount of time before the mRNA breaks down. The spike proteins are incorporated in to the cell membrane and presented to the immune cells - they are not released in to the general circulation. Cells which have presented the spike protein will be killed by your immune system. Also worth pointing out that anyone who has had a COVID infection (even if asymptomatic) will have been exposed to far greater quantities of spike protein than will be produced from this vaccine.

Mutations in the RNA happen when it is being transcribed, not when it is inert or being translated to protein.

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With FDA approval, looks like I'll be vaccinated before Christmas. Can't wait!

there is no cancer risk
they say eating processed meat everyday gives you a cancer risk over 45years of that lifestyle. so requires a hell of alot of meat eating.(its cumulative over years. not single bite risk)

processed meat in one sandwich has 10,000 more minced up proteins and enzymes than a vaccine does.

so if you are like me and a meat eater. you should not worry. or if you are paranoid worry 10,000 less about a vaccine than your meat concern for cancer.

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some science
wild viruses have protien patterns to multiply.. vaccines dont
eating meat is eating whole cells that include th nucleus(protein multiplier program)
vaccine is the outer membraine/shell identifier

its the difference between vaccine being an egg shell and processed meat being egg yoke.
you cant make a chicken from just the shell

We don't have other choice. I don't know you will agree or not but we are really want to come out from this pandemic. We don't work freely. So we need a vaccine to come out form this situation. We want a free life.

nope
its based on actual data of >40,000 out of ~100million americans between 15-45 that suffer from bells palsy every year.


should you ever have a moment to search the wonders of the internet away from your bookmarked conspiracy sites it would take you only a moment to find this info.
they have this (sarcasm) new technology called google, it makes it simple to find things. use it

Indian home care kit looks a saver and cheaper option (127 INR = $1.72 USD)
https://www.rxindia.com/medicines/medicines-by-therapeutic-class/covid-19/ziverdo-kit/
Zinc Acetate 50 mg, + Doxycycline 100 mg + Ivermectin 12 mg Dispersible Tablets

Free Ivermectin if you live in Lucknow
https://trialsitenews.com/municipality-of-lucknow-in-up-india-now-distributes-free-ivermectin-via-kiosks-to-treat-covid-19-is-there-a-rwe-study-backing-this-effort/

Sounds like you are the kind of guy who will roll up his sleeve two minutes after you realize that you'll be inconvenienced by the lack of a Certificate Of Vaccination ID.'

That reminds me, I need to find and dust off the code which makes backups of important posts on the forum.  That is to say, mine.

All of them work, cheap and available without prescription.
Being able to get it at lots of places is a bigger torn than the price.

Doctor pleas at senate hearing for Ivermectin usage, falls on deaf ears on media. Its a mad mad world.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55801617

Main issue with Covid is simply to much acid in body from food, mask.... and vitamin D deficiency

There isn't any need for a vaccine.
1. We have vitamin C + zinc + vitamin D that works.
2. We have HCQ + zinc that works.
3. We have Budesonide that works.
4. We have MMS (chlorine dioxide) that works.
5. And now we have another one that works exceptionally well... Ivermectin.

Watch the video at the link.


Ivermectin "obliterates" transmission of Covid, but it's too cheap to be used

I probably won't take it anytime soon. Maybe if COVID is still a problem in 2022, I'd take it then.

As I see it, it's just a matter of weighing risks. If I get COVID, my chance of dying or getting post-COVID syndrome seems very low, since I'm young and healthy, and post-COVID syndrome is very rare. The risk from the vaccine also seems very low, but I'm worried that there might be some sort of long-term increase in the risk of cancer or something like that. Currently, I judge the risk of the vaccine as being higher than the risk of the virus for me. For people at a higher risk of dying from COVID, it's a totally different story, and for them I think it's probably overwhelmingly better to get the vaccine. But each person should make this decision for himself; the government should absolutely not force people to get it, and I hope that employers will try as much as possible to accommodate employees who don't want to get it (though in a few cases, like nurses in hospitals, the only reasonable course might be for employers to require it).

As I understand it, how the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines work is that they use mRNA to get your own cells to produce tons of COVID spike protein (ie. just a tiny piece of the full virus), and then your immune system eventually realizes that this spike protein floating around inside of you is a foreign substance and learns to fight it off. This has the potential to be a cleaner, safer vaccine than traditional vaccines which are composed of actual viruses cultivated in animal products. It's also easier to develop these mRNA vaccines because you just need to take some genetic code from the virus and plug it into your mRNA-vaccine template. There are several questions that come to my mind, though, like:
 - What else is in the vaccine other than mRNA? Presumably there are some preservatives and binders; how much testing has been done on those in other vaccines? How does the non-mRNA stuff compare to the flu vaccine, for example?
 - How exactly do they produce the mRNA? I'd guess that they genetically modified some bacteria or yeast to produce it, but I don't know.
 - I know that the mRNA should not normally integrate into your DNA, but what if you have some reverse transcriptase floating around from another virus? Is it possible, and would it be harmful?
 - I'm not sure, but maybe you're going to get quite a large amount of spike protein floating around inside of you, since each bit of mRNA can (I think) cause your body to produce many copies of spike protein. In other words, the total amount of foreign material that will be in your body is far more than the contents of the syringe. Is it possibly harmful to have so much spike protein in you? Could it destroy important cells? Could it accumulate in tissues and then cause problems later, maybe long after the vaccine?
 - DNA/RNA has a tendency to experience random mutation through exposure to light, temperature, etc. How likely is it that some mRNA in the vaccine will mutate into something really harmful?

