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Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 141. (Read 734725 times)

legendary
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September 24, 2014, 11:58:42 PM

Read the article. It doesn't say that Ukraine shot down flight MH17, it says they are suing for "manslaughter by negligence" and because "under international law Ukraine should have closed its air space if it could not guarantee the safety of flights."

Even Germans know that it the was separatists who shot down the plane by mistake and "Putin now understood that he has passed the weapon to wrong people".

http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article130579514/Putin-realisiert-dass-er-die-Falschen-bewaffnete.html

But don't worry, Russia's time in court will come.
legendary
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September 24, 2014, 11:49:53 PM
This number is likely to go much higher up as mass graves with tortured and killed locals are uncovered on territories liberated from US-backed Kiev forces.

This part is especially funny and stupid, because there have been several protests in Washington by Ukrainians DEMANDING that US gets involved and back Kiev forces, which US continues to refuse to do. If only all those protesters were told that those Kiev forces are already US-backed  Roll Eyes
legendary
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September 24, 2014, 11:44:50 PM

Random guy talks on the internet. THIS PROVES EVERYTHING!

Also, first class gets food in ceramic plates with ceramic mugs.
legendary
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September 24, 2014, 11:36:08 PM
- this is the identity that your "democratically elected" leaders are trying to detach ukrainians from. can you blame those who refuse to be detached from the russian identity? a country is not a prison - you cant force people to live there against their will. the only thing that glues any country together is identity. once you make segregation watch pieces fall off. 'divide and concur' comes to mind, no? 100 years ago ukraine as such didnt exist. those who designed ukrainian state to be the way it is are doing so merely to bite off a piece off russian zone of influence. but its fine. if you dont relate to russian culture anymore you can go, but please dont force those who still wish to be part of russian culture to become something they are not. please understand that.

Sorry, I had to come back to this and address it specifically. That proud Russian identity you speak of? Ukrainians also have their own proud Ukrainian identity. Things like Kievan Rus and Cossacs, and remembering the history of being constantly invaded by Mongols, Tatars, Poland, and Russia, until finally being conquered by Soviet Russia and being forced to be a part of Soviet Union. That is the history and the identity that Ukrainians have and cherish, and wish to preserve. The reason Ukrainians are supporting those "democratically elected" leaders is because they promise to help them preserve that identity, and the reason they kicked out Yanukovich (among others) and why they are fighting so hard against Russians is because they were threatening to destroy Ukrainian identity and have it be swallowed up, like it was something insignificant, by Russia. Again. And, BTW, this is why if Russia does invade the whole of Ukraine, instead of arriving to a population welcoming them with flowers and open arms, they will have a population that will fight them at every turn.

So it's rather ironic and hypocritical of you to talk about respecting identities, when Russia is the one trying to crush it.


As for a country not being a prison, tell that to Russia that annexed Crimea, and is now preventing people, especially Tatars, from being able to leave. People are getting mugged, pulled out of hard, and having their passports taken away or damaged so they can't fly or leave the country.
legendary
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September 24, 2014, 11:22:52 PM
Most of the world hates Russia. Want me to post the evidence again? I noticed you keep repeating the same things and the same lies over and over again. Either your masters are late on your last payment, and you are putting in the bare minimum of effort to shill and spread Kremlin propaganda until your check clears, or else you are simply following the words of your soviet hero, "A lie told often enough becomes the truth."  - Vladimir Lenin

 to be honest this is extremely arrogant thing to say. i dont care who you are or what you've achieved in your lifetime but having such biased remarks do not put you in better light. in fact it actually draws a clear image of nation that you tend to represent, even though you are brought up on western values. by saying "most of the world" you forget the fact that the actual "most" of the population is in china and india. i live in place where there alot of nationals from all over the world. those who actually come from china and india and not the ones born in north america respect russians for the history and how much they managed to achieve. coming from asia, most can refer to engineering sector, military equipment, science etc. intellectuals mention music, art, balley. ohh and by the way actual ukranian people are too huge contributors to these achievements, prestige and status of russian empire as well as ussr.



 now if you claim that "most of the world" hates russia then ill have to upset you. the "most" part that you are referring to (ie north america) cant even locate ukraine on the map. in fact the actual "most" of them dont even know the difference between ukrainians and russians. so when these people claim such things you have to realise that they probably hate ukrainians too.

