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Quote from: romero121 on July 22, 2019, 05:08:48 PM

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There's no successful gambler even if he is hard working in gambling. Gambling depends on luck to be successful so working hard is useless to it.

You said that there's no successful gambler and then you just said that in able to become successful you need to be lucky.

What's been stated is true. None can be successful in gambling without luck.. Hard work in the sense learning about the strategies, players involved in a game, the previous records were the hard work with gambling. After studying all these data it helps in selecting the right odds. This way hard work in gambling increases the chance of winning, but without luck he can't be successful which is cent percent true.

It's confusing that his words are contradicting to each other. I'm not against but the context of what he is saying is confusing.

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Quote from: boyptc on July 22, 2019, 09:48:01 AM

It's lottery, no need for hard work. You just buy ticket and wait for the result.

With lottery the scenario is different, here luck is the only choice that could get us a win. Even with lottery this has been outlawed by an user who has won lottery 12 times studying the scripts through mathematical knowledge. You could see briefly on a thread in our gambling discussion board.

I've known that and read the story of that person but it's a special case.

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Quote from: Ailmand on July 22, 2019, 07:53:15 PM

Some gambling games might require a mixture of skill, luck, experience and strategy, so the answer for that is "yes". However, for games that would only require luck and intuition I think the amount of time spent has no bearing, what important is you know the game and it's mechanics.

For gamblers who played a skilled type of game, they know their skills is more important and that is required, but a luck is required? I don't think so, it's impossible, you can't learn and improve your luck, it just come around and go and you don't know when it will come.

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Some gambling games might require a mixture of skill, luck, experience and strategy, so the answer for that is "yes". However, for games that would only require luck and intuition I think the amount of time spent has no bearing, what important is you know the game and it's mechanics.

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Quote from: boyptc on July 22, 2019, 09:48:01 AM

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There's no successful gambler even if he is hard working in gambling. Gambling depends on luck to be successful so working hard is useless to it.

You said that there's no successful gambler and then you just said that in able to become successful you need to be lucky.

What's been stated is true. None can be successful in gambling without luck.. Hard work in the sense learning about the strategies, players involved in a game, the previous records were the hard work with gambling. After studying all these data it helps in selecting the right odds. This way hard work in gambling increases the chance of winning, but without luck he can't be successful which is cent percent true.

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Some lottery winners don't put their hard work on gambling but they still win because of luck.

It's lottery, no need for hard work. You just buy ticket and wait for the result.

With lottery the scenario is different, here luck is the only choice that could get us a win. Even with lottery this has been outlawed by an user who has won lottery 12 times studying the scripts through mathematical knowledge. You could see briefly on a thread in our gambling discussion board.

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There's no successful gambler even if he is hard working in gambling. Gambling depends on luck to be successful so working hard is useless to it.

You said that there's no successful gambler and then you just said that in able to become successful you need to be lucky.

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Some lottery winners don't put their hard work on gambling but they still win because of luck.

It's lottery, no need for hard work. You just buy ticket and wait for the result.

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Gambling is general by a stroke of luck and less about wits (there are no expert ways of rolling a set of dices) ,however,there are specific games where expert knowledge can significantly improve your odds of winning. You will have experts in a game of cards for example,they are able to make the best use of what ever fate dealt them,play or read their opponent's dispositions and make the best out of it.So it is game specific.A good dose of knowledge us required.

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I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

Its not because the player is a gambling experts, He can always win at every games, Of course they can still face loss because nobody
is perfect, not all the time luck will always there for every gambler of course not.

You are right, it is impossible to win in every game, even though he has very experienced but the experience will not work every time. Through gambling, he need to have enough luck in order to win through gambling.

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Quote from: imadmirer on July 01, 2018, 11:15:05 PM

I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

I still believe if we talk about gambling in games such as poker and sportbook because mental and mind factors really affect each game. different from games like dice, roulette, etc. which is based entirely on luck and even if someone wins in the first set of games and there is a factor in the possibility of him being tempted by the next set and the worst possible loss of everything. very likely . and that's what often happens.

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When it comes to poker,hard work and practice can pay out in the long term.
However,there's always a right way and a wrong way to practice.The gambling addicts are going the wrong way,so they never learn from their mistakes and never gain any experience and knowledge.I'm not a poker expert or trainer,so I can't write about the proper way of training poker.
There's no hard work in the 100% luck based gambling games. Grin

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Quote from: imadmirer on July 01, 2018, 11:15:05 PM

I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

Its not because the player is a gambling experts, He can always win at every games, Of course they can still face loss because nobody
is perfect, not all the time luck will always there for every gambler of course not.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on July 16, 2019, 05:15:39 PM

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It honestly really depends on the game.

