Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 108. (Read 20577 times)

Logic dictates that if you are not worried about harm, there is no reason to wait.  Why don't you signal your virtue and get as many vaccines as you can in the interest of helping science and humanity?

UK has one. the oxford vaccine.

yes pfizer, oxford and moderna released pre-lim data quickly but thats because they need some approval process just to start mass production.
basically get to atleast a point of being allowed to invoice governments for the mass production.

they had to release pre-lim data last month just to get the production going. even though governments wanted stockpiles of their stuff in summer.
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as a separate thing
they have yet to be granted approval for mass USE. that is still to come later.

it has passed the safety tests of the vaccine itself not causing adverse reactions. with 100+ results with 9 month data. 1000+ results of 6month data and 10000+ result of 3 month data.

the question of does it stop future covid illnesses is something yet to come in any large dataset.
they only have 100+ results of effectiveness. they are hoping for 1000+ results by february and 10000+ by may..

.. but hey herbalists and anti-pharma nutters love to tell people that certain things cure illnesses but know that if atleast the thing they promote doesnt cause harm then it doesnt matter if the cure X claim is false.
so they should be happy to promote something thats proven to not cause harm even if it has yet to be proven to help said future illness in any large dataset proof..

i personally will wait for further data on the effectiveness, but i dont fear the vaccine causing harm. just think it hasnt proved the test of time of preventing covid to any real high level

In a short period of time two completely independent companies presented a corona vaccine. Since both them are listed companies I think gbdfd is some truth to their product. I would expect more companies from other countries like in Asia or UK to present their own vaccine. The more different types of vaccines we choose from the better for the consumer.

give the fact that governments have already made it a law that the cost of a vaccine be not more then standard prescription prices. i think 'pharma' are not going to profit.
so get it out of your head already if our thinking vaccines will be £$100-£$1000-£$10000 a dose..

sorry but its more like $40(£30) max
EG the oxford vaccine is going to cost government £6
any additional costs would be the logistics/distribution costs.
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given the fact that there are 65million people in the UK meaning 650k is 1%
given the fact that there have not been any studies/reports/research that have shown 650k cases of spread a week.
there is no way, logically, mathematically, realistically to have had '60/90% spread' in 52 weeks
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please .. please . please.. can you conspiracy nutcases atleast try to put some effort into your replies. its just getting too easy to debunk you lot.
atleast try to use some form of data/stat/info that is actually of merit/worthiness. and no i dont mean something you found on  conspiracy/fiction site

Vaccine testing looks like a scam as well. A vaccine is tested against a "placebo", and I gather that is a saline solution, and it may have other additives to distort the results. Injecting salt water into your body by bypassing the natural protection is hardly a safe test. I don't think any research has been done into the side effects of saline injection. If they really wanted to create a valid trial, they would compare the vaccinated with the unvaccinated.

With the way I see it, this is a question for the confirmed positive individuals or cases. Despite the heat of the pandemic through it's first to the second wave, I as a person has been relatively healthy though, I kept to the Covid guidelines. The issue is, the Covid complication isn't a registered fact amongst most members of the community so, why should the vaccine be trusted?
I don't think I would be taking any vaccine if it comes to that, I've been doing okay and I will always be okay without any shit vaccine that is yet to be proven for long time effect. In our society today, you never can tell when your been used as a lab rat. I'll take my chances with natural immunity, it's the only thing that could last not some immunity that fades out after a few months.

No way I can trust their vaccine. First suspicious fact is that there is no evidence the so called virus has been isolated,another big concern that vaccine takes years and tens of years to prove it's effectiveness and safety. It's not done or...if it's done then it means it was prepared long time ago and the whole covid hysteria was planned.

I trust it to make money for big Pharma.

Given that some research seems to indicate that 60-90% of the population has developed immunity, and this immunity is not checked before vaccination, it seems that the whole concept is just a money making exercise and not a health benefit. You can see they are in a panic to try to preserve the concept of vaccines, as this is becoming increasingly discredited, and people are becoming awate of the health and economic damage that they cause.