No, I'm not claiming that most of the world is north America, and o don't care about your personal anecdotal evidence from a part of the world you live in where they happen to like Russia. I mean actual polling around the globe

Russia’s Global Image Negative amid Crisis in Ukraine

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Russia is broadly unpopular in many countries around the globe and increasingly disliked in Europe and the United States. Across the 44 countries surveyed, a median percentage of 43% have unfavorable opinions of Russia, compared with 34% who are positive. As has been the case in previous years, Russia is also unpopular with publics in the Middle East. More than half in most countries surveyed in the region have an unfavorable opinion of Russia, including seven-in-ten or more Jordanians, Turks and Egyptians. Russia is increasingly disliked in many Latin American countries, though the change has not been as dramatic as in the U.S. and Europe. And while, on balance, most publics hold negative views of Russia, substantial percentages have no opinion. More than four-in-ten in Brazil, Venezuela, Chile and Mexico give Russia unfavorable ratings.

So, sorry, but despite what your local friends think, Russia is hated by the world, and will probably be increasingly so as more evidence of their involvement in Eastern Ukraine continues to come out. Even more so if they keep brandishing their tactical nukes, threatening other Slavic neighbors, and supporting Syria and ISIS.
legendary
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September 24, 2014, 11:12:36 PM
Russia has not bombed its own nation to increase the control of its population with shitty patriot act,

Are you a 9/11 conspiratard?

russia had not start wars all over middle east, destabilizing every country they invade

They invaded Afghanistan, and screwed with Egypt, Iraq, Iran, and Syria. Of course they invaded the middle east. Half the problems US has in the middle East comes from cleaning up Russian shit (including Al Queda and 9/11 planes, which came from a group US armed to fight of Russian invasion).

Russia did not caused the global economy to collapse in 2008..

Because Russia's economy is tiny, and has been more or less stagnating for the last decade. Besides, America didn't cause the global economy collapse, either. Bankers of global international banks did, along with financial analysts who made really bad mistakes. The collapse didn't happen on purpose or with any malice, it was due a huge miscalculation of risk by a single insurance company Leahman Brothers, and everyone else wrongly assuming that LH calculated the risk right and had the money to cover their market bets. So, not only is Russia too small to cause that much of a wreck, and not only was this not caused by America, but the same mistake could easily have been made by a Russian bank as well.

You seem to have a short memory as to how oppressed people around the world are because of that western capitalism. Litterrally BILLIONS of people are dying

Literally billions? Like, all seven of those billions that exist on the planet?


people are dying in manufacturing camps (ie for you precious iphones), starving, or dont even have access to water

They're not dying of starvation. Companies where I phones are made provide their workers with housing, food, water, and clean working environment. They are dying of suicides due to boredom and feeling trapped. BEFORE these "manufacturing camps" got there, when China was communist and India was very socialist, THEN they were dying of starvation, since all they could do is be farmers or prostitutes. And the ones that don't have access to water are mostly in Africa, where Soviet Russia has had a TON of influence, creating people's revolutions and setting up socialist regimes. It's effects are still screwing Africa up. But it will get better once Capitalism gets there, like it's getting better in Kenya.

Stop bitching man they had it coming and im glad putin is standing in front of them, even if he has done some pretty nasty things before. Whatever, it cant be worse than what the west have done or is planning to do..

Do you like using the internet? Or Skype? Or Bitcoin? Do you like posting things and voicing your opinion? Do you like being able to voice your disapproval of government or its actions? The west has no issues with you doing those things. Russia, on the other hand, would like to either jail you, or send some thugs to beat some sense into you. Yes, it can be much worse.
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September 24, 2014, 04:55:02 PM
 Cool
legendary
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September 24, 2014, 02:58:34 PM
A lowly clerk from NATO sent a report to Reuters stating as is Russia iys pulling its West-imagined troops from Ukraine:
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140924/1025485537.html?rt
Looks like net will be NATO janitors sending out revealing SMSs.  Grin

In the meantime Poroshenko speaks something about Ukraine's security and one-sided demarcation of the border with Russia and closing of said border:
http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/51029

Well, Ukraine lost its sovereignty and security when it opened wide for NATO to penetrate it.



Russia calls for intl probe into Ukraine burials with signs of execution
http://rt.com/news/190228-mass-burial-discovered-ukraine/

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Russia is calling for an international investigation into the discovery of burial sites with signs of execution at locations where the Ukraine National Guard forces were stationed two days earlier.

