Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 107. (Read 20577 times)

Caution is advised on blanket statements because there are several wholy different technologies in widespread use.  Adjuvants are often not used for vaccines which work by giving you either a related ailment (e.g., cowpox/smallpox) or a genetically modified variant of some virus which may contain some elements of the 'real thing' and is supposed to make a person somewhat sick fighting off the 'fake one' leaving immunity covering the 'real one' as well.


Inert placebos are almost never used with vaccine safety studies.  Doing so would result in the safety test failing because vaxxed group would drop like flies while the placebo group would be fine.  The always use as a 'placebo' a DIFFERENT vaccine.  In some of the covid vax tests they are using meningecoccal as much as they can, but Del Bigtree claims that his and Kennedy's  'ICAN', through a lawsuit, got some of the Moderna testing to be performed against inert placebo (saline.)

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I generally like the idea of letting one's own healthy immune system which, as you point out, has gotten us through millions of years.  But...it is the case that current bioengineering technology can devise goodies which can defeat nature's work.  If we allow 'leaders' who would consider the pleb classes of 'useless eaters' their enemy to do so, they will absolutely use this technology for their own ends.

Vaccines work by giving you an artificial infection, and letting your immune system recover from it. Because they bypass the normal body protection, they need adjuvants to trigger the reaction, and these often cause the side effects. The simple option is to let your normal immune system cope with the real infection, and create long term immunity.

You know the concept is flawed because trials are against placebos, and not against the real competition. This is to do nothing and let Mother Nature protect you in the way she has perfected over thousands of years of evolution.

Wrong again Bob.  The vaccine is 'successful' if it reduces the symptoms of 'covid-19'.  Like an aspirin.  It doesn't need to (and doesn't) stop people from catching and speading the virus.  In this respect it is useless for 'herd immunity' and that sort of tripe.  People still need to reach that on their own (and many/most probably already have hence the desperate fraud and mainstream media lies to try to milk this thing out.)


According to some people's religions, 'Mother GAIA' has a problem, and that problem is to many people on the earth.  The marketing propaganda on this one has been strong an large swaths of the population agrees.  Lots and lots of 'converts'.

According to others (with overlap) lower population densities are easier to manage for a variety of reason.  Less likely that your puppets are overthrown and thus resource can be extracted for less cost and risk.

That's what you GET from a VACCINE. You get from the virus from taking a vaccine, or more technically you have a very high rate of developing immunity once you're injected with a vaccine.

Do people actually think that they're going to get injected with something that is going to kill them? That would literally make the solution worse then the problem, for most people, and then it wouldn't have been approved for emergency authorization.

I understand not wanting to be one of the first few batches of people to get this vaccine. It's not like any of us normal people could do that anyway, as they're prioritizing healthcare workers and such. But I do understand wanting to see if others develop any side effects, that's totally normal. But just disregarding the whole thing for no reason is really not going to help us get out of this.

Because we don't want infection, we want immunity.

tvbcof, just to clarify my statement since you have so much to say about it:

My concern for the safety of Dr.s and scientists comes from from a StarTalk podcast where Neil DeGrasse Tyson has a guest: Dr. Paul Offit, MD, Director of the Vaccine Education Center and an attending physician in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.
My major concern is that if Neil gets vaccinated and something goes wrong down the line, he won't make it to Izzy when the moon breaks into seven pieces.

The Covid Believers have made the evil dwarf Dr. Fausti into their demigod to channel their worship through.  And Bill Gates.

If you had a coronavirus based common cold within the last few years you'll likely come up hot for so-called 'covid-19' on an antibody test.  And if you had such an infection, even if it was so mild that you didn't even know it, you probably cannot catch 'SARS-CoV-2' even if you tried.

I have tried to catch SARS-CoV-2 just going out and about and touching things.  Hard to know if I succeeded or not because it is so mild for most people that they don't know they had it.  And none of the so-called 'covid-19' test are reliable at all so even if I did want to get ripped off on such a test it would not tell me anything useful.

This thing would be totally laughable charade but for the fact that they used it to ruin millions of people's lives and small businesses and the like.  I suspect that the carnage is only the start of what these people have planned in part because they have written about what they 'need' to do for a long time and it isn't pretty.

My best guess is that there really is a 'SARS-CoV-2', it is a virus, and it does contain some 'gain of function' research.  Probably this research did happen in Wuhan, but under funding and guidance of entities including evil dwarf Fausti's NIAIA when they were banned from doing the research within CONUS.  https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/faucis-niaid-gave-3-7-million-to-wuhan-lab-to-study-coronavirus-in-bats-ben-swann-investigates/  Fortunately it seems that 'this one' would be tuned mostly to manipulate some of it's propagation parameters and not it's actual lethality.  Or else they tried to make it worse than the common cold and failed.

But fear not.  Bill Gates and his wife-thing promises a newer and better one to appear soon.

Oh my, Covid KNOWER, and Covid BELIEVER, really?

"Religion is belief in a god or gods and the activities that are connected with this belief, such as praying or worshipping in a building such as a church or temple" -collinsdictionary

Have you seen someone who worships Covid? Cause I myself haven't seen one yet. I only see people in fear of Covid, and fear doesn't translate to worship. ergo, your claim is invalid. Second, how can you say that such as yourself is a "KNOWER" when evidences, researches, and studies states that Covid is real, and critical for people who have medical conditions.

