Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 156. (Read 734937 times)

But you said Mariupol majority are anti-Kiev? Sure, they wouldn't have as many weapons as Ukraine army until Russia arms them, but shouldn't the rebels have been in Mariupol to begin with? It's a rebel city if majority are already anti-Kiev. Why were they sitting around doing nothing, waiting for some OTHER rebels to come to them? And where did those other rebels get their weapons? All of this doesn't make any sense, unless you look at it from the point of "rebels want to TAKE OVER Mariupol," which they didn't hold control of due to it not supporting rebels before.


Are you you sure about that? http://hrw.org/news/2014/08/28/ukraine-rebel-forces-detain-torture-civilians


According to the ACTUAL UN, and not the one made up by Russia,  "The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, also known as the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR), says that more than 168,000 people crossed the border from Ukraine into Russia." Not quite the 900,000 you said. Don't forget that just this Spring Russia published tons of news about 670,000 Ukrainian refugees crossing into Russia BEFORE the fighting even started, with the reason being "they were afraid of the far-right fascist government," and for proof posted pictures of Ukrainians crossing a border that was later revealed to actually be the Polish border. No such mass migrations of Ukrainians were ever found or proven, but the 6700,000 number stuck, and seems to have been growing. By the end of the year, it may even be 5,000,000.



I'm sure you misspoke or confused something here, because there are 45.49 million people in Ukraine. Even if 900,000 of them left, that's only 2% of Ukrainians, not 85%.

About time! Ukraine has turned away from them months ago, shortly after Maidan protests when they were publicly derided, and during national elections when they were humiliated at the polls. Glad the rest of Europe is catching up.

Are you sure? I'd love to hear more about your high IQ, and your vast knowledge of trolling, and about how super duper important you are. Please! Keep enlightening us? It's so... USEFUL!

lol what a bunch of horse-shit

Last time I checked, bitcoin was not a platform to spread "western-style capitalism" wtf??? lol

The last thing this fuckin' world needs is more "western-style capitalism" for real. What we are seeing happen in Ukraine right now, is a perfect example of "western-style capitalism" - Namely the Trillions of $ worth of shale gas underneath Donbass, BRICS attempting to end  the US dollar hegemony, which are the real reasons behind why this is happening. The US State department spent 5 billion dollars funding the coup in Ukraine in support of this "western-style capitalism" and they did the same thing in Libya when Gaddhafi tried  to return to the gold standard.

God forbid the IMF have any competition. God forbid that the US dollar steps down from its status as the world reserve currency.  Better start a coup in ukraine and try to destabilize Russia.

Get off your high horse Rassah.

This is a bitcoin forum where people tend to intelligently discuss the truth behind matters. Not cling to some vain sense of anti-russian BS sentiment.

The fact of the matter is, whether you want to admit it or not, Russia is one of the only countries in the entire WORLD that is willing to stand up against western imperialist aggression and their endless sabotage of the governments of other countries. For this, I greatly respect Putin. He is a man of integrity, unlike the puppets over here in the west.

When Amnesty International has to make a statement like this, one can only wonder what else they did not tell and what are the true proportions of the Kiev's criminal aggression on their own citizens:

Well said, Rassah.

#FUCKRUSSIANNAZIS

Cleaning the traces of unwanted person has nothing to do with dirt or nazis. It's just a part of ancient slavic superstitions. According to ancient slavic religions, cleaning of the traces of person makes sure that this person won't come back because the gods will prevent him from doing so.

Congratulations with confirmation of your own stupidity and myopia once again.

Mobilization ad from Motorola squad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9_iK91xbPVg

http://www.undercurrentnews.com/2014/08/19/chilean-salmon-sellers-trial-air-freight-shipments-to-russia-as-prices-rise-every-day/

There aren't reports (that I am aware of) about massive exodus from Mariupol. Like, for example, in Donetsk, Gorlivka or Luhansk who were besieged by Ukrainian forces, cut off from electricity, water, food and medical supplies, and put under the constant artillery barrage.