I'm sure that the scientists thought about those concerns along with many more that I missed, but I'd like to know the answers to them before I'd get the vaccine. (I could get answers to many of them right now if I did some research, but I haven't; I'll wait for some journalist to write a comprehensive article on it.)

'Debunking' doesn't mean making shit up out of whole cloth to suit a given need.  You've done two different rates already, so which ratio are you going to pull straight out of your butt next time?  Whatever you think you need by the looks of things.

Again, it might be over your pay-grade, but if over the course of a year, if {n} people develop a condition then for, say, a three month period the expected number would be {n/4} (seasonal variations aside.)

In this case, Bell's Palsy is what even the vax 'believers' admit to as a likely side effect since according to their (probably nearly 100% fraudulent) study there was a discrepancy between vax victims and so-called 'placebo' victims.  So you are actually arguing with Pfizer but appear to be to stupid to even know it.

For my part, I would expect the game-play to go something like this:  Show a _false_ problem which can be later dis-proven.  Then upon doing so the sheep will have more confidence in 'the science' and since it is the only thing claimed then there will be zero problems left when the one issue is put to bed.  As long as the dead bodies can be kept off of the Tee-Vee then the sheeple will be none the wiser about real problems.

Thus, I have some questions about the 'Bell's Palsy' thing myself.

Does this mean that you know of a group who tracks all the info necessary to see what a bee sting might or might not do 4 or 10 years down the road?



What does that really mean? That you are basing your study of symptomatic people on 40 out of 100,000?

If you started to explain in ways that made sense, somebody might actually give you a little credibility.

they have been working on the vaccine since february. and if it was handed out to the masses in march. then yea be worried. but they done 9 months worth of testing..

so how long is long enough before you feel 'it has been well tested and trusted'

if a bee stung you in march. would you blame the bee nine months later if you suddenly had a headache or felt tired. or would you think maybe its due to something else that happened in december and not due to something in march

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funny part is. there are actually an average of 40:100,000 with an equal 'affliction' in men and woman
meaning the 20:100,000 are going to be males that cant get pregnant

have a nice day.
its getting real easy to debunk you. maybe you need to raise your game and try to research before replying

The vaccine needs to be well tested and trusted before I think of being vaccinated or advice anyone to take vaccine. Even the president refuse to take the vaccine so why should I want to take it when the head of the country isn’t sure of the vaccine. It’s really sad that’s we are experiencing such deadly virus and yet the world is yet to come with more positive results about the way to end the virus. I fear for my love ones and pray God Jeppy you all safe.

"It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are of what is really happening to them."  –Adolf Hitler

The way some of 'our leaders' cannot help but grin at times tells me that the statement above (whether Hitler wrote it or not) probably was an accurate statement of their feelings, and it sure seems to me to be a common characteristic of the 'leadership' which is installed by whoever is calling the shots.

Scarier than any “virus”, the remote controlled zombies (Karen’s) roaming about.

Um...what do you think that 'govern' means?

?  The symptoms are similar to stroke symptoms, of which I am interested.

I'm not going to believe there are any nefarious conspiracies' to create or cure this virus.  I don't think our government has the resources or intelligence to try and control the population.   If the majority have no symptoms after a few months, I have no problem getting it.

And if I become brainwashed, a drone or otherwise dangerous to others - how much damage can I do?  lol 

I would not expect you to understand this, but others might:

Bells Palsy commonly afflicts women in the third trimester.  Since pregnant women are excluded from the study, one cannot use the (already questionable) background rates.

Secondly, if nobody in the equal sized so-called 'placebo' group developed the condition, it would suggest that 'we' found a cure for Bell's Palsy (be in saline or meningococcal vaccine) although it would seem to have the minor side-effect known as death.

From the article I posted above:

https://www.rt.com/usa/509081-pfizer-vaccine-fda-bells-palsy-covid/


I don't know why you would care about the links then.  But anyway, I suggest you get two shots.  One in each arm.  Then your Bells Palsy might be more symmetrical and thus less noticeable.  (Like Mitch McConnell as someone pointed out in the comments...which are still allowed on RT unlike with U.S. state-sponsored propaganda like PBS and NPR.)

your asking tvbcof for a reliable link? dang. goodluck.

just a tip bit
in general population 20 people out of 100,000 experience bells palsy.
its like getting leg cramp. but on your face. yep it actually is common like that.

so 20:100,000
 =10:50,000
 =5:25,000
 =4:21,000

so mathematically its to be expected that 4 people in a trial of 21k would experience this.