Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 19. (Read 734910 times)

Well, it isnt really rocket science. After all the Russians watched for a long time psychotic crap voted into office by morons turn everything they meddled with around the world into horse manure. So, Ukraine would be eminently predictable once the mob crap got around to that. The Russians almost certainly had their helping hand as events developed there end 2013, beginning 2014. Their agents have been all over the Ukrainian system. Everything has benefited them especially the just perfect opportunity to bring back in the fold their beloved and hugely strategically important Crimea. They are bears as sly as foxes. Never ever underestimate them.

Why did Russia give Ukraine a bunch of their tanks within the last decade, only for Donetsk Republican Army to steal them later?

i.e. why is Donetsk riding around on Russian tanks?

Well, the Ukrainian so called military has given up quite a lot. Maybe you haven´t been following the news much for the past year. Try googling the debaltsevo cauldron. It´ll then lead you to other similar things.

Wait, what? Where did the completely independent and totally not being helped by Russia trust us Donetsk get 40 tanks and 80 armed transports?!

It´s mob property so it´s in NATO for all practical purposes.

So, I wonder what´s up with the Volkssturm offensive that Pornoshenko and the wannabe Himmlers have talked so much about since they got their asses handed to them last winter. Summer is burning away and for a largely useless military force a winter campaign is worse than pointless I guess.

The Donetsk Republican Army pulled over 40 tanks and 80 armed transports from the front line, and are awaiting that Kiev should do likewise. LAND has already completed the retraction process:
http://news.rambler.ru/world/30813824/?track=news_othernews

While OCSE does not want to count this movement of armoured vehicles away from the border for retraction, lacking specific details:
http://ria.ru/world/20150720/1138704608.html

Ukrainians want to conduct artillery exercises near Mariupol:
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/07/20/n_7392361.shtml

Will it be exercises or "exercises"?

18 NATO countries participate in joint manoeuvres in Lvov oblast:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2130944

Didn't know Ukraine was in NATO... 

Before that (last week) NATO paid visit to Moldova. Just in case, so that Moldovans don't forget who their masters are...

DNR one-sidedly pulls back heavy weapons from the front line. Kiev and West don't comment.

Well, USA does the opposite. A new batch of military hardware was just delivered to Ukraine.

LNR will conduct elections of the 1st of November. International observers are welcome.
http://ria.ru/world/20150718/1135772353.html
But would the West want to do anything with democracy?

After all, the West is not that happy with freedom of speech and does everything to block it.
Kiseljov's (the Russian journalist and host of the program "News of the Week", who is under US/EU sanctions for journalism) account on Facebook was banned after 3 hours of its existence, while a number of fake "Kiseljov" accounts, pretending to be from him keep on functioning:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2642655&cid=7

Yeah, it´s a mob garbage dumpster. Psychopath Tony Bliar is in some mob advisory council to the mob-installed crap in charge. He used to advise Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan Nazarbayev, another spaceshot.. Maybe Baby Bush will end up as a viceroy of some district there. We´ll see.

The following is highly indicative and fateful. It really shows who's who, and there all kinds of excrements tend to float up.

Daughter of Egor Gaidar - the "reformer" who during the Wild 90's facilitated the wholesale looting and destruction of Russian economy - Maria Gaidar, is now vice-governor of Odessa county. Her credentials: just like her mentor - Saakashvili, who appointed her - studied at a Western university - Harvard, which turned her into a perfect Manchurian Candidate.

She now applied for Ukrainian citizenship.

http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2015/07/17/n_7385749.shtml

Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine's parliament took the first step Thursday toward granting temporary self-rule to pro-Russian rebels under a change to the constitution the West hopes can end one of Europe's deadliest wars in recent years.

The divisive issue came to the floor on the day lawmakers also backed several belt-tightening measures needed for the quick release of a $5-billion (4.6-billion-euro) IMF payment that could spare cash-strapped Kiev from slipping into default.

The sudden flurry of activity led visiting US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland to call Thursday "yet another historic day" in a war-torn country that has seen 6,500 people killed since the overthrow of its Russian-backed leadership in February 2014.

Nuland will meet Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko later on Thursday to reassure him of Washington's backing and continued focus on the government's 15-month fight against separatists in the shattered industrial east. .....

A right sector coup can happen anytime now. Although they have the support of only around 20% of the general population, a majority of the younger Ukrainians (especially in the West) supports them. Also, their supporters are armed and have battle experience from the recent Donbass fighting. IMO, Porky's days are numbered.

Like I said earlier; Insane McCain was over there a couple weeks ago or so conferring with his fellow lunatic nazi pals. So, there´s most likely a connection there to this unrest. Of course the Russians play this nazi crap like a fiddle and had it infiltrated long ago.

Right Sector are already threatening Poroshenko with extermination, saying that he'll not be able to flee the country:
http://ria.ru/world/20150715/1130129694.html

They can kill each other off, for all I care. But the rest should be tried at an International Tribunal!

I don't know if the following "passionate" speech of Poroshenko of what expects "them as in Donbass" was ever translated to English and aired in Western MSM. Here's my approximate translation, Balthazar can probably verify and correct it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhNDdMulik&feature=player_detailpage#t=3480


The above alone should be enough to put Poroshenko behind bars!