I just love how you stick with your conspiracies for the past months, and still doesn't believe for something that really exist.

^^^ A Covid believer is somebody who has turned the whole pandemic into a religion for himself. Of course, there are the high priests of that religion, like Fauci, who aren't even believers in their own religion.

Why is it that nobody talks about a Covid KNOWER? Must be because the only knowers know that there isn't any Covid, and this means that they can't know about something that doesn't exist.

People gotta remain believers. If they don't, the whole scam will disappear.

That's what the objective facts look like to me.

You are pretty typical of a 'covid-19 believer'.  A 'professional' and 'expert' who won't even use his real name when providing medical advice.

I'll stick with getting information from people like Wodarg, Ioannidis, Yeadon, who have names and reputations.  I'll avoid nameless 'experts say' types alluded to by the mainstream media or jackoffs on message boards who claim to be busy doctors while 'helping' people move BTC around.

Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?


Having found out that it is dangerous and touted by lies, why wouldn't I trust that?

I’d rather eat the ass of a COVID+ prostitute TYVM..

I’ll get my antibodies the natural way..

Like seriously though.. I’d totally just make out with a China virus infected hottie right now just to get it over with..
Spit in my mouth!!!


I got sick as fuck this summer.. Maybe I had it..
I want an antibodies test..

Lol. So the scientists and doctors in favor of vaccines are "bureaucrats with questionable financial arrangements", but those against vaccines have "impeccable credentials". Confirmation bias much?

I will.  Even within the realm of civil engineering, a career centered around, say, designing road systems will not be all that useful in the task of designing a building.  Beyond that, 'a decade' sounds like a big deal, but it really isn't.  It's about five two-year projects and unless the guy is a real hot-shot he/she will probably have been fairly junior on many or all of them.  Probably without even holding a PE for some.


The most notable 'experts' I can think of on the 'covid-19 is real' side are a career bureaucrat with questionable financial arrangements (Dr. Fausti) and a gaggle of celebrity doctors such as Gupta.  Throw in a few people who used to work with and for Gates in his other organizations before they worked for his WHO organization.  Tedros and that creepy Irish guy.

Even ultra-vaxxers such as Hoetez and Offit are getting cold feet on what's shaping up as the covid 'vaccine', and it seems to me that it's because they know that the carnage from this one won't be able to be swept under the carpet.  Both of these two probably are quite aware of what vaccines are actually doing to 'the nations'.

On the other hand, more and more doctors, scientists, etc with impeccable credential are coming forward saying, some times in so many words, that this thing is a fraud.  Generally they are a little less blunt, but not a lot.  As of the last few months they are being censored like crazy by the like of Google and Facebook in a desperate attempt to 'control the narrative.'  These honorable folks tend to bend over backward to provide clear and complete data in sharp contrast to the covid hoax pushers.

As usual, one has to ask what is the benefit either financial or professionally for a career doctor, scientist, or academic to go against the grain?  There really is none in almost any case.  It's pretty much suicidal for a career or a pocketbook.  Seems to me that a lot of them are realizing that a career in the 'new normal' version of scientism is not even worth preserving.

If a person has a decade of engineering experience, no one will have a second thought about going into a building they designed.

Why are so many people questioning the decades of experience of these infection experts?

actually there are less then that whom are at your lower IQ level
i know i know you will pull out some stat that suggests half of america is republican.

but strange thing is. there are some republicans that are not dumb.
yea they voted for local republican representation but didnt vote for trump

and even in the 74mill that did vote for trump. even some of them are not dumb enough to think that healthcare is some plot of eugenics.

so i think 'your crowd' is more like 2million that are at your low IQ level that believe in conspiracy.

and well. reality is your not going to be on the priority list anyway(millenials). so dont worry you are not going to be given a 'share' in january. so no decision about giving away your share is needed

Lol.  Nice try.  There are about 100 million Americans (and growing) who see how this scam is going down would be more than happy for you to take their share.

I do not trust the vaccine

Vaccines so far have been tried in a certain population of people, but the consequences of this are still not transparently disclosed. Not conducting the vaccines in a joint study is another suspect. Creating a vaccine market for governments with vaccines found by certain vaccine companies, I think of this situation as trade.

logic dictates that a vaccine of 10-80% is better than nothing for the extreme vulnerable. and with limited supply for january. let the vulnerable have that chance

but for those(my situation) where im not in the critical vulnerable priority. i should not push myself to the top of the list. taking that chance away from a vulnerable person
however if i was to take one,, id take one which is the best, and fulfilled all its claims. with large scale proof

put it another way. if vulnerable(65+) group had a 40% chance of severe covid. and vaccine X was only 60% effective. that makes them 16% at risk.
i at 20% risk could become 8%. but i am taking that chance of a 24% risk drop from a vulnerable person

if vulnerable had a vaccine X thats 90% effective. they get down to 4% risk, where id become 2% risk

again whatever the effectivity is, its much better to let the vulnerable have it first and ill take the 90% later
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i know herbalists would love to say just take 20 herbal pills a day, even if safe, but not proven to cure what it claims to cure.. for me its just seen as making expensive urine.
id wait for the actual studies that show its worth its claims. yes the herbs might help and better to take something rather then nothing. but i personally would rather wait for the science
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my personal opinion is. if im only allowed 1 free vaccine a year. ill take the one with best effectivacy results.
but if they had 65mill doses of each brand available tomorrow. and able to take all 3. i would