This will get ignored by the "interNATOinal community".
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September 23, 2014, 06:38:15 PM


RECKONING TIME



Reality is hard, meanwhile, the Ukrainians will learn they just might have to face reality because it will chase them anyway... THEY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THEIR CRIMES



H17 crash: Families of German victims to sue Ukraine, says lawyer

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-crash-families-of-german-victims-to-sue-ukraine-says-lawyer-20140922-10k4ry.html#ixzz3EBQ9xyzV


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September 23, 2014, 06:06:19 PM






You're taking Peggy.. oops, Pagan too seriously. He's just jealous of the girls-  they are pretty. Besides, they are real girls.  Cheesy

Let's be charitable to the other side. Ukraine lost in the battle field, now it is imploding economically.Politically it's over, it's just a matter of how the US agents running the lost war can save face out of their obvious defeat (but reality is dawning anyway). WE can't help it if their trolls are becoming desperate too as they themselves can feel the walls of delusion crumbling down. Their now irrational propaganda is symptomatic of their accelerating collapse. I just hope they weren't made insane yet. Kids, it is not worth becoming insane with this one, anybody with half cup of brain could have foreseen the result anyway. It was a delusion right from the start

Let's be magnanimous to the losers. If they are living in Ukraine, for all we know, they will suddenly become Russians again shortly anyway. Wink

Reality is hard, meanwhile, the Ukrainians will learn they just might have to face reality because it will chase them anyway... THEY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THEIR CRIMES


H17 crash: Families of German victims to sue Ukraine, says lawyer


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-crash-families-of-german-victims-to-sue-ukraine-says-lawyer-20140922-10k4ry.html#ixzz3EBQ9xyzV





GOOD TIMES FOR INVESTMENTS IN CRIMEA & other choice spots of Russia: PREVIEW OF CRIMEA'S KERCH BRIDGE WHICH JOINS IT

WITH RUSSIAN SOUTH MAINLAND


I am planning investments on Crimea & Vladivostok.

 Western propaganda is not simple backbiting against their enemies. There is a actually profit motive component to their extra-democratic interventions in other countries: to depress the price of a region they are interested to swoop as vultures in so they can cash in when the price inevitably climbs up in time. But it's the sign of the times even this type of propaganda has been lost by the West forever, everybody knows they are useless with Crimea (or in any part of Russian sphere for that matter). Take Crimea. The Western propaganda was precisely to dampen investment on Crimea, but there are no longer many dumb people left. Now that Crimea is part of Russia, it's plain common sense that Russian money will drive in so values are skyrocketing fast (after all, it was Russian money which drove up high-end real estate prices in New York & London). The Russian military just announced building 70,000 units for its
military, and even Ukrainian real estate companies have branches that registered in Crimea itself to avail of the bonanza (in effect, recognizing Crimea as part of Russia). The most frustrating part is that the luxury beach segment is really very hot nowadays, every Russian wants to have his own beach hideaway, becoming expensive fast.

The Ukrainian poverty and dilapidation are clearly forgotten..

Good times are obviously ahead for Crimea. Infrastructures galore. WE can get a preview of the Kerch bridge by looking at this bridge in Russky Island, Vladivostok, the longest suspension bridge in the world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGYdqSFuwV0


Vladivostok, one of the most beautiful cities in the world


In Vladivostok, the three countries with the highest cash reserves meet- the largest is China, Japan then Russia. We're talking of cash here, not debts, which those in the EU and across to the US have plenty of, actually they are drowning!       Cheesy

More on Vladivostok. THis is taken on Russky Island just at the outskirts of Vladivostok center. THis is the site of the Far Eastern Federal U where this clip was taken. You can see the long suspension bridge here. But there's another suspension bridge, which I like better, the one at downtown but not seen here in this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFNNxL5C39M

Again, I'm not Russian. Like most of the world, I am now a fan of the Russians because they had the gall to fight the bankrupt Western powers. They are very hot now despite the WEstern propaganda press which nobody reads anyway (frankly, nobody cares about bankrupts, especially if they pretend they are not     Cheesy ).  I travel a lot though, & I've seen Russia first-hand, like most of the world, btw...

Crimea & Vladivostok, two places of breathless growth as nervous funds flee from the crumbling pretenses of the bankrupt West...

legendary
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September 23, 2014, 11:37:37 AM
Donetsk and Lugansk Peoples' Republics will not be taking part in the parliamentary elections into Ukrainian Rada as Ukraine lost any authority over the regions after the atrocities committed there and is considered by the population to be a foreign state.