During the Ukro-Nazi operation against Donbass, hundreds of schools and kindergartens have been erased from the face of the earth, tens of hospitals, and many thousands of houses have been destroyed by artillery fire

Hmm, sounds promising. Finally maybe this crap can be of some productive use, bumping off each other...

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Right Sector: coup is coming

Last week, before the Mukacheve incident, VOA asked Right Sector spokesman Artem Skoropadsky to comment on the group's rhetoric and possible future course of action.

"If there's a new revolution, Ukraine's President Poroshenko and his teammates won't be able to make it out of the country the way the previous president [pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych] did," Skoropadsky told VOA. "They can't expect anything other than an execution in some dark vault, carried out by a group of young officers of Ukraine's army and National Guard."

http://www.voanews.com/content/ukraine-nationalists-say-country-headed-for-coup/2860024.html

Hmm, I see your point, but through a different source (I'm largely distrustful of Wikipedia when it comes to politically-charged topics).

I went to an English-language source from 1899 which seems to be fairly objective in describing the issue:

http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/25th-march-1899/5/the-russification-of-finland

And reading that article, only 18 years before the colour revolutions of 1917, I can see indicators to some internal power struggle within Russia, and possibly, what you'd call today NGOs - that day elites wishing more power for themselves, and less for the Czar, setting up a situation that would lead to unrest or that can be used to create unrest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Finland

I wonder if you are repeating one of those myths that were propagated in Finland after Lenin gave it independence and prior to it being used as a pawn by Germany. Because the period that you are talking about is when Finland had its own Senate and its own currency. Once I mentioned Lenin - his act was an act of "thank you" to Finns for giving him shelter from prosecution of the Russian authorities for his state-destructive activities. Much like Khodorkivskij/Gusinskij is finding shelter in Germany and GB today. If Finland wasn't a de-facto independent state, it would not have been able to keep Lenin from the Russian Empire's reach.

True for the most part.
Except towards the end, when Russia started to push more
panslavic policy towards Finland than before.


The question of Karelia was never about re-conquest. It was home to about 45 000
Finns, all who had to leave everything behind them. So naturally many of them still
kept alive the hope of sometime returning. Up to 1990's there was some kind of possibility
of that via peaceful negotiation, but I think that dream is now largely gone.

The area is now mostly inhabited by Russians and in very bad shape, so it would be
just too difficult to rebuild and re-settle.

Several materials from Ukraine, Odessa and Donbass in yesterday's edition of the "News of the Week" with Kisiljov (a journalist, who is under Western sanctions for journalism)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhNDdMulik

Heads of DNR address UN to start an international tribunal to try the Kiev coup authorities for their crimes against humanity. As you all know, Kiev passed a law, saying that human rights don't apply to Donbass and people there have no Constitutional rights. The heaps of evidence of Kiev's crimes are mounting - there is a thick binder for EACH DAY of the past year, containing testimonials and documents:

Watch below. There are some strong imagery there. Some parallels to a similar genocide in Rwanda and the trials of the tops from that country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhNDdMulik&feature=player_detailpage#t=3415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhNDdMulik&feature=player_detailpage#t=3607

An interview with a human rights activist explaining the suffering the "POWs" underwent in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhNDdMulik&feature=player_detailpage#t=3852

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And aside. Facebook bans people and censors posts, containing the word "hohol" (a non-derisive term for Ukrainians, also meaning crest and a certain hairstyle.) Many people have surname Hohlov, there is a square, called Hohlovskaja, Pushkin mentions "hohol" in his poems. Interestingly, Facebook allows "moskal" and "kacap" - derisive terms used by Ukrainians for Russians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhNDdMulik&feature=player_detailpage#t=4436

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From Odessa. Saakashvili is on the official payroll of Washington, getting a salary of $198000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhNDdMulik&feature=player_detailpage#t=2521



His primary goals are threefold: 1) Sell three Odessa ports to Americans on the cheap, ensuring a NATO base there (something USA failed to do in Sevastopol, so they targeted another Russian city); 2) Reignite the conflict in Pridniestrovie; 3) Repress any mutiny in Odessa.

Jeffry Piett, US ambassador to Ukraine, announced about it last Monday, from a lawn in Odessa, saying that Odeassa will become a "laboratory for the USA"

Another Georgian, now a citizen of Ukraine, Guladze is working on creation of National Police in Ukraine. Guladze is accused in Georgia of violations of human rights and of use of violence against a peaceful demonstration - something that USA usually screech about, when it suits them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhNDdMulik&feature=player_detailpage#t=3131

All Ukrainian soldiers must learn and speak English! Why? Because American generals drill them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhNDdMulik&feature=player_detailpage#t=3278

At least some Odessites are protesting with the typical Odessan humour. Just check out the following frame:

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And a report about USAid/Soros disruptive NGOs undermining Russia, and how "Maidans" are organised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhNDdMulik&feature=player_detailpage#t=4661

A todo list (images from a French 2007 documentary "Revolution.com or USA-  conquering of the East"):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhNDdMulik&feature=player_detailpage#t=5182

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hkp-jgimaQ

I was right about her, she's just another populist prostitute.