The propaganda machine is becoming quite creative by introducing concepts such as "long covid". As I understand it, this means that you became infected, and recovered to the extend that the there is no longer any viable viruses in your body. However you continue to show symptoms, and they call this long covid. That doesn't make any sense to me. I believe that you had a pre-existing condition ( probably caused by something such as the 'flu vaccine). and the so=called health service did nothing to remedy this, or to check on poor dietary habits. They just tell you to wear masks to increase re-infection, and to isolate to reduce vitamin "D".

So what?  Freedom is the ability to believe whatever you want.

When you outlaw 'wrong ideas' it becomes a 'fact' that the sun revolves around the earth because it is the only idea which is allowed to exist.  Only 'idiots' believe something other than what the authorities mandate as a 'fact'.

Back in the day the king didn't like the irksome .1415... part of pi so he mandated that the ratio of the circumference of circle to it's diameter was 3.  Period.  End of story.  It set back architecture and engineering by a fair bit.

thats called bad batching.
there is actually processes in place that monitor different batches whether its the same lab/factory, but just in a different production slot. or from different labs/factories.

they actually sample random vials within a batch and see if a batch is good or not.
its not just vaccines. heck even meat pie industry regularly test their batches.

they may make 1000pies an hour. so every 30 minutes they take a pie and test it for weight/ filling amount. they test for bacteria and also if the pastry rose to the right height and the temperature is right.
they dont simply just let the machines run all day and only check once the machines alarm beeps.

when it comes to medical supply checks. they do loads of stuff. far beyond what a food production factory world.

yes some kenyan citizens might be blackmarket selling 'vaccine' where the supplier used could have been a ethiopian 'sweatshop' counterfit factory putting river water into vials instead of vaccine

yes bad batches can happen.
but for instance with these vaccines they are being sourced via the companies direct. they are setting up logistics and distribution to get it from source.

yes 9 months ago there were cases where america were in a rush to source PPE and trumps son inlaw was just handing out money to whomever said they can supply PPE. and yes plane loads of PPE arrived. and on inspection they found out it didnt meet standards. and so trumps son inlaw was taken off that project and it was handed to pence.
so yes bad batches can happen if idiots are in charge of the logistics and dont source the products from a trusted source thats been vetted properly.

so yes batches can be a problem. but the chances of a bad batch getting to a destination to then be handed out to citizens is super super low due to the different checks/layers of inspection inbetween

and there lays the problem
idiots call the theories facts by believing in them.

even if the theories to the rest of the world are just unfactual/unproven theories. idiots define them facts simply by their own belief.
YOU deeming it a fact. does not mean its a fact... to everyone else. its a theory, fantasy, fiction..
thus you by being a conspiracy loving idiot. suddenly you become deemed the liar and get called an idiot. because of your beliefs. and lack of wanting to question your own beliefs. lacking desire to want to prove your beliefs. you just want to proclaim something as fact by you believing it is

sorry but thats not how facts work

Why people would assume (with rock solid conviction in a lot of cases) that all vials contain the same thing is beyond me.  When they did the 'tetanus' covert sterilization in Kenya recently it is said that a fraction of the vials come from a specialty lab in Canada while others seemed to have come from a factory.

The Achilles' heal of these programs is that it is quite difficult to implement a situation where vaccines are selected for each _individual_ person.  The fallout was that in the 90's when they used the 'tetanus' trick in The Philippines, they hit a medical doctor and she got suspicious and did the investigative work on herself (and found herself to have antibodies for the hormone which is necessary to maintain a pregnancy which is how this 'vaccine' works to cause abortions and sterility.)  If they could make sure that 'front liners' who often have some technical expertise get one thing and the 'poor' who are in the next batch get another, such issues are less likely to meet scrutiny.

Unsurprisingly (to me) technological solutions to the problems of individual selection, tracking, and 'pharmicavigilance ' are front-and-center in the efforts to 'solve' the so-called 'covid-19 epidemic' by use of 'vaccines.'   As a welcome side-effect, greatly enhanced general surveillance comes along for the ride.


Most diseases had declined sharply before a vaccine was in use, and it was almost certainly associated with developments in food and sanitation.  Some rather unpleasant things, like scarlet fever, never had a vaccine at all and are things of the past.