There are many anti-Maidan activists, yes, but they are poorly armed. Ukrainian army is one of the best equipped European armies and their stocks are huge. Rebels are much stronger than they were in May or June, but still they are nowhere near the Kiev's forces.

I suppose they would become 'silent minority'. Except for some unfortunate but isolated accidents, there hasn't been anything like organized campaign aimed at the large-scale indimidation or ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians loyal to Kiev in neither DNR or LNR. On the other side... well, let's just remember that -according to UN- almost 900.000 Ukrainian citizens are refugees in Russia, that's about 80-85% of all people in Ukraine who were forced to leave their homes and run for safety.

may have turned to the idea of ​​Uncle Putin's right?
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as if you did not know this greeting you with Polish
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You yourself said previously that orders are prepaid, lol

So it all boils down to how saturated the food market is. AFAIK, that of diary products has a lot of unused production capacities (not sure about meat, though). And I have to repeat, Putin and his economic advisers are not fools, and their hands are free in choosing what food imports to ban without wreaking havoc unto themselves...

That's just a normal part of seeking an equilibrium price point.

Conversely, a producer of widgets in Brazil finds that their inventory has suddenly been depleted, suggesting that some additional demand has appeared on the market (Russian buyers). They cannot suddenly increase their production capacity while offering the same price, no matter how generous they are. They increase their asking price, seeking a new equilibrium. The higher price makes it easier for new competitors to enter the market and start selling widgets, even if these new competitors start with a less efficient process. Similarly, the producer could invest in more production lines.

Apart from some economies of scale (the producer increased production, but still have only one accounting department) there is little to suggest that technological improvements are likely to occur in the short-term. It's possible that a smart business convert profits into R&D costs to reduce tax, but that's a long-term investment.

I read a couple of days ago that Norwegian journalists did a documentary on the "Heroes of Ukraine", Azov and other groups, bearing swastikas and Nazi SS symbols. The documentary was subsequently shown on the German ZDF channel. It looks like Europe is making a very slow, but still noticeable turn away from the untra-nationalists in Ukraine, while still making token consolatory nods towards the American line of support of the US-installed Nazi regime in Ukraine by mumbling something about sanctions.

If you, as a producer, have free productive capacities, you may even lower prices to increase demand so as to employ these production capacities at full (this will let you earn more through volume despite lower prices). Weren't you talking about this in the first half of your post (about economies of scale and decreased efficiency due to declining demand)?

The lesson to take home: prices begin increasing only after all production capacities are fully employed (otherwise potential profits are diminished)...

I don't care if other people (nations) love to wash their dirty linen in public (that was the essence of your post about Westerners accusing their governments on forums). It ain't my business, though I don't think this makes them much honor...

Because if there's less demand for their products, they would need to reduce the amount of production. Economies of scale. Basic economics.

Why are you assuming the goods are "currently produced" if there are not enough customers? Some products are made after the order is placed. If the number of orders per week or month has decreased, but the number of employees and the factory building has stayed the same, then the overhead goes up per-unit. Decreased efficiency. Therefore, there is pressure to make changes, such as relocating.

WTF?
Here's some ABC economics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

Of course, that model is simplistic, and static, but it demonstrates how opportunism affects prices.

Have you considered that this feeling of Russian pride is just nationalism? And Asian-style "saving face"? Or that people of other nationalities also tend to have it, but directed at their own country instead of Russia?

If someone has misunderstood something here, it is you. The reduced exports would not make Europeans factories less efficient. I'm curious where you got that part from? They would have to search for new markets, not ways to increase there productivity. How will this new efficiency help them if they can't sell even currently produced goods?

Regarding Brazil and the prices soaring you again don't understand the whole thing. Prices increase only when all productive capacities are employed (ABC economics) which is not the case in respect to food market (and even more in regard to its sector affected by Russian sanctions). Just don't think that Putin and his economic advisers don't know what they are doing...