For games based more on skill, hard work does count. Poker is a completely different game to talk about than slots.

It's really just about skill bringing the odds closer in your favour.

It is the reality, skills were the one that brings the odds chosen get closer to the players favour. As mentioned, on games based on skills learning about the different possibilities were the best choice than hard work. With sports betting, hard work in terms of collection of data relative to the players and the team associated with the same will get the odds come close in favor.

I disagree, because the same "hard work" can be done by millions of others, and that's how we come to have the odds on sports betting sites. You can win some good amount only when a team most people regard as a weak one wins the game, and, unless you are a team doctor, who knows something others don't, "hard work" is of no use to you, and only luck can help you to win.

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Quote from: Japinat on July 19, 2019, 12:50:53 AM

Quote from: xSkylarx on July 18, 2019, 11:07:05 PM

If you're just a casual gambler you won't risk your hard earned money just to let it eaten by the gambling website or casino.

Of course you won't, a gambler is only gambling for fun, although winning is possible but we know the risk and we know our chances.
We can only take the risk if we believe that we have a chance of winning but gambling does not give that chance to us, we are here to spend for the casinos to make money, that's the reality that we sometime neglect.

No this is not true when you want to get something you will have to put your effort for. When you will gamble so for wining you cannot totally rely on your luck but you will have to work and get knowledge to play well According to me luck in gambling as a value just like salt in the flour.

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Hardwork in coming up with a strategy or working formula or even managing a bankroll I think this counts as hardwork Roll Eyes

so yes

but just making a few clicks and guesses without breaking a sweat...I don't think we can call this hardwork!

Am just hoping we don't have to call a fifth grader to define hardwork.

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Quote from: Saisher on July 17, 2019, 08:35:33 PM

The only hard work that should be doing when it comes to gambling, is how you gamble, gambling is a game of luck and since this is a game of luck that can not be mastered to make a living, you should learn how to control you remotion and stop when you need to stop.

Yes, you got a point, it can be measured by how you work hard to create a strategy so that you can win but sadly, no matter how we try and work hard for it, you will still lose because gambling is on luck and no strategy ever worked to defeat the house edge. Therefore, if you do gambling just do it for fun.

that shows that hardwork does count on gambling . its hard to control your self , its hard to create your own strategy ,etc but they pays off if done correctly ... we cant defeat the house but we can get piece of them in the form of winning and most of all , the best thing that we can do is enjoy no matter if we win or loose because gambling is entertaining . its a good way to release stress from a long day of work

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Quote from: xSkylarx on July 18, 2019, 11:07:05 PM

If you're just a casual gambler you won't risk your hard earned money just to let it eaten by the gambling website or casino.

Of course you won't, a gambler is only gambling for fun, although winning is possible but we know the risk and we know our chances.
We can only take the risk if we believe that we have a chance of winning but gambling does not give that chance to us, we are here to spend for the casinos to make money, that's the reality that we sometime neglect.

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Quote from: Bananington on July 18, 2019, 06:59:11 PM

Hardwork in gambling will only expose you to everything about the game, but doesn't guarantee you win always. Luck counts a lot in gambling and also smart work to an extent. Well, hardwork pays in everything.

Yes, there's no guarantee that even you work hard in gambling, you will win. No it doesn't work like that in gambling. Hardwork counts but it's better that you apply it for everything you do.

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Obviously putting in so much effort to understand a game, hence being hardworking is an essential step for every good gambler

This is understable but do you think that's really hard work?

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Quote from: Bananington on July 18, 2019, 06:59:11 PM

Hardwork in gambling will only expose you to everything about the game, but doesn't guarantee you win always. Luck counts a lot in gambling and also smart work to an extent. Well, hardwork pays in everything.

But hardwork in gambling also means you risk alot of money to strategize all possible counters everytime you lose. Only a very rich man could do that imo. If you're just a casual gambler you won't risk your hard earned money just to let it eaten by the gambling website or casino.

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Quote from: imadmirer on July 01, 2018, 11:15:05 PM

I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

in any field the hard work will be counted because only the hard work make you to be the better person in all the field so that I hope hard work means we need to spend lots of times and making our intelligence to be improved then only we get successful in gambling field also

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Hardwork in gambling will only expose you to everything about the game, but doesn't guarantee you win always. Luck counts a lot in gambling and also smart work to an extent. Well, hardwork pays in everything.

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What hard work we can do in gambling first? I believe this discussion is not really meaningful because we are in gambling field we should do smart work enough to stay a some time in gambling.
If we don't do smart work there is no one to save you in gambling and then you need to control your emotions while you are facing heavy losses.

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