Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 161. (Read 734937 times)

Don't forget that Dmytro Yarosh got 0.7% of the vote in Ukraine, and is opposed by the majority of Ukrainians, thus is very unlikely to be supported by the currently ruling party in Ukraine. And if the government supports him or his ideas in any way, Ukrainians have already demonstrated their ability to kick out corrupt politicians at least twice.

So, Stalin was really just a nice man who was forced to commit genocide to save his people from the globalist banksters?



Get well soon!

I would discuss the economics, but hey, when mass murder is necessary because "The 17 Terrorist Bloodlines"...

You're both being naive and greedy. Typical situation regarding national resources: when farmers 'own' the land, it usually only means the top-soil. If oil, gas or other resources are discovered underneath, foreign investors are likely to have plenty of legal means to mine the land, while providing only minimal compensation to the farmers or villages. There might be some local investment, access roads and other infrastructure, or a few local jobs, but that is only a tiny fraction compared to the profit that the investors get from the resource.

Although it's completely normal for investors to seek out opportunities to capture as much wealth as they can, in this case the towns have obvious economic incentives to remain part of the Ukraine:
1) Kiev is physically closer on the map.
2) Ukraine is much smaller than Russia, so the same town is a larger proportion of the whole country. Local leaders would have more political influence, and less likely to have their needs ignored.
3) Moscow's economic policy is strongly anti-EU, while Kiev has been trying to increase trade with the EU.

Russia's only hope of providing a better deal would be as part of a propaganda show, where they simply shower the towns with redistributed money to convince the locals that they made the right decision to join Russia. But before that happens, Russia keeps sending plain-clothes rebels to show them how dangerous and unstable the "Kiev Junta" is.

The latest developments from Donbass region:

1. The Ukrainian army seems to be advancing towards Yenakievo, in an attempt to encircle the NAF positions in the city of Gorlovka.

2. The NAF claims that they have captured nine Cougar armoured vehicles developed by Canadian Streit Group near the village of Telmanovo.

3. NAF retakes the village of Komsomolskoye.

I read the article (and the comments to it), and if that part about the regular Russian army units carrying military operations in Ukraine is not fake, the commanders should bear full responsibility for this...

16 august 2008

Crimes of Ukrainian Aidar battalion confirmed in Amnesty Int’l report - Russia
http://rt.com/news/186576-ukraine-battalion-war-crimes/


Well, I guess Russia will seen be publishing the third volume of the White Book:
http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/ns-dgpch.nsf/03c344d01162d351442579510044415b/38fa8597760acc2144257ccf002beeb8!OpenDocument

That article is mentioned in video. Here is a direct link to it - http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/65075.html

The NAF has retreated from the village of Chervonepole, thereby lifting the siege of Mariupol. I just hope that the Kiev junta does not use this opportunity to move more troops and hardware to that city. At the same time there was some fighting in Mariupol, as an APC column from the Ukrainian army tried to advance to the rebel held positions.

An interesting read in the Foreign Affairs journal:
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141769/john-j-mearsheimer/why-the-ukraine-crisis-is-the-wests-fault
Might be an opinion-preparatory prelude to a change in US stance towards Ukraine.

What article are you talking about? Could you please provide a link?

Not all Russians believe propaganda.

Here is an example of one guy who thought that an article in internet is anti-Russia propaganda. He didn't believe that there are Russian soldiers dieing in Ukraine. He took his car (not a bad one by the way ), drove around 100 km to the place where buried Russian soldier lived. And unfortunately he realized that his government lies, but not the author of that article  .

Here is VIDEO:
http://youtu.be/Fq-sX2FhFwQ

I hope that this man won't be killed soon for making this video.

Some humour relief from real life (I haven't verified it...):

Well-said. Completely agree on Odessa. When I visited it a couple of years ago, after almost 20 years of absence from that once-beautiful city, it was with a sense of sadness.

By the way. The logic of Ukraine, still being a part of Russia as Russia never voted for its separation in neither in 1917, nor in 1992, can be expanded to Finland. Lenin separated Finland from Russia personally, without consulting the nation. Interestingly, Finland chose as their national flag a derivative of the standard of the Peter's Sailing Union, so Finland still has close ties to Russia through its flag.

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Polio epidemic fears as Ukraine’s vaccine stockpiles dry up
http://rt.com/news/186552-ukraine-polio-epidemic-vaccines/

Well this is like saying that "John doesnt like to get up early cause i havent seen him outside till 12pm although i myself have never been outside untill 12pm".... in other words - nonsence and absolute propaganda. In fact it sounds like something that a 13 year old wrote without doing some reasearch into what he is writing about

Brilliant propaganda. Starts with a bold statement, then tries to prove it by talking about non-related stuff. Suggesting that media in any way relates to truth is naive at best.
There's strong propaganda, but in no way you can draw a conclusion that "in today’s Russia, the idea of truth is irrelevant". The idea of truth doesn't have anything to do with media and propaganda.

As I got it, these are not bitcoin ATMs per se, but just ordinary ATMs which allow you to buy BTC (just like you make everyday money transfers through them). Don't know if this will interest you, but the exchange rate at btcu.biz is 7360.42 UAH for one bitcoin at the moment, which is 15.17 UAH for one dollar (7360.42/485=15.17). The official exchange rate as of yesterday was at 12.9261 UAH for one dollar (index.minfin.com.ua/exch/?nbu), so the bitcoins are sold with a premium of 17.35% ((15.17-12.9261)/12.9261*100=17.35) over the official rate...

Brilliant article:

Russia and the Menace of Unreality

In today’s Russia, by contrast, the idea of truth is irrelevant. On Russian ‘news’ broadcasts, the borders between fact and fiction have become utterly blurred. Russian current-affairs programs feature apparent actors posing as refugees from eastern Ukraine, crying for the cameras about invented threats from imagined fascist gangs. During one Russian news broadcast, a woman related how Ukrainian nationalists had crucified a child in the eastern Ukrainian city of Sloviansk. When Alexei Volin, Russia’s deputy minister of communications, was confronted with the fact that the crucifixion story was a fabrication, he showed no embarrassment, instead suggesting that all that mattered were ratings. “The public likes how our main TV channels present material, the tone of our programs,” he said. “The share of viewers for news programs on Russian TV has doubled over the last two months.” The Kremlin tells its stories well, having mastered the mixture of authoritarianism and entertainment culture. The notion of ‘journalism,’ in the sense of reporting ‘facts’ or ‘truth,’ has been wiped out. In a lecture last year to journalism students at Moscow State University, Volin suggested that students forget about making the world a better place. “We should give students a clear understanding: They are going to work for The Man, and The Man will tell them what to write, what not to write, and how this or that thing should be written,” he said. “And The Man has the right to do it, because he pays them.”

The point of this new propaganda is not to persuade anyone, but to keep the viewer hooked and distracted—to disrupt Western narratives rather than provide a counternarrative. It is the perfect genre for conspiracy theories, which are all over Russian TV. When the Kremlin and its affiliated media outlets spat out outlandish stories about the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over eastern Ukraine in July—reports that characterized the crash as everything from an assault by Ukrainian fighter jets following U.S. instructions, to an attempted NATO attack on Putin’s private jet—they were trying not so much to convince viewers of any one version of events, but rather to leave them confused, paranoid, and passive—living in a Kremlin-controlled virtual reality that can no longer be mediated or debated by any appeal to ‘truth.’

http://m.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/

OSCE does not claim that UN also, no one claims that