I'm in favor of people choosing to vaccinate.  In fact I specifically asked for a particular vaccine (only) for my daughter (only to find out that they had broken our agreement and vaccinated her with what they wanted anyway when they took her alone into the back room.)  This was a result of research into the risks in my environment and the technology used for different vaccines (there are several technologies which are utterly different from one another.)

I can tell you first hand that trained medical doctors who specialize in pediatrics even are often woefully ignorant of much of the science behind these things.  Doctors themselves will sometimes admit that they had half a day on vaccines of an 8 year study course and don't know shit about them.  All they need to do to maintain their careers is memorize a few pharma generated talking points and repeat them.  Such as 'safe and effective.'

"some don't even believe there is a real vaccine ... What about you ?"

The vaccine is being fast-tracked and companies are incentivized with more money and less risk for failure than for any other thing before. Yes. I believe they are already [successfully] testing vaccines from several manufactures.

I'm not rushing to be the first even though I'm vaccinated for everything my insurance will cover.

When they say "everyone on the frontlines will get it first", my first thought is: can't they do this in stages?
 *laughing at myself because the movie 'I am Legend' comes to mind except that we've killed off all the Dr.s and scientist and we're left with an 'Idiocracy'

Seriously though, that we no longer have Polio to plague our lives and many other diseases (that most of us are already vaccinated for) is a testament to science.

I am Pro-Vaccinations but by choice.

Could or will governments make it mandatory for it's citizens? Hope not
Will private businesses? We will see *airlines come to mind

So, the unvaxxed wealthy class cannot mingle with the vaxxed 'useless eater' classes?  Oh No!  Please don't throw me in that thar brier patch Br'er Bear!

The 'new normal' calls for a much reduced use of energy (to save the world and all) which means much less travel.  If you or your friends have a private plane travel is not a problem and of course you won't be bothered by the health SS troops.  If you are part of a plane load of specialized work detail bound for a task somewhere you'll have to be vaxxed and tagged of course.


H. G. Wells and other early technocrats couldn't shake the vision/fantasy of humans differentiating into several different species.  Having one species constantly injecting custom designed genetic material into another species could be a means of accelerating the process of evolution.

It doesn't matters you trust it or no, most likely that you will have to get vaccinated if you want to live normal life again. It will be not mandatory, but people will need it if they want travel abroad, same like now some countries requires to be vaccinated from maliaria and other diseases. Your children may be not allowed to go into school and there may be more similar restrictions which will make your life more complicated. It's likely that not vaccinated people will be required to wear masks.
I'm not saying no to Covid-19 vaccine, but I prefer not to be vaccinated, same like I'm not going to get flu vaccine every year. But if there won't be other choice, I will go for it.
I read vaccine will give immunity for 6 months, so we will have to get it quite often and it doesn't sound good for me.

smart people also believe in simulation! the more you know the more you realize you know nothing - a quote attributed to a dozen ppl

In my area, I personally know about two individuals in their 60s, who were discharged from the hospital after getting cured of the COVID 19 infection. But a few days after they were discharged, both of them developed breathing difficulties at night and passed away. So I have to agree when you say that there are long term effects from COVID 19. At this point, a vaccine looks safer for me. Or rather less risky when compared to the scenario without a vaccine.

By definition it is impossible to 'believe' a 'theory'.  Upon doing so it changes from a theory to a fact.

Are you going to say that 'ignorant' people generate/evaluate/entertain 'conspiracy theories' and by logical extension, 'informed' people do not?  Or is it more the case that it is OK to theorize about 'conspriacies' which might exist among certain groups of people (e.g., 'the Russians' interfering in elections) where others (e.g., politicians, wealthy people, and industry leaders) should never be the subject of certain hypotheticals.

Ignorant people believe in gods, aliens and conspiracy theories.  If any of you are educated on virus transmission, you should identify yourselves so the masses know who to follow. 

This person said it best:  "I don't know much". 

For now, we don't have a choice. That may sound bad but a lot of countries needed it to regain their economy, this year sucks and that would also mean for a lot of us and as a whole and that vaccine is what we needed. There is a lot of vaccines reported to be working against the virus, and they're even is this news that a newborn baby was born with antibodies that can fight the covid-19.

Don't know if that news about the newborn is legit but I hope the vaccines are not just marinated by these medical institutions.