Current official number of civilan victims, counted only from air raids and artillery shelling is 4000 people. This number is likely to go much higher up as mass graves with tortured and killed locals are uncovered on territories liberated from US-backed Kiev forces.
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September 23, 2014, 10:25:03 AM
#Russia|n #Novorossiya fighter Danilov shows off stolen #MH17 'trophies' inc kids designer jackets v @ZhidoBandera

Source: http://photo.freejournal.biz/article5113/index.html

how often do you use airline companies? if you do then how often do you see ceramic cups in airplanes? could that photo be photoshoped on white background? the fact that you posting it here - does that make you come across as an adequate individual?

go back to my ignore list/
legendary
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September 23, 2014, 08:22:26 AM
@Morbid: Thank you for your passionate statement.
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September 23, 2014, 06:02:02 AM
#Russia|n #Novorossiya fighter Danilov shows off stolen #MH17 'trophies' inc kids designer jackets v @ZhidoBandera







Source: http://photo.freejournal.biz/article5113/index.html



legendary
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September 23, 2014, 02:19:18 AM
ohh and by the way. here is the official donations page for people of donbass. they accept bitcoin:
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legendary
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September 23, 2014, 02:13:23 AM
Most of the world hates Russia. Want me to post the evidence again? I noticed you keep repeating the same things and the same lies over and over again. Either your masters are late on your last payment, and you are putting in the bare minimum of effort to shill and spread Kremlin propaganda until your check clears, or else you are simply following the words of your soviet hero, "A lie told often enough becomes the truth."  - Vladimir Lenin

 to be honest this is extremely arrogant thing to say. i dont care who you are or what you've achieved in your lifetime but having such biased remarks do not put you in better light. in fact it actually draws a clear image of nation that you tend to represent, even though you are brought up on western values. by saying "most of the world" you forget the fact that the actual "most" of the population is in china and india. i live in place where there alot of nationals from all over the world. those who actually come from china and india and not the ones born in north america respect russians for the history and how much they managed to achieve. coming from asia, most can refer to engineering sector, military equipment, science etc. intellectuals mention music, art, balley. ohh and by the way actual ukranian people are too huge contributors to these achievements, prestige and status of russian empire as well as ussr.

 my neighbour is a musician from congo, he travels all over africa playing world music. he absolutely loves russians, in fact he claims that people in most african countries that are having corrupt "democratically elected" presidents (who are placed there by western bankers) cant wait for russia to become strong again like in 50-80s to kick those parasites out. most africans still remember the times it was actually going more or less well - bridges, power plants, dams, infrastructure etc were being built then that is still somehow is functioning until today with very little maintenance. i have a russian mate who travels central africa investing and doing business there. he told me that the police and local cartels never touch them unlike western officials who they call leeches.

 most iranian and syrian people i met speak highly of russia claiming that they would not exist if not their northern ally. my eye surgeon in moscow who also teach in university is syrian who came to study and stayed. when i been to south armenia there were plenty of iranian tourists and they respect russia for its place in history.

 i have a cuban neighbour too by the way. this guy shakes my hand very hard and saying few russian words every time he sees me - and im not even russian national, i was just born there. do you even know what it feels like to be respected like that just for sharing such identity? it feels good. although i cant claim any responsibility for how russian history turned out to be - for good or for worse. at the end of the day when people notice that russia is becoming stronger day by day i feel more respect being drawn towards me while being surrounded by the international community.

 - this is the identity that your "democratically elected" leaders are trying to detach ukrainians from. can you blame those who refuse to be detached from the russian identity? a country is not a prison - you cant force people to live there against their will. the only thing that glues any country together is identity. once you make segregation watch pieces fall off. 'divide and concur' comes to mind, no? 100 years ago ukraine as such didnt exist. those who designed ukrainian state to be the way it is are doing so merely to bite off a piece off russian zone of influence. but its fine. if you dont relate to russian culture anymore you can go, but please dont force those who still wish to be part of russian culture to become something they are not. please understand that.

 now if you claim that "most of the world" hates russia then ill have to upset you. the "most" part that you are referring to (ie north america) cant even locate ukraine on the map. in fact the actual "most" of them dont even know the difference between ukrainians and russians. so when these people claim such things you have to realise that they probably hate ukrainians too.

most of the world?! you mean EU+US at the very best, with their dirty media consortiums that are brainwashing the western population..
vs what?! South America, Africa and Asia... sounds balanced yea lol keep dreaming and think you are the center of the world.. muricaaaa